Dr. Teresa Sievers - Motives and Theories (Including MS speculation)

[al66pine]

Yes, and not any that would be found in safes in the home or they'd be missing. The practice couldn't run without her so any funds related to that would dry up. So it has to be money that would only come from her death, no?

Not sure I agree w the above bbm. Not sure how to make a poss. comparison to another med. specialty, but here's an attempt.

Dermatology office w one MD (w or w'out Bd Cert in Derm) sets up practice and offers auxiliary or affiliated type services, such as massage, facials, some laser-treatments, skin care products & techniques, diet supplements, etc. Self-pay serv's.
Some of other ^ services and/or products do not require provider to be MD-licensed, perhaps not req any med license.
The derm'ist's employs people, w approp licenses to provide those services. Some patient/clients do not see or consult w the derm'ist at all, leaving derm'ist time to provide MD services (e.g. skin cancer).

IIUC from Dr TS's vid/pt education "Why People Don't Heal' seminar (linked earlier to her med website and/or youtube), her co-presenter, LS(?) had operated independently of Dr TS for years.
TBH (& hoping not to offend posters here who were pts of Dr TS), some of presentation to focus on services which seemed non-med or non-scientific imo. Maybe more positive-thinking, life-coachy (or IDK)? IOW, like some services offered would not require traditional med-licensing. Putting on my flame proof suit now to prepare for responses.

Ultimately, trying to say, imo, it's possible that w'out Dr TS, by modifying office's services, and dropping true MD's med services, business could run without her. And by employing more ppl w other (not really lower, just different) health-affiliate licenses or accreditations, income wd not totally dry up. The patient-clients would be self-pay, no med ins, Medicare, etc. Poss'ly even expand?

IDK, could be all wrong about this ^. Merely speculating - MS might have thought it possible and that could explain his involvement (if he was).

Dr TS seems like a wonderful, energetic professional and a terrific mother, sister, etc. RIP Dr TS.

 

[Bobbywoo]

Back atcha IQuestion. Jumping off your post, if in fact JR did receive the $10,000, it strongly suggests the job was completed properly as you stated. I'm not sure if is a fact or not that JR actually was paid. Someone who knows for sure is welcome to comment . Dr. Teresa was murdered, but to our knowledge nothing of was taken. This only makes me think even more that it was a deliberate hit. Oh, an BTW, what possible job would JR get that is legit would pay him $10,000? That in itself is sooooooo suspect.

MSM reported that JR told his gf that he was going to florida to work for $10,000. She said when he got back they bought a van.......he got money from somewhere but I don't think LE has confirmed the amount.

Edited to add that I think it was a hit also, not a robbery

 

[Bobbywoo]

Then wby wpuld CWW attend the funeral? I imagine LE watched tbe two interact. To admire the fruits of his labor.

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Maybe he wanted to see what he "created" to pat himself on the back knowing that orchestrated the whole situation?

Or on a simpler note, I think it would have looked suspicious if he didn't go to his best friend's wifes funeral

 

[LvsAMystry]

Its gotta be. IMO I can only think she would be killed for money if the killers found themselves in a dire and life threatening situation in connection with some illegal activity they were involved in. But even that seems improbable to me. IJDK

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Agreed that improbable!

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Agreed that improbable!

Ha! Then what reason would she be killed? For money? Its got to be complicated, involved, I just can't think of anything.

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[Eileen730]

Yes, it does sound that way to me.
The statements made by Down sound like TS didn't see this coming at all.
Didn't put herself in a dangerous situation, didn't confront anyone .Didn't have damning evidence against someone
So, why was she targeted? Gosh, I am so confused

I think k CWW embedded himself into her business and personal life without her knowledge. I think there is a reason he remains to look so much like M.S. but that's just my opinion .

 

[wondering25]

Ha! Then what reason would she be killed? For money? Its got to be complicated, involved, I just can't think of anything.

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It was a hit, orchestrated by MS to avoid public embarrassment because both he and TS had the same lover. MOO He was going to lose if he got divorced. Even if he got a really good settlement.. TS' life would go on and he would lose his lover to TS.. 10k was small potatoes compared to what he would lose over a lifetime. Most of us dont know someone who has murdered someone.. if you believe the Bolin story in Missouri, MS knew someone who might have been a murderer. Always get the best you can for your money.. MOO

All of the above is just my opinion.

 

[Chelly]

^^^^^
Same lover theory sounds like wild speculation to me.
However, I agree it was a hit
IMO.

 

[SeesSeas]

I’m definitely on the other side of the fence, the lonely side :desert:, thinking that MS is innocent of involvement in this crime. But, I do read alternate theories presented on this thread. And, I try to understand those theories. I am in no way questioning your theory at all. I simply would like clarification about some of the statements you made. If someone ever provides even a smidgen of evidence of MS’s involvement, I could leap over to the other side of the fence.

Clarification requested on these statements:
CWW promised at $10,000 dollar "pay day" for JRR one little trip.
it took 2 months for the killers to plan this.

I didn't locate links for those statements.

SeasSeas....I don't want you to be the lone prickly cactus in the desert (am referring to your choice of emoticon)
Lots of discussion on the 10K and references to planning can be found on this transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1509/01/ng.01.html
I might also suggest the attached link for people to advocate for why MS might not be involved....all 7 pages of threads.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rnate-Motives-and-Theories-(NOT-involving-MS)

Yes, my lone cactus in the desert with the tumbleweed drifting along… but it’s a comfortable solitude.:desert:

At the CNN 9/1/15 Nancy Grace transcript link you provided, I don’t find anything that CWW promised $10,000 to JRR one little trip. Nor do I find anything about it taking 2 months for the killers to plan. http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1509/01/ng.01.html :thinking:

 

[LvsAMystry]

It was a hit, orchestrated by MS to avoid public embarrassment because both he and TS had the same lover. MOO He was going to lose if he got divorced. Even if he got a really good settlement.. TS' life would go on and he would lose his lover to TS.. 10k was small potatoes compared to what he would lose over a lifetime. Most of us dont know someone who has murdered someone.. if you believe the Bolin story in Missouri, MS knew someone who might have been a murderer. Always get the best you can for your money.. MOO

All of the above is just my opinion.

I also agree with it being a hit orchestrated. I really don't think TS was involved extramaritally with anyone based on Sheriff Scott's statement that she'd done nothing and hadn't been a party to anything that would have made her a target.

 

[SeesSeas]

It has been mentioned (by Skinner IIRC) that CWW has fibromyalgia. Others have suggested CWW might be collecting Social Security Disability. Here is some interesting information about the Evaluation of Fibromyalgia by the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION for Disability Insurance:

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OP_Home/rulings/di/01/SSR2012-02-di-01.html
SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION – Disability Insurance
Effective Date: July 25, 2012
POLICY INTERPRETATION RULING

SSR 12-2p: Titles II and XVI: Evaluation of Fibromyalgia

Purpose: This Social Security Ruling (SSR) provides guidance on how we develop evidence to establish that a person has a medically determinable impairment (MDI) of fibromyalgia (FM), and how we evaluate FM in disability claims and continuing disability reviews under titles II and XVI of the Social Security Act (Act).[SUP][1][/SUP]

EXCERPT:
Policy Interpretation
I. What general criteria can establish that a person has an MDI of FM? Generally, a person can establish that he or she has an MDI of FM by providing evidence from an acceptable medical source.[SUP][3][/SUP] A licensed physician (a medical or osteopathic doctor) is the only acceptable medical source who can provide such evidence. We cannot rely upon the physician's diagnosis alone. The evidence must document that the physician reviewed the person's medical history and conducted a physical exam. We will review the physician's treatment notes to see if they are consistent with the diagnosis of FM, determine whether the person's symptoms have improved, worsened, or remained stable over time, and establish the physician's assessment over time of the person's physical strength and functional abilities.

 

[volcarm]

Yes, and not any that would be found in safes in the home or they'd be missing. The practice couldn't run without her so any funds related to that would dry up. So it has to be money that would only come from her death, no?

Why wouldn't they take the money/safe for the hell of it if they were there?


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[FelicityLemon]

Excellent, thank you SeesSeas! Being an IT supahstar *cough* he could access patient's medical records and learn just what symptoms to mimic or at least, tell the doctors he's experiencing. Okay, just quickly checked a site for symptoms and I find that I, too, suffer from fibromyalgia and I will apply for disability forthwith. Seriously, I tick the boxes on every single symptom. Please, nobody throw rocks, I am being sarcastic and hopefully, it's obvious. My meaning is that it looks to be EXTREMELY difficult to diagnose because the symptoms don't necessarily manifest visually. It's not like it can be seen with a quick look-sea in the office, via X-ray, MRI - it's a process and takes time to diagnose. No simple test.

I am not a doctor and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night. I'm speculating and projecting and throwing around my opinions only.

Methinks somebody is playing for pay. Skinner said he had plenty of money and didn't have to worry (paraphrasing) but no real explanation of how he amassed it. I don't know any of the parties involved, so I can't say that CCW didn't scrimp, save and invest wisely. We read the stories of welfare queens collecting using different names, maybe it's being done through various doctors and State Disability payments. Who knows what systems he's hacked or what "friends" he's made. This would indeed be convoluted and complicated and connections intertwined.

It has been mentioned (by Skinner IIRC) that CWW has fibromyalgia. Others have suggested CWW might be collecting Social Security Disability. Here is some interesting information about the Evaluation of Fibromyalgia by the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION for Disability Insurance:

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OP_Home/rulings/di/01/SSR2012-02-di-01.html
SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION – Disability Insurance
Effective Date: July 25, 2012
POLICY INTERPRETATION RULING

SSR 12-2p: Titles II and XVI: Evaluation of Fibromyalgia

Purpose: This Social Security Ruling (SSR) provides guidance on how we develop evidence to establish that a person has a medically determinable impairment (MDI) of fibromyalgia (FM), and how we evaluate FM in disability claims and continuing disability reviews under titles II and XVI of the Social Security Act (Act).[SUP][1][/SUP]

EXCERPT:
Policy Interpretation
I. What general criteria can establish that a person has an MDI of FM? Generally, a person can establish that he or she has an MDI of FM by providing evidence from an acceptable medical source.[SUP][3][/SUP] A licensed physician (a medical or osteopathic doctor) is the only acceptable medical source who can provide such evidence. We cannot rely upon the physician's diagnosis alone. The evidence must document that the physician reviewed the person's medical history and conducted a physical exam. We will review the physician's treatment notes to see if they are consistent with the diagnosis of FM, determine whether the person's symptoms have improved, worsened, or remained stable over time, and establish the physician's assessment over time of the person's physical strength and functional abilities.

 

[human]

No one is going to get rich off of SSI. I would imagine with his sketchy and short work history he might get $1200 a month, if lucky

 

[LvsAMystry]

Why wouldn't they take the money/safe for the hell of it if they were there?


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I'm not sure what you mean, clearly they were there. I was saying if the main purpose of them being there was robbery they would have taken the safes, and since they didn't my opinion is they were only there to murder her.

 

[creepingskills]

No one is going to get rich off of SSI. I would imagine with his sketchy and short work history he might get $1200 a month, if lucky

IMO if CWW was really squirreling away large sums of cash, it was proceeds of illegal activity. CWW wouldn't claim his real source of income to the IRS; SSI gives him a reason to "retire", explains some of his money?

 

[FelicityLemon]

No one is going to get rich off of SSI. I would imagine with his sketchy and short work history he might get $1200 a month, if lucky

It's not about getting rich, just having income. There are people who go to the trouble of creating bogus accounts and/or using other people's accounts and collect large amounts. Multiple accounts, multiple checks. I don't know how industrious he was. He didn't have to have a good, solid work history if he's been a computer criminal for over 20 years. He could also have created bogus patient accounts for prescriptions to sell.

Sort of OT: I don't know what he looked like when he was cooking, but he doesn't look anything remotely like a tweaker/user and even after quitting, users can sometimes be permanently stuck with the face of a user. He looks too jolly and healthy. It's just so hard to reconcile the smiling pics of him with deliberate brutal violent overkill, especially of the wife of his longtime friend. Pics of him from 2006 look the same as he looks now.

 

[Lilibet]

It's not about getting rich, just having income. There are people who go to the trouble of creating bogus accounts and/or using other people's accounts and collect large amounts. Multiple accounts, multiple checks. I don't know how industrious he was. He didn't have to have a good, solid work history if he's been a computer criminal for over 20 years. He could also have created bogus patient accounts for prescriptions to sell.

Sort of OT: I don't know what he looked like when he was cooking, but he doesn't look anything remotely like a tweaker/user and even after quitting, users can sometimes be permanently stuck with the face of a user. He looks too jolly and healthy. It's just so hard to reconcile the smiling pics of him with deliberate brutal violent overkill, especially of the wife of his longtime friend. Pics of him from 2006 look the same as he looks now.

I noticed the same thing about his non-tweaked looks. I wonder if he just cooked without "tasting."
JMO

 

[human]

I noticed the same thing about his non-tweaked looks. I wonder if he just cooked without "tasting."
JMO

Didn't he say he used it to stay awake and do his computer stuff?

 

[Lilibet]

Didn't he say he used it to stay awake and do his computer stuff?

I don't know. Do you have a link?