Dr. Teresa Sievers - Motives and Theories (Including MS speculation)

[CoolJ]

But others in the family have spoken to the media. I'm certain you're correct in that they were counseled not to speak of certain things in the media, but certainly an "I can't comment on anything more, but I just want the killer(s) of my wife to be found and pay for what they did. I loved her very much and can't imagine/believe this has happened."

Have a look through some of the cases on this website where a husband murdered his wife. Quite often they are very happy to speak with media and LE are quite happy to allow them.

MS not speaking to the media means nothing.

 

[RagingClue]

I totally agree and will add to that a few more things I can't get past:

-his best friend from childhood has been arrested for her murder

-he didn't call TS's sister/soulmate for at least a few days (or perhaps ever, as far as we know) after the arrest of her murderers (again, his best friend)

-he fully intended to replace TS and go on with the practice with other players.

-the sheriff still says he's in the envelope of suspicion when normally, if a spouse is innocent, LE is happy to quickly clear them. Especially when someone else is arrested. The sheriff knows way more way than we do.

-the sheriff would not answer the question of whether MS is cooperating. (See above)

While someone might be able to explain away one of these things as an aberration--MAYBE two--together, they point overwhelmingly to the involvement of MS, which,, the stats also support as the most likely scenario.

This doesn't at all preclude that more people were involved with the murder or crimes leading to it. I fully expect multiple arrests coming up!


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Great points!

About LE clearing spouses quickly: I remember there was recent case about a young mother who disappear but was later found desceased in a field (suicide). LE cleared hubby fairly quickly and publicly.

The only other case that ever rattled me like this was Laci Peterson. I happened to be in the same area at the time and remember feeling sick with grief, hoping she world be found safe.

 

[kammiemc]

Have a look through some of the cases on this website where a husband murdered his wife. Quite often they are very happy to speak with media and LE are quite happy to allow them.

MS not speaking to the media means nothing.

If that was the only suspicious thing he had working against him then that explanation might be valuable. Unfortunately for him it is just one of mannnnnnnnny.


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[kammiemc]

Great points!

About LE clearing spouses quickly: I remember there was recent case about a young mother who disappear but was later found desceased in a field (suicide). LE cleared hubby fairly quickly and publicly.

The only other case that ever rattled me like this was Laci Peterson. I happened to be in the same area at the time and remember feeling sick with grief, hoping she world be found safe.

I, too, lived in the Bay Area. I felt the same way about Scott that I feel about MS. Like, give me ONE reason to think he didn't have a hand in this.


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[LvsAMystry]

I, too, lived in the Bay Area. I felt the same way about Scott that I feel about MS. Like, give me ONE reason to think he didn't have a hand in this.


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Same feeling on Scott Peterson too from day one. There was another I felt the same way about right away, Charles Stuart. Too many coincidences add up to nothing being a coincidence at all.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Does anyone know why LE doesn't publicly declare people innocent or not a POI as a general rule even when they know it to be true? It would be great if they did, but I suppose they have their reasons.

We've seen that in recent cases here on websleuths. DC Murder - the wife was a suspect (naturally) here in threads, but never declared to be uninvolved, a POI nor was she cleared publicly by LE. We now know she's not involved, but until the arrests and confessions, nope. Also, Jessica Chambers' murder: her father has not been cleared publicly, nor has he been named as a person of interest, but we are left so speculate nonetheless. No arrests yet. We did see a letter the sheriff or the DA (?) wrote to the life insurance company saying he wasn't involved, but that was so they would release the funds and the father could collect. Other than that leak, I haven't seen any public declaration of innocence in that case.

LE did clear a local merchant who was receiving death threats because of his country of origin and for no other reason. He was thoroughly investigated and publicly declared not a person of interest, so he could leave the area. That was an extreme case due to vandalism and overt death threats.

In the Savopoulos murders, a public statement was made that Jordan Wallace was not involved, but that's because they had arrested someone whose DNA was at the scene and it was a grand jury hearing. The defense was seemingly trying to skew attention away from their client to JW. But for that, I don't think the statement would have been made on the record.

Other than that, I just don't recall LE of any type being happy to clear someone of suspicion.

 

[kammiemc]

Does anyone know why LE doesn't publicly declare people innocent or not a POI as a general rule even when they know it to be true? It would be great if they did, but I suppose they have their reasons.

We've seen that in recent cases here on websleuths. DC Murder - the wife was a suspect (naturally) here in threads, but never declared to be uninvolved, a POI nor was she cleared publicly by LE. We now know she's not involved, but until the arrests and confessions, nope. Also, Jessica Chambers' murder: her father has not been cleared publicly, nor has he been named as a person of interest, but we are left so speculate nonetheless. No arrests yet. We did see a letter the sheriff or the DA (?) wrote to the life insurance company saying he wasn't involved, but that was so they would release the funds and the father could collect. Other than that leak, I haven't seen any public declaration of innocence in that case.

LE did clear a local merchant who was receiving death threats because of his country of origin and for no other reason. He was thoroughly investigated and publicly declared not a person of interest, so he could leave the area. That was an extreme case due to vandalism and overt death threats.

In the Savopoulos murders, a public statement was made that Jordan Wallace was not involved, but that's because they had arrested someone whose DNA was at the scene and it was a grand jury hearing. The defense was seemingly trying to skew attention away from their client to JW. But for that, I don't think the statement would have been made on the record.

Other than that, I just don't recall LE of any type being happy to clear someone of suspicion.

Hi FL. Maybe "clear" is too strong of a word for me to have used. I think when a murder happens and the spouse is (almost always) first looked at, the public awaits signs such as "the spouse is not considered a person of interest" or " the spouse is fully cooperating and has passed a polygraph".....But in this case there have only been the opposite types of statements by the sheriff.
This is a thread for motives and spec that MS was involved, (there is another thread for motives and spec that he was not involved) so don't want to get too off topic. But in terms of the cases you mentioned I only followed Savopoulos and IMO JW wasn't cleared by anyone considering that the context of the prosecutor's statements was a PH for the only so-far-arrested defendant.


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[Stopwatch]

I totally agree and will add to that a few more things I can't get past:

-his best friend from childhood has been arrested for her murder

-he didn't call TS's sister/soulmate for at least a few days (or perhaps ever, as far as we know) after the arrest of her murderers (again, his best friend)

-he fully intended to replace TS and go on with the practice with other players.

-the sheriff still says he's in the envelope of suspicion when normally, if a spouse is innocent, LE is happy to quickly clear them. Especially when someone else is arrested. The sheriff knows way more way than we do.

-the sheriff would not answer the question of whether MS is cooperating. (See above)

While someone might be able to explain away one of these things as an aberration--MAYBE two--together, they point overwhelmingly to the involvement of MS, which,, the stats also support as the most likely scenario.

This doesn't at all preclude that more people were involved with the murder or crimes leading to it. I fully expect multiple arrests coming up!


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Adding some more that I can't get past:

- Sheriff said TS' daughters were victims, but did not mention MS.

- MS hired a convicted meth dealer to work in a medical office where he frequently took his children

- MS has an inappropriate (IMO) sense of timing (as mentioned above) in regard to continuing the practice. This readiness to rush on with life as if TS never existed feels to me like a person whose perception of the situation is way off. IMO, he isn't able to fake a normal reaction because he isn't having a normal reaction because he was involved in an abnormal way. Either that, or he is innocent of the murder but really just couldn't stand TS.

- The story from Skinner about the apartment that MS had to ask CWW to leave doesn't ring true. Maybe MS wasn't just CWW's landlord who reluctantly asked him to leave when he found he was cooking meth. Maybe they were in business together and have been for years. Maybe the all points between MO and FL are the drop-off points for the drugs. If so, MS could be involved in some pretty messy stuff. Meth = death.

 

[creepingskills]

Adding some more that I can't get past:

- Sheriff said TS' daughters were victims, but did not mention MS.

- MS hired a convicted meth dealer to work in a medical office where he frequently took his children

- MS has an inappropriate (IMO) sense of timing (as mentioned above) in regard to continuing the practice. This readiness to rush on with life as if TS never existed feels to me like a person whose perception of the situation is way off. IMO, he isn't able to fake a normal reaction because he isn't having a normal reaction because he was involved in an abnormal way. Either that, or he is innocent of the murder but really just couldn't stand TS.

- The story from Skinner about the apartment that MS had to ask CWW to leave doesn't ring true. Maybe MS wasn't just CWW's landlord who reluctantly asked him to leave when he found he was cooking meth. Maybe they were in business together and have been for years. Maybe the all points between MO and FL are the drop-off points for the drugs. If so, MS could be involved in some pretty messy stuff. Meth = death.

I found that particular Skinner story interesting. Appears as though he's saying MS was worried about the property being subject to asset forfeiture. I will elaborate later today but there must have been something else going on if MS's property was subject to seizure.

Congress has included an innocent owner defense in virtually all of the most widely used federal forfeiture statutes. For example, the drug statutes, 21 U.S.C. §881(a)(4) and (7), say that neither vehicles nor real property, respectively, may be forfeited if they were used to commit a crime without the knowledge or consent of the owner.

Mr. Pilon's claim that "hotels and apartment buildings are today forfeited when their owners are unable to prevent drug transactions in them" is just plain wrong. Even a property owner who "knows" that his property is being used for an illegal purpose is protected from forfeiture if he shows that he took all reasonable steps to prevent the activity. See United States v. 141st Street Corp., 911 F.2d 870, 877-78 (2nd Cir. 1990) (landlord who knew building was being used for drug trafficking had opportunity to show he did not consent to such use), cert. denied, 111 S. Ct. 1017 (1991); United States v. Parcel of Real Property Known as 6109 Grubb Road, 886 F.2d 618, 626 (3rd Cir. 1989) (wife who knew of husband's use of residence for drug trafficking had opportunity to show she did not consent to such use); United States v. One Parcel of Real Estate at 1012 Germantown Road, 963 F.2d 1496 (11th Cir. 1992). http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/detail/forfeiture-is-reasonable-and-it-works

 

[NSS]

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I found that particular Skinner story interesting. Appears as though he's saying MS was worried about the property being subject to asset forfeiture. I will elaborate later today but there must have been something else going on if MS's property was subject to seizure.

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I found it interesting too, I am intrigued to hear what you inferred from that particular exchange.

 

[yorick]

- The story from Skinner about the apartment that MS had to ask CWW to leave doesn't ring true.

Maybe I missed it as I don't remember reading it, but can somebody link that particular Skinner post?

Also, has anybody looked through the Lee County, Florida court records to see any cases MS and TS have had going on?

http://www.leeclerk.org/

(I believe that would be the county they lived in, correct me if I'm wrong.)

I can't access the site from work, so I'm hoping somebody else can, or has...

 

[Stopwatch]

Maybe I missed it as I don't remember reading it, but can somebody link that particular Skinner post?

Also, has anybody looked through the Lee County, Florida court records to see any cases MS and TS have had going on?

http://www.leeclerk.org/

(I believe that would be the county they lived in, correct me if I'm wrong.)

I can't access the site from work, so I'm hoping somebody else can, or has...

From Skinner post #146:

3) You'll find this to be interesting: One of the properties that you sleuths found out that MS owned in Fenton, MO, was a house that MS rented to WW at one time, and when MS found out that WW was dealing or making (I really do not remember which) meth out of his (MS) house, he told WW 'You gotta go, and now.'

WW respected MS wishes, and moved.

If I recall, MS told me 'Skinner, in drug deals, they confiscate the house, regardless of the owner not being in the house, and I'm not taking any chances. I need the rent money to make the mortgage on that house.'

He says that (C)WW "respected MS wishes" - did he have a choice? OK, my dear friend, I see that my drug-making activities on your property have offended your sensibilities, so I will respectfully remove myself from your property, with the hopes that I may stay in your good graces?

It just makes me so angry that MS sounds like he's apologizing for asking CWW to leave, and his justification has to do with MS not wanting to lose money. If he was worried about money I doubt hazmat was called in to do cleanup, so did MS rent the place to some unsuspecting family?

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/homes-may-be-contaminated-by-meth-labs/31174574

I just wonder if MS' version of what happened in that home is not completely accurate, and if the reason he didn't sound livid to find out what his friend was doing there was because they were really in business together. Maybe somehow news got out, so MS pretended like he hadn't realized what was going on there.

 

[Russian Blue]

That's a good theory, but I think the sound of someone being killed in the garage, would be heard by neighbours. It would be too risky, and they would also have to stage the break in and then take the body inside. This again IMO would be risky, and would track blood all over the place, from the garage and throughout the house.

I think they had keys to enter the house, and the crowbar break-in was staged (and would have to be done fairly quietly during the night when no one would observe them. The security system was turned off, so they had free reign of the house before Dr S arrived. MOO

Ok I am glad you brought that up about the break in being staged. My thinking was that the security turned off was intentional and part of the grand scheme. But I thought that piece allowed them to break in undetected. On further thought if they had the security intentionally turned off they probably also had some type of access. And yep I would guess they staged the break in. Thanks.

 

[SeesSeas]

Ok I am glad you brought that up about the break in being staged. My thinking was that the security turned off was intentional and part of the grand scheme. But I thought that piece allowed them to break in undetected. On further thought if they had the security intentionally turned off they probably also had some type of access. And yep I would guess they staged the break in. Thanks.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...ing-were-planned-for-weeks-and-weeks_61944344
Sheriff: Arrests in Bonita Springs doctor's killing were planned ‘for weeks and weeks'
Sep 11, 2015

Scott did confirm there was forced entry into the home, saying he believed most people had seen the TV footage of a door with "really significant pry marks" being carried away from the scene.​

 

[Russian Blue]

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...ing-were-planned-for-weeks-and-weeks_61944344
Sheriff: Arrests in Bonita Springs doctor's killing were planned ‘for weeks and weeks'
Sep 11, 2015

Scott did confirm there was forced entry into the home, saying he believed most people had seen the TV footage of a door with "really significant pry marks" being carried away from the scene.​

I get that and thanks for the link to review this piece again, I know he has said that there was forced entry, but I think there is the possibility to that piece was staged to make it look random. We shall see.

 

[wondering25]

I get that and thanks for the link to review this piece again, I know he has said that there was forced entry, but I think there is the possibility to that piece was staged to make it look random. We shall see.

I wonder, assuming it WASNT staged.. how that changes things? I always thought it was staged.. but maybe it wasnt? Does that say MS was not involved? I dunno...The alarm being off is definitely suspect.. but regardless, people lock their doors even if they have an alarm system. The planning coincides with what AL said that they had made the plans to come to CT well in advance, renting a home, etc. I guess what i am saying is that whether the door being pried was staged or not, it probably doesn't change who the masterminds/perps were. JMO


Sheriff: Arrests in Bonita Springs doctor's killing were planned ‘for weeks and weeks'
Sep 11, 2015
Scott did confirm there was forced entry into the home, saying he believed most people had seen the TV footage of a door with "really significant pry marks" being carried away from the scene.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime...weeks_61944344

 

[Dion]

I wonder, assuming it WASNT staged.. how that changes things? I always thought it was staged.. but maybe it wasnt? Does that say MS was not involved? I dunno...The alarm being off is definitely suspect.. but regardless, people lock their doors even if they have an alarm system. The planning coincides with what AL said that they had made the plans to come to CT well in advance, renting a home, etc. I guess what i am saying is that whether the door being pried was staged or not, it probably doesn't change who the masterminds/perps were. JMO


Sheriff: Arrests in Bonita Springs doctor's killing were planned ‘for weeks and weeks'
Sep 11, 2015
Scott did confirm there was forced entry into the home, saying he believed most people had seen the TV footage of a door with "really significant pry marks" being carried away from the scene.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime...weeks_61944344

I also assumed that the door was staged, and that they had a key (or a door was left open). The alarm was off, and dogs were used to people coming and going, and may have recognized CWW, so would not be barking frantically. Once dogs were under control, JR could have jimmied open the door. MOO

 

[Dion]

That weekend seems to be a very controlled situation, with most things revolving around MS.
• It was him that knew well in advance that TS was coming home early and would be home alone that night.
• It was his friend who was responsible for killing MS.
• It could have been his mother that was responsible for checking on the house, and may have "forgotten" to turn the alarm system back on (or wasn't given instructions).
• He could have moved the surveillance camera in advance, so that the jimmied door was not visible.

It's possible that he asked TS to call him "when she landed" rather than call from home. I don't know for sure, but it would serve several purposes.
• He would know for sure when she would arrive home, based on where she was when she called him.
• It would appear as if she was giving him the "home safe" call (even though she was not home safe) that most spouses would do, therefore raising no alarms, when phone calls were checked.
• If she waited to call him from her home (which IMO she should have done), she may not have got the chance, if the killers were already there, and he would have had to follow up with a phone call to find out why she hadn't called him. He wouldn't want to call her and get no answer.

Just theories and my opinion only!

 

[TTF14]

I'm sorry if this has already been posted on one of these threads, but did anybody see Friday night's Dateline episode? It definitely fell under the "bizarre and intricate" (complicated) set of circumstances, including impersonation/attempt at framing someone else. And in the end it was all just a jilted lover story.

 

[Dushi]

That weekend seems to be a very controlled situation, with most things revolving around MS.
• It was him that knew well in advance that TS was coming home early and would be home alone that night.
• It was his friend who was responsible for killing MS.
• It could have been his mother that was responsible for checking on the house, and may have "forgotten" to turn the alarm system back on (or wasn't given instructions).
• He could have moved the surveillance camera in advance, so that the jimmied door was not visible.

It's possible that he asked TS to call him "when she landed" rather than call from home. I don't know for sure, but it would serve several purposes.
• He would know for sure when she would arrive home, based on where she was when she called him.
• It would appear as if she was giving him the "home safe" call (even though she was not home safe) that most spouses would do, therefore raising no alarms, when phone calls were checked.
• If she waited to call him from her home (which IMO she should have done), she may not have got the chance, if the killers were already there, and he would have had to follow up with a phone call to find out why she hadn't called him. He wouldn't want to call her and get no answer.

Just theories and my opinion only!

Understand, I am still very much on the fence..

BBM

#1 I am going to assume, as this was a planned in advance vacation, that many people knew their schedule.
He worked in the office too, so it is not farfetched to think office staff would know their plans.

#2 He wouldn't need to call at all. Who would know what their phone call plans were unless he told them?