Dr. Teresa Sievers - LE Statements and Interviews

  • #21
Updated:
Again, we start the investigation from that 911 call, from our initial deputy on scene and to literally, the avalanche of people that responded subsequent from that and we moved from there, methodically, slow and steady, as the evidence takes us. It took us to Jimmy Ray Rodgers, and Curtis Wayne Wright and taken us elsewhere in areas and directions that I can't discuss.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the car (but isn't it a Chevy pickup truck ?) that has been questioned and driven away by detectives an Avalanche.. And commenting by sherriff is an *avalanche* of .....( different mainstream media have different words following this)

:thinking:

Using talk to text with lots of grammar errors !
 
  • #22
People called in to LE and told them things?
I believe so. I remember the sheriff talking about all the "tips" LE was receiving.
 
  • #23
Updated:
Again, we start the investigation from that 911 call, from our initial deputy on scene and to literally, the avalanche of people that responded subsequent from that and we moved from there, methodically, slow and steady, as the evidence takes us. It took us to Jimmy Ray Rodgers, and Curtis Wayne Wright and taken us elsewhere in areas and directions that I can't discuss.

Did Sheriff Scott mean avalanche of LE/EMS responders or media or people/witnesses/family members who responded with tips? Remember... NO ONE ever made a public plea (other than general one from LE) asking for information on who was responsible for this crime...almost as if people close to the case (including AL) knew from the beginning, or had a very good idea of who the perp(s) were.
 
  • #24
Did Sheriff Scott mean avalanche of LE/EMS responders or media or people/witnesses/family members who responded with tips? Remember... NO ONE ever made a public plea (other than general one from LE) asking for information on who was responsible for this crime...almost as if people close to the case (including AL) knew from the beginning, or had a very good idea of who the perp(s) were.

I took it to mean an avalanche of information, tips, etc
 
  • #25
The Sheriff didn't say other, the word was elsewhere. I apologize for agreeing to the transcript being published incomplete. I've updated it for this sentence and updated relay's post to reflect that the word "other" was never said.

Here is the corrected version, and to me is does not as strongly suggest but still suggests one or more in addition to CWW and JR may be involved.

"It took us to Jimmy Ray Rodgers, and Curtis Wayne Wright and taken us elsewhere in areas and directions that I can't discuss.
it is our goal to leave no stone unturned."
 
  • #26
I took it to mean an avalanche of information, tips, etc

Agreed...others seemed to think he meant responders to the scene. There were many responders, including the cadets who combed the area but imo he was referring to people providing tips related to the investigation. "Avalanche" was likely meant to elicit a reaction from someone who knows.
 
  • #27
I posted this on the CWW thread earlier today, and realized I should of posted it on this one instead.

All weekend I have been thinking about the statement made by the Sherriff. I am paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact words. He said that TS has done no wrong. I believe he knows this for a fact, since they have been very careful not to eliminate anyone. It makes me think that her murder has nothing to do with the doctor office including the office computer. I do think there is a big illegal operation involved, but I think it was done through one or all of the other businesses set up in MS's name.
It seems like CWW, and JR are not talking to LE, and it would not surprise me if MS isn't talking to them either so if the computer or office were involved in illegal activity how could the sheriff know TS was not involved?
Please understand I do not believe TS was involved in anything illegal. With the sheriff's statement I now don't think anyone used her business, or office computer for anything illegal, because to me if they had the Sherriff would not be able to say anyone with access was cleared. IMO, and I hope it makes sense.
 
  • #28
Or, they think CWW was possibly involved and as LE does sometimes so as not to jeopardize an investigation they may be holding back at least for now. IIRC, CWW was a POI in the Bolin missing persons case years ago when Mr. Bolin disappeared. Forensics has come a long way in 19 years, and LE may actually have albeit, it would be bittersweet, bargaining chip for CWW to give up the details regarding TS's murder. For example, if they can build a substantial enough case against CWW regarding Mr. Bolin, they may make a deal for CWW to tell where his body and tell all he knows about the person behind Dr. TS's murder, if there is someone, in exchange for leniency in both cases. I have speculated from early on as many of us here have, that someone else may be the ring leader regarding TS's murder, and this statement from SMS pretty much clinches it for me. When SMS was speaking about other prior pertinent crimes he followed it with where the evidence in this case led them. This is from Tricia's interview with Sheriff Mike Scott.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rview-with-Sheriff-Mike-Scott-Thank-you-KateB

"I would certainly not say that no other charges in florida or elsewhere, specifically Missouri. That's where they live. Could possibly result from this.

Again, we start the investigation from that 911 call, from our initial deputy on scene and to literally, the avalanche of people that responded subsequent from that and we moved from there, methodically, slow and steady, as the evidence takes us. It took us to Jimmy Ray Rodgers, and Curtis Wayne Wright and taken us elsewhere in areas and directions that I can't discuss.
it is our goal to leave no stone unturned."

In reference to CWW & Ronnie Bolin...Sheriff Scott replied to a question about the investigation of the muder of TS leading to the discovery of other possible crimes. He said (paraphrasing) that people convicted of crimes may have a proclivity to commit crimes and that he could not rule this out in this case. Nor could he rule out additional charges in MO. Additionally he specifically mentioned something along the lines that evidence discovered in a case can lead to cold case resolution particularly with the advances in DNA and forensic evidence analysis. Seems this was a "hint" about the Bolin case and possibly other cold cases in which CWW could be implicated.
 
  • #29
I m wondering because the sheriff said the arrests were planned weeks before.To me,from the death to the arrest just does not seem that long re planned weeks before.

Plus, the LE thought they were going to be in MO for a couple of days but it stretched to three weeks.

Was LE doing something before or not?

If there was an affair, would that be comsidered a tragic event? It doesn't make sense until the final arrests. Then it will become clear.

The sheriff said we would be amazed, was it? So far nothing is that earth shattering.

Listening to the Sheriff's interview with Tricia, people were calling for an arrest at 2 days, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks. The community was pressuring his department hard for an arrest. The arrests actually came at 8 weeks. So I think the arrests were in the planning since the July 12 raid, which qualifies as weeks before the actual arrests. IMO.

June 29 - Dr. Sievers' murder
July 12 - Raid on Wayne Wright's trailer
August 27 - CWW & JRR arrested.

Everything he gave us indicates the investigation began with the 911 call and not prior to that. IMO again.
 
  • #30
I took it to mean an avalanche of information, tips, etc
I agree. I think tips came in as soon as the word got out that day. Tips could have come from colleagues, those who she worked with and the general public. LE seemed to find out right away about JR and CWW being at Walmart.
Perhaps a WM receipt or bag or tool was left behind that prompted LE to view video footage in all nearby Walmarts. It seems, based on what the sheriff has said, that LE was unindated (avalanched) with evidence, tips, and info from the get go.
 
  • #31
Did Sheriff Scott mean avalanche of LE/EMS responders or media or people/witnesses/family members who responded with tips? Remember... NO ONE ever made a public plea (other than general one from LE) asking for information on who was responsible for this crime...almost as if people close to the case (including AL) knew from the beginning, or had a very good idea of who the perp(s) were.

The general one from LE is probably all it took.
Published July 1 - and they were already running down leads. That's within 48 hours of the murder.
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29435156/death-investigation-underway-in-bonita-springs#.VfdYmRBiLN4
BONITA SPRINGS - Mother of two, Dr. Teresa Ann Sievers, 46, is the victim of a homicide in Bonita Springs and Lee County Sheriff's Office authorities are now asking for anyone who heard or saw anything in connection to this to call them.
 
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Here's an afterthought, see if you all can make sense of it. Maybe we need a Sheriff Interview discussion thread.
The very first point Sheriff Scott responded with when given the floor to clear any misconceptions was this:
SMS: Well, perhaps the time frame in terms of between the time of the initial crime, if you will, not us becoming aware of it and responding, and then the arrest. There was some discussion that it was taking too long. Of course, I don't know who determines what, how long is too long. But I think now, that the logistics of an interstate investigation have become known. I think, now in retrospect, people probably understand.

You'll have to listen to it, to get the pauses, tone & context.
It seemed immaterial to me to point out that he means from the initial crime to the arrests, as opposed to the 911 call to the arrests in the first sentence.
In an 8 week timeline is 6-12 hours difference that meaningful in the constant countdown pressure from the community? Or is it a clue that she was intercepted at the airport after making that phone call? IDK. It just seemed odd. IMO.
 
  • #35
Listening to the Sheriff's interview with Tricia, people were calling for an arrest at 2 days, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks. The community was pressuring his department hard for an arrest. The arrests actually came at 8 weeks. So I think the arrests were in the planning since the July 12 raid, which qualifies as weeks before the actual arrests. IMO.

June 29 - Dr. Sievers' murder
July 12 - Raid on Wayne Wright's trailer
August 27 - CWW & JRR arrested.

Everything he gave us indicates the investigation began with the 911 call and not prior to that. IMO again.

LCSO's investigation began with the 911 call.:jail:
 
  • #36
Here's an afterthought, see if you all can make sense of it. Maybe we need a Sheriff Interview discussion thread.
The very first point Sheriff Scott responded with when given the floor to clear any misconceptions was this:
SMS: Well, perhaps the time frame in terms of between the time of the initial crime, if you will, not us becoming aware of it and responding, and then the arrest. There was some discussion that it was taking too long. Of course, I don't know who determines what, how long is too long. But I think now, that the logistics of an interstate investigation have become known. I think, now in retrospect, people probably understand.

You'll have to listen to it, to get the pauses, tone & context.
It seemed immaterial to me to point out that he means from the initial crime to the arrests, as opposed to the 911 call to the arrests in the first sentence.
In an 8 week timeline is 6-12 hours difference that meaningful in the constant countdown pressure from the community? Or is it a clue that she was intercepted at the airport after making that phone call? IDK. It just seemed odd. IMO.

Maybe she was intercepted BEFORE making the phone....
 
  • #37
LCSO's investigation began with the 911 call.:jail:

Excellent point. Zoom out & look at the wide view? FBI and Missouri officials could have already had the ball rolling on CWW & JRR long before June 29th? I'm still catching up.
 
  • #38
Maybe she was intercepted BEFORE making the phone....

So the "not us becoming aware of it and responding" was a nicer way to say, when the actual murder took place. and the initial crime was the pre-planning event- maybe weeks, months before? Whatever that may be. Still just random thinking.
 
  • #39
Here's an afterthought, see if you all can make sense of it. Maybe we need a Sheriff Interview discussion thread.
The very first point Sheriff Scott responded with when given the floor to clear any misconceptions was this:
SMS: Well, perhaps the time frame in terms of between the time of the initial crime, if you will, not us becoming aware of it and responding, and then the arrest. There was some discussion that it was taking too long. Of course, I don't know who determines what, how long is too long. But I think now, that the logistics of an interstate investigation have become known. I think, now in retrospect, people probably understand.

You'll have to listen to it, to get the pauses, tone & context.
It seemed immaterial to me to point out that he means from the initial crime to the arrests, as opposed to the 911 call to the arrests in the first sentence.
In an 8 week timeline is 6-12 hours difference that meaningful in the constant countdown pressure from the community? Or is it a clue that she was intercepted at the airport after making that phone call? IDK. It just seemed odd. IMO.

This could be a case of seeing what I want to see, hearing what I want to hear because it fits with the theory in my head, but that being said, let me break down how I understand his words;

A widely held misconception to clear up: the "time frame" between the "initial crime, if you will" and "then the arrest". He then comments on the criticism that arrests were taking too long. I don't think he's still clearing up misconceptions in the second sentence, instead he's explaining how those criticisms are unfounded; goes on to say "now that the logistics of an interstate investigation have become known...people probably understand". So there's no misconception to clear up then, because people understand now why it took 8 weeks for an arrest.

Back to the "time frame" between the "initial crime, if you will" and "then the arrest" that is a public misconception.

Why "initial crime"? Initial = beginning, opening, commencing, starting, the inception of..the crime. He could have easily said "at the time of the crime". And then of course he adds 'if you will' (said when politely inviting a listener or reader to do something or when using an unusual or fanciful term - thnx google). INITIAL CRIME, IF YOU WILL. I would say crime isn't a fanciful or unusual term to describe TS's murder. Is he asking the listener to consider that the initialcrime was not the murder of TS? After all he is trying to clear up a misconception about the time frame.

"Now, that the logistics of an interstate investigation have become known" people understand why it took 8 weeks for an arrest warrant from LCSO. Interstate investigation. Interstate means federal. Maybe he doesn't want to say FBI investigation. The logistics of which would be complicated if there was an ongoing investigation. I know he talks about hotel rooms, meals, plane tickets (all logistics) but in this context, those logistics wouldn't take 8 weeks to manage. The logistical DELAY, IMO, was at the request of or because evidence was in the hands of federal LE.

ETA: If there was a crime specific to MO (even a murder) and TS's murder in FL, this doesn't exactly qualify as interstate investigation. MO state LE and LCSO would work together, federal LE involvement would not be required for the two state LE's to share intelligence, evidence.
 
  • #40
Here's an afterthought, see if you all can make sense of it. Maybe we need a Sheriff Interview discussion thread.
The very first point Sheriff Scott responded with when given the floor to clear any misconceptions was this:
SMS: Well, perhaps the time frame in terms of between the time of the initial crime, if you will, not us becoming aware of it and responding, and then the arrest. There was some discussion that it was taking too long. Of course, I don't know who determines what, how long is too long. But I think now, that the logistics of an interstate investigation have become known. I think, now in retrospect, people probably understand.

You'll have to listen to it, to get the pauses, tone & context.
It seemed immaterial to me to point out that he means from the initial crime to the arrests, as opposed to the 911 call to the arrests in the first sentence.
In an 8 week timeline is 6-12 hours difference that meaningful in the constant countdown pressure from the community? Or is it a clue that she was intercepted at the airport after making that phone call? IDK. It just seemed odd. IMO.

Good point KateB. The Sheriff's office has been under intense pressure from the beginning of the case, to release info. and of course to arrest those reponsible. IMO, Sheriff Scott was attempting to refute the public perception/misconception that the case was progressing too slowly. As he said, the case drew an enormous amount of attention and there seemed to be an expectation that an arrest should have been made within days of the crime.
 

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