Dr. Teresa Sievers - Motives and Theories (Including MS speculation)

[Welshie]

Perhaps that statement was specifically for MS' ears.

 

[Lilibet]

But, but... what about JR' confession to his GF and the evidence including the bloody jumpsuits? I'm assuming it will have DNA from JR and/or CWW.

Great theory Nin, but this hangs me up too. How do you factor in the confession and jumpsuit? I'm sure you've thought of this.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Decoys to create entanglement for LE IMO

No offense, but to me, that doesn't make sense because CWW is already the prime suspect (for 20 years) in the disappearance/presumed murder of Ronnie Bolin. Why put your bud in the crosshairs for the murder of your wife? Why would CWW put himself in the bullseye? That's a huge gamble for both parties.

 

[human]

Didn't the Sheriff say there are probably going to be more arrests?

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Didn't the Sheriff say there are probably going to be more arrests?

Iirc, yes.

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[dmac55]

Didn't the Sheriff say there are probably going to be more arrests?

i think he has mentioned it more than once, but here is one:
http://www.news-press.com/story/new...odgers-curtis-wayne-wright-missouri/71478592/
Intricate investigation of Sievers murder explained by Sheriff

...Scott said: "We can't rule anything out, the way it has unfolded and the way it has started to mushroom in the last 10 days, I couldn't rule anything out, I can't rule out more arrests, more travel for our people."

Although two sit in jail in the death of the beloved doctor, "the investigation roars on," Scott said.

"They are two very, very significant stages in those investigation … but by no means, no means have we stopped, let up, pulled off the gas pedal," he said. "We believe there's still work to be done to make sure we have everyone and anyone who is responsible in some way for this tragedy."

 

[PeskySlueth]

Based on my opinion that MS was involved...

I feel like the delay we are seeing is because there is limited or no physical evidence to tie MS to the murder. I think he planned the whole thing, but if it was done verbally, it is going to take a lot to prove it. If he recently took out additional life insurance on TS (just speculating, I have no idea if that occurred), that would be suspicious, but it still does not tie him directly to the crime.

Any electronic communication between him and CWW and JR was probably cryptic. They aren't going to find an email that says, "OK, she'll be coming back by herself on Sunday, so implement our plan then."

However, by combing through all the evidence, LE may be able to come up with enough that shows motive and intent if, for example, JR or even CWW cracks. If MS was the mastermind, how long is CWW willing to take the rap? Friend or not, why would anyone be stupid enough to let the mastermind live his life in freedom while he pays with possibly his life? CWW's wife and family will have to live with the shame of him being a vicious monster, while MS looks like the victim.

LE needs to be meticulous in gathering all the evidence so that if/when CWW cracks all the evidence supports CWW's version and not MS'. It will be a he-said he-said. My hope is they already have all the evidence they need, but are finalizing processing and verification to make sure it is water-tight.

I'm convinced there is something MS didn't think of that will come back and get him. And he probably knows what it is and is wondering if/when LE is going to come across it. Probably just when we all think he is going to get away with it, the weight of the law will come down on him and a third arrest will be made.

Great post! I agree totally!

In a 20/20 episode years ago, a detective on a similar case, had arrested the **** hit man and waited a long time until arresting the husband master mind. LE knew the husband did it. After LE FINALLY arrested the husband a reporter asked why so long? Detective replied, 'we thought we had enough evidence to arrest the husband, but really wanted that slam dunk last piece to the puzzle. Plus, he knew that we knew he did it. We (LE) knew where he was every second. He knew we were tailing him and we knew it was taking it's psychological toll. Every day that went by, his nerves were getting so shot, he was closer to a meltdown. The better for us when we bring him in."

 

[PeskySlueth]

Great post! I agree totally!

In a 20/20 episode years ago, a detective on a similar case, had arrested the **** hit man and waited a long time until arresting the husband master mind. LE knew the husband did it. After LE FINALLY arrested the husband a reporter asked why so long? Detective replied, 'we thought we had enough evidence to arrest the husband, but really wanted that slam dunk last piece to the puzzle. Plus, he knew that we knew he did it. We (LE) knew where he was every second. He knew we were tailing him and we knew it was taking it's psychological toll. Every day that went by, his nerves were getting so shot, he was closer to a meltdown. The better for us when we bring him in."

I'm just saying there is probably someone sweating bullets around now.

 

[Paulas88]

I really believe the reason JR revealed the location of the jumpsuit/evidence to the GF, was to implicate CWW (he wasn't going down alone), and if that's true, did he know about MS' involvement?

If JR DID know of MS' involvement, and told the LE, but there was no tangible evidence, would/could they take JR' admission as fact? Is the LE looking for a solid to go along with JR' statement before they arrest MS?

 

[Stopwatch]

Along the lines of FightTheOstrich's brilliant observation about CWW changing his MO and leaving a body instead of "disappearing" TS...

If CWW was trying to hurt MS, why would he commit the murder knowing MS had such a great alibi (out of state with TS' family)? If they could be so easily confused with each other, why not do it when MS was in town, and if anyone saw him, use it to cast suspicion on MS.

And wouldn't "disappearing" TS have been even more cruel in a way? There would be speculation that TS left MS, and MS would also have to wonder about that, until some point when the body was found or it had been so long with no trace of her (no money taken, credit cards use, etc) that she was declared dead.

Nope. MS needed an alibi and a body and CWW came through for him.

 

[Helper9693]

I take exception to the word "mastermind"...really?...two people are in jail..and potentially more to follow. Nothing seems masterful about this plan...just several idiots thinking they could have pulled this off, got away with it...and not been caught. Which didn't happen as far as I can see....so far. IMO

 

[MinnesotaMary]

I was being driven nutZ :maddening:waiting on that '3rd and final' arrest, but it's been soooo long now that I'm in despair, so it'll be nice when it does FINALLY happen. Now I long to read the Complaints, etc., to get some docs' released---AND it sure will be interesting for us all to read those docs' and have it all make sense 'why' we had to be kept in the dark all this time.

What do we'all think the odds are that MS will take a normal day job, say LPN at starting pay of $16.50/hr. in a nursing home for indigent? Zippo... IMO How about odds on whether MS is studying the Want Ads for LPNs............hmmm

I don't think MS would have bought add'l life ins. on T close in time to the murder - that would be way too obvious.

I don't think it would have been realistically feasible (there in FL) for CWW & JR to have T 'disappear' - putting my head into the criminal's mind (as detectives and profilers are said to do...), the ONLY way would have been if MS got T to go to the MO wedding festivities - - they could have done a repeat IMO 'disappearing act' in rural MO, their home turf. HOWEVER, apparently MS had always kept T away from CWW, it seems, and T apparently had habits established for her vacations (& maybe would not have gotten excited at the thought of that particular social gathering...), and local MO police would zoom right in on CWW & JR (and I sure COULD tack on 2 more names... !!)

IMO the biggest risk factors about the murder as it took place in FL was for CWW & JR (1 or both) to get in & out of the Sievers home unnoticed. Perhaps in that area, those are the sorts of homes where the windows tend to be 'in the back' and the 'front', what faces the street, is mostly garage plus main entry door. AND perhaps, too, it's a sort of neighborhood full of fenced-in back yards, so people 'never' walked dogs in the street late at nite. Still, CWW & JR always had a risk that someone (a 20 y old getting home late from some party with pals...) would observe them as they entered & left.

I think JR brought the jumpsuit, etc., back as trophies, those items gave JR 'a high' IMO - - remember JR's FB posts about 'hammer...' I think JR is just a plain blabberpuss, too - remember JR said 'Hey boss, bye, I'm off to Fla. for the weekend to my 'bro's law school grad' party', and JR told his Lady that he going to Fla. that wkend. & would be back with $10K greens. IMO JR is a blibber blabberer. JR's trailer prob' DID get very quiet when JR got arrested IMO.

I LIKE the thoughts about how IF MS is behind all of this, it was all oral MS-CWW communications - NO PAPER TRAIL to be found, because MS knew not to make one.

As we all say, wow, so very sad about these 2 little girls, no matter what: It's awful 'as is', and has me cringe if those 2 little innocents wind up having to go through further traumatization.

What 'gets me' about this case is how T WORKED, and T's own earnings were obviously (IMO) siphoned off to be payment for 'a hit' on T, & T is the person who earned that money in an honest manner in the 1st place. What's wrong with this picture?

 

[No it's not]

Very Interesting! But if MS actually did it, why would he even involve CWW and JR?

Good question. Perhaps all three were at the house together, or at different times? Or not at all? Perhaps Dr S was attacked twice? Perhaps she survived the first attack? I hope we will find out what really happened. It may take some time.

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

Great theory Nin, but this hangs me up too. How do you factor in the confession and jumpsuit? I'm sure you've thought of this.

Not sure about the confession. JR could have told his GF anything. The blood on the jumpsuit- if it was blood- has yet to be explained. We don't even know if it is human..And yet, even if it is directly related to the murder, who wore it? Are there 2 jumpsuits or just one? Was there any other additional clothing? Any other clothing with blood?

The confession and the jumpsuit would not contradict MS' direct involvement. He could have been there with them, before them or after them. Just my thoughts.

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

Also, re-posting this link from the NDN/ JL, where Sheriff Mike Scott is saying that 'detectives had established a "very tight time frame" and were "all but certain" of the reason Sievers was killed'. The 'very tight time frame' is interesting, when I look at the theory, that directly involves MS.

Keep in mind, it is only a theory, and nothing but a theory..

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime/new-clues-emerging-in-death-of-bonita-doctor_45921256

 

[creepingskills]

Very Interesting! But if MS actually did it, why would he even involve CWW and JR?

I think if MS involved CWW, it was because of their bond, trust, a sense of loyalty. JR, IMO, was subcontractor that MS didn't have to know about.

 

[No it's not]

I think if MS involved CWW, it was because of their bond, trust, a sense of loyalty. JR, IMO, was subcontractor that MS didn't have to know about.

I had to think about JR's employer stating, that the Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday until 5pm were JR's regular days off. What a coincidence, he did not even have to take any days off! Or, like you are saying, was JR subcontracted "just in case" or being set up..

Like, where JR's employer is saying the above:

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime/new-clues-emerging-in-death-of-bonita-doctor_45921256

 

[creepingskills]

I had to think about JR's employer stating, that the Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday until 5pm were JR's regular days off. What a coincidence, he did not even have to take any days off! Or, like you are saying, was JR subcontracted "just in case" or being set up..

Like, where JR's employer is saying the above:

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime/new-clues-emerging-in-death-of-bonita-doctor_45921256

Specifically, I meant subcontractor as in CWW is charged with a job; delegates some part of job to JR. But, reading your post it, also makes sense to me that JR was subcontracted "just in case" for a set up.

 

[Deleted member 159541]

I have it on pretty good authority that MS is fully accounted for in Connecticut for Sunday night and Monday morning and that he was not in Florida in any capacity until after Teresa was found.

 

[concernedmother]

I have it on pretty good authority that MS is fully accounted for in Connecticut for Sunday night and Monday morning and that he was not in Florida in any capacity until after Teresa was found.

Id love to hear how MS was acting Sunday night and Monday morning. Was he nervous? On his phone a lot? Shying away from people?