Dr. Teresa Sievers - Motives and Theories (Including MS speculation)

[Blondie in Spokane]

Dang, can u just imagine the force needed to break a freakin hammer? (Shudder)

 

[InterestedViewer]

Maybe I am "misremembering" [emoji6] but on a NG clip (the one with no transcript), she specifically asks SMS about tolls. He replies "yes ma'am... We also have digital footprints". Now, I'm going to have to find the link- which as a WS newbie, I've never done. Lol

ETA- The clip was reposted today I believe. It was the one where one panelist suggested TS was having an affair and SMS said she did NOT put herself in a dangerous situation. Still looking for link)

Yes, I agree with you. I was listening in that Thursday night when SMS was answering Tricia's question. I think the question was a combination question, however, about tolls and also about Walmart, etc. I recall thinking to myself - I don't know of a straight way from St. Louis to Bonita Springs that would involve tolls unless they went out of their way to get there. If they hit the Chicago area, there would be tolls and if they somehow ended up on I-95 instead of I-75, there might be tolls on some of the adjoining highways. But, taking I-95 would be way out of the way. Someone had suggested that they may have gone to Alabama to see JW (CWW's brother). Possibly they would have encountered some tolls there. I don't know - I have never been to Alabama. Otherwise, I cannot see where they would have run into tolls unless they went out of their way to get there. I-70, I-64, I-57 through Southern Illinois, I-24, and I-75 do not have tolls.

 

[MsArk]

Here is the NG clip. At 4.56 he says in response to her question about tolls, they were able to "pretty much follow them". (Sorry about the Greico add!)

So to me, this says they did use tolls and to me, that is not a characteristic of a smart person. Even I would know better than that! This may seem be a little OT but my original post was the crime coming down to what makes the most sense. Connect the dots. MS to CWW to JR.

I just wonder what put CWW on LE's radar so quickly but most of all, will CWW rat on his bro? I kind of doubt he will. Isn't that the "creed" with seasoned criminals? Don't snitch. Ever. Hopefully JR did have a clue as to the real motive bc my guess is he will roll over when the DP is put on the table as his other option.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/09/03/mark-sievers-suspicion-doctor-teresa-murder

 

[Stopwatch]

I think these two posts by insider Amazon Rain speak very clearly to motive. I brought them over from the RHHC Medical Practice thread. I will just add that the most dangerous time is when a woman decides to leave her husband. JMO
Here is her main point from the second link:

When I think of motive, I think of how money and image and control of the girls are the most important things to MS. If TS left MS then his money, his image and his control of the girls would have changed. I think we are going to find out that the motive is that simple.​

BBM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?290119-Dr-Sievers-RHHC-Medical-Practice-Operations-amp-Website&p=12126079#post12126079

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...perations-amp-Website&p=12126106#post12126106​

I totally agree. The other possible motives (CWW was mad at MS, CWW *thought* MS wanted out) just don't seem likely to me.

Based on their history and all the low stuff they had seen in their lives, why would CWW be so angry at MS for goofing around at his wedding? They both seemed to be enjoying themselves, and they seem like the kind of guys who fancy themselves above letting a "mere" woman (just my impression of their attitude of not caring much about the law or other people) get between them.

And why would MS allow the fact that he was married stop him from doing whatever he wanted with whomever he wanted. It was to his benefit to stay with TS and make as much off of her as he could. Yes, I am being very cynical, but what I'm trying to get at is that the alternative was to commit *murder* in order to avoid being an adulterer. That doesn't make sense to me.

What does make sense to me is that TS wanted out, or at least hinted at it, and MS was terrified of losing his stature as the business manager of the much-loved, very popular doctor. He had bragged about her all the time, so if she rejected him publicly, what would that do to his ego and his life? Murder in that situation is something that has been done over and over by desperate people.

I have a hard time thinking of a case (other than drive-by shootings in gangs) where someone just got offended and plotted a murder. And I don't think I've ever heard of a case where someone thought they were doing their friend a favor by murdering someone, without the friend being involved. Not saying they aren't possible, but to me this is like the saying about hearing hoof-beats - chances are it's a horse and not a zebra.

 

[relay]

Here is the NG clip. At 4.56 he says in response to her question about tolls, they were able to "pretty much follow them". (Sorry about the Greico add!)

So to me, this says they did use tolls and to me, that is not a characteristic of a smart person. Even I would know better than that! This may seem be a little OT but my original post was the crime coming down to what makes the most sense. Connect the dots. MS to CWW to JR.

I just wonder what put CWW on LE's radar so quickly but most of all, will CWW rat on his bro? I kind of doubt he will. Isn't that the "creed" with seasoned criminals? Don't snitch. Ever. Hopefully JR did have a clue as to the real motive bc my guess is he will roll over when the DP is put on the table as his other option.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/09/03/mark-sievers-suspicion-doctor-teresa-murder

Thanks for reposting the link! AmazonRain stated in two different threads that she connected the dots early on when looking at MS's FB pics and finding CWW, the "brother" who looked so similar to him. I imagine LE did as well. The wedding just a few weeks before the murder suggests the two were still close, and if they did a background check on CWW which comes back real fast these days, they would investigate CWW further and immediately, I imagine.

 

[InterestedViewer]

Here is the NG clip. At 4.56 he says in response to her question about tolls, they were able to "pretty much follow them". (Sorry about the Greico add!)

So to me, this says they did use tolls and to me, that is not a characteristic of a smart person. Even I would know better than that! This may seem be a little OT but my original post was the crime coming down to what makes the most sense. Connect the dots. MS to CWW to JR.

I just wonder what put CWW on LE's radar so quickly but most of all, will CWW rat on his bro? I kind of doubt he will. Isn't that the "creed" with seasoned criminals? Don't snitch. Ever. Hopefully JR did have a clue as to the real motive bc my guess is he will roll over when the DP is put on the table as his other option.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/09/03/mark-sievers-suspicion-doctor-teresa-murder

Thanks for reposting this video. I had not seen this one with Nancy Grace. What I thought was interesting is that they briefly show 2 maps in that video. The first one is the direct route from St. Louis to Bonita Springs (less than 1200 miles) which I have taken so many times and not encountered any tolls, but the second map shows I-10, I-95, I-4 (maybe taken on the way home)? That route would probably have tolls. Interesting.....wonder what they were doing over that way because it would have been out of the norm to go that way to return to St. Louis.

 

[creepingskills]

I think these two posts by insider Amazon Rain speak very clearly to motive. I brought them over from the RHHC Medical Practice thread. I will just add that the most dangerous time is when a woman decides to leave her husband. JMO
Here is her main point from the second link:

When I think of motive, I think of how money and image and control of the girls are the most important things to MS. If TS left MS then his money, his image and his control of the girls would have changed. I think we are going to find out that the motive is that simple.​

BBM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?290119-Dr-Sievers-RHHC-Medical-Practice-Operations-amp-Website&p=12126079#post12126079

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...perations-amp-Website&p=12126106#post12126106​

If that's the case, then I wonder if TS had a plan to meet with someone Monday or Tuesday. A professional (lawyer, PI, therapist), who would be useful in that kind of situation.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

If that's the case, then I wonder if TS had a plan to meet with someone Monday or Tuesday. A professional (lawyer, PI, therapist), who would be useful in that kind of situation.

And good timing, with the husband and kids out of town. She could have wanted to get things started and not have to deal with the family immediately.

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[human]

And good timing, with the husband and kids out of town. She could have wanted to get things started and not have to deal with the family immediately.

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Certainly LE would know if there was an appt . MS could not know if there was an appt or he sure would not have her killed would he?

 

[Paulas88]

Here is the NG clip. At 4.56 he says in response to her question about tolls, they were able to "pretty much follow them". (Sorry about the Greico add!)

So to me, this says they did use tolls and to me, that is not a characteristic of a smart person. Even I would know better than that! This may seem be a little OT but my original post was the crime coming down to what makes the most sense. Connect the dots. MS to CWW to JR.

I just wonder what put CWW on LE's radar so quickly but most of all, will CWW rat on his bro? I kind of doubt he will. Isn't that the "creed" with seasoned criminals? Don't snitch. Ever. Hopefully JR did have a clue as to the real motive bc my guess is he will roll over when the DP is put on the table as his other option.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/09/03/mark-sievers-suspicion-doctor-teresa-murder

Good post MrsArk!

 

[LvsAMystry]

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As I said before, when I looked at facebook five minutes after the arrest of JRR, CWW stood out in such a dramatic way that I lost my breath (because he looked so similar to MS). If you checked out the comments on MS facebook and then checked each friend's page, a savvy LE officer could've been intrigued for further investigation within 24 hours of this crime. If the office of SMS has someone doing this type of trolling after a suspected hired hit, I wouldn't think it would've taken much time to connect the dots. Speaks to how arrogant those involved were when it came to how they thought they were going to get away with it -

I know exactly what you mean, I recall creeping on MS FB friends well before the arrests and I noticed CWW back then and was so confused. At first I even thought I stumbled on an "OMG he has a double life."

 

[Webjunkie]

<snip> I think we are going to find out that the motive is that simple.

That is what it looks like, and it is a nice and simple theory, however I am expecting more than a textbook 101-- husband hired hitman ending...
08-30-2015 Lee Co Sheriff confident in Sievers murder arrest..."It's no doubt the most complicated, fascinating set of circumstances that I've ever been in contact with in reality, or even in sort of the Hollywood atmosphere," Scott said. "Its a big deal."

 

[Batman's Mommy]

I would suggest reading the initial thread regarding the murder and then studying the timeline. There are a lot of peripheral players that can't be discussed because LE is being, thankfully, tight-lipped. Then check out the recent individual threads by reading the first and last 50 posts. That should give you enough info to develop some strong opinions and conclusions. This case has so many odd twists and turns that a synopsis isn't really possible. Good to see you over here!

Thanks, travelbug!! That was just what I needed!! Good to see you, too! Yes, this case is very intricate.

I keep thinking in regards to CWW, obviously a seasoned criminal, that his ego got the best of him. Maybe he thought they would never think it was him because he lived so far away, and why would he ever be considered a suspect?

Maybe hard core drug abuse for many years made him that bold, or just that blundering? And for his partner, JR, how many hitmen go about bragging about being "hitmen?" IMO, not very successful ones.

There still has to be something either from the home or in video from somewhere in close proximity to the home...neighbors video, street cams, something that pointed to him being the suspect so early on. If MS suggested that CWW did this, and MS is not involved, then that suggests to me that CWW had made some type of threats that would make MS point LE in his direction. Either that, or that was MS's plan all along.

Back to my reading...

:loveyou:

 

[mckazpm]

Could it not be as simple as JR's phone pinging the entire trip...afterall, he was smart enough to call his employer from FL right? dah!

 

[observation]

That is what it looks like, and it is a nice and simple theory, however I am expecting more than a textbook 101-- husband hired hitman ending...
08-30-2015 Lee Co Sheriff confident in Sievers murder arrest..."It's no doubt the most complicated, fascinating set of circumstances that I've ever been in contact with in reality, or even in sort of the Hollywood atmosphere," Scott said. "Its a big deal."

Well the killers did travel from far away, CWW is the husbands best friend.....we know so much more information than when Sheriff Scott made that statement on 8/30/15 ...... What I've learned from following here is a big deal and complicated.
In fact- many of us here were quite confused on 8/30/15 when he first made that statement, since we did not know what we do now.


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[creepingskills]

That is what it looks like, and it is a nice and simple theory, however I am expecting more than a textbook 101-- husband hired hitman ending...
08-30-2015 Lee Co Sheriff confident in Sievers murder arrest..."It's no doubt the most complicated, fascinating set of circumstances that I've ever been in contact with in reality, or even in sort of the Hollywood atmosphere," Scott said. "Its a big deal."

IMO the evidence is complicated and there is a lot of it (maybe due to staging). Perhaps some kind of 'frame up' element, planted evidence. For some reason, I think CWW put a lot of effort into shielding himself from prosecution.:jail:

 

[LvsAMystry]

Could it not be as simple as JR's phone pinging the entire trip...afterall, he was smart enough to call his employer from FL right? dah!

That's a definite possibility, especially with all running apps the smartphones have now that use location. I've also thought what about a gps, especially if using the ones on the phones, it's very easy to forget to clear the history on these.

 

[creepingskills]

Could it not be as simple as JR's phone pinging the entire trip...afterall, he was smart enough to call his employer from FL right? dah!

Could be. Unless his phone was powered off during the crime.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I think they had disposable phones for contact between ms and cww during and after the hit. This maybe why le can't fully connect ms at this moment. Jmo

 

[creepingskills]

I think they had disposable phones for contact between ms and cww during and after the hit. This maybe why le can't fully connect ms at this moment. Jmo

It might not help that MS & CWW being friends, talking on the day of the murder isn't out of the ordinary.