Drew Peterson's Trial *FOURTH WEEK*

[atthelake]

In Session Drew Peterson moved out of the house “in approximately 2000.” “Did you ever do anything with the children after school?” “Yes, sometimes I would walk home with them after school, and just wait with them until their mom came home . . . they had a garage door opener.” “After the defendant moved out, what kind of work would you do for Kathy?” “I would just watch the kids, while she was at work or at school.” “Did there come a time when you did any work to the house?” “Yes.” “What kind of work would you do to the house?” Objection. The defense asks for a sidebar.

I think it is very interesting how to keep trying to get in the garage door opener.

 

[Jackson44]

The Herald-News ‏@Joliet_HN

Burmila has asked media to remain ensconced in the overflow room as a juror may be moving through the hallway. #DrewPeterson

 

[Jackson44]

Still nothing from InSession...

 

[Jackson44]

In Session Judge Burmila is back on the bench. “The issue involving the juror was resolved, and the juror will remain seated.” He then sends for the witness, and the jury returns to the courtroom.

 

[borndem]

Regarding the Jury clothing issue. Of course their duty should be taken seriously. Having said that all the "pop tarting" perhaps this is just a way for them to deal. Deal mentally. We all look for ways to lighten the load under very stressful circumstances. As long as they deliberate seriously i don't see this as a huge issue :moo:

I agree, Bravo -- I had mentioned earlier about a trial in Raleigh, NC, that I watched and with which I was very emotionally involved. Husband kills wife. The chief DT atty was IMO essentially obstructionist and persistently cried, "Your Honor, I want to be heard," so off the poor jury would trot to the jury room while there were numerous sidebars and offers of proof.

Every now & then, especially in the mornings before the jury was 1st brought in for the day, we could hear them laughing and talking -- certainly not every morning, but the judge remarked to the courtroom that it sounded like they were getting along well. They celebrated one juror's birthday with a cake another juror had brought. But the trial wore on & on -- and the jurors had been told it was projected to last around 4--6 weeks, so they knew that it would not go quickly -- and it didn't.

Despite all the camaraderie that was present --but never in the courtroom, where they were always attentive and serious, the judge received a note from one of the jurors that read, "..... When do we get our lives back?...." Nothing ugly, etc., but they were ready for it to be over, but the note did not make it sound as if they were going to rush anything when it came time to come to a verdict. (Guilty, btw.)

As we all know, juries can be very "unto themselves," cohesive, and a "band of brothers/sisters" sort of thing -- they are, indeed The Jury, and for the most part, that is good. I think that is what we are seeing here. No disrespect, but just a little something that they can do, since they are so very limited on so many other things that they cannot control.

JMO

 

[Jackson44]

In Session The jurors are back, and the prosecution resumes its direct. “After the defendant moved out, did you do any work on the house?” “Yes . . . I helped her change her locks to the front door and the garage door . . . both the deadbolt and the bottom lock.” “Would you have occasion to continue to babysit after the defendant moved out?” “Yes.” “When you would go to the house, how would you see Tom and Kris?” “I would ring the doorbell.” “How many times did you go over to see Tom and Kris?” “Multiple times a week.”

 

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In Session “Did there come a time when you learned that Kathy had a boyfriend?” “Yes, Steve Maniaci.” “Did you meet Steve Maniaci?” “Yes.”

 

[WindyCityGirl]

have chest pains, muscle aches, fatigue.....a whole host of maladies are the result of stress/anxiety/depression. When you are that stressed it isnt uncommon to feel like you are having a heart attack too. Even if she had taken a bath feeling like that, there isn't anything in the area that would have caused the gash on her head.....that wasn't caused by her medical state. I am so tired of the denial in this thing. I am praying that the jury can see the light.
I really feel for Kathleen. She must have been truly in a living hell.

I think the fact that she suffered from enormous stress would be a possible explanation for dizziness. Also her taking anti anxiety pills could be another explanation for dizziness, but IMO I think that the medication alone was not enough to make her pass out, and if she felt dizzy I don't think she would have wanted to take a bath. JMO.

 

[Jackson44]

In Session “Did there come an occasion when you took a photograph of Kathleen Savio?” “Yes . . . it was in 2003 . . . that’s Kathleen Savio.” “Was she working when you took this photograph?” “Yes.” “Why did you take that particular photograph?” “There were just a couple of pictures left on a digital photograph, and I just snapped some pictures.” The witness is then asked about the weekend that Savio died. “My family and I had been on vacation in Florida, and had just gotten back on Friday.” “What kind of relationship did you have with Kathy?” “Kathy was like a second mother to me . . . I was over there a lot of the time, hanging out with the boys. And Kathy was always there.” “On Saturday, Feb. 28, did you see Kathy that day?” “Yes, in the afternoon. She was unloading groceries out of her car, and she came over and talked to us . . . I went over to help her unload groceries out of her vehicle, and went inside her house for lunch. I was just in the kitchen.” He describes the layout of Savio’s kitchen. “What were you talking about?” “I was just telling her about my vacation; I had also brought over some of the stuff that we brought back from Florida . . . she made us both a salad.’ “Recall what she was wearing?” “She had on a T-shirt and some sweat pants.” “Did you observe anything unusual about Kathy that day?” “Nothing out of the ordinary.” He was at Kathy’s house for 45 minutes to an hour. That day, Tom and Kris were at their father’s.

 

[Jackson44]

In Session After having lunch, he went back to his own home. Around 4:00, he and his parents left to go to a family party. “I know we got home around midnight . . . I noticed Kathy’s bedroom light was on . . . there were no vehicles in the driveway.” “Did you see any vehicles in the driveway that night, or in the street area?” “No.” “What other lights did you see?” “None that I saw . . .outside lights were off.” “What did you do then?” “Just went to sleep; it was late . . . on Sunday, I called over to Kathy’s house, to see if she wanted any pasta for dinner . . . we have a big meal, spaghetti and meatballs.” “Did you get any response?” “No, there was no response . . . I thought I would just go over there with the pasta, in case she would answer the door . . . the screen door was unlocked. I rang the doorbell; there was no answer. I tried to look in the side window; all I saw was the cat, at the top of the stairs. I just went home, and told my family I didn’t think she was home, because there was no answer.” “Do you recall what you did that night?” “No, I really didn’t do much that night.”

 

[Jackson44]

In Session Monday was a holiday, so he didn’t have school. “I had CCD, and then I went to a friend’s house. Then I went home . . . I had just gotten Season One of THE SIMPSONS . . . and then the doorbell rang [this was at approximately 10:00 pm].” “Where were you when the doorbell rang?” “Inside my bedroom . . . it was Drew Peterson, asking if we had heard from Kathy.” “Know who answered the door?” “My mother did . . . I could hear Drew Peterson, and then when I walked out I could see Drew Peterson. He was in his police uniform . . . he’d been trying to bring the kids home, and he hadn’t had any communication with Kathy . . . I called Kathy’s house; I called her cell phone a couple times. There was no response. My mother got off the phone with Steve [Maniaci]; Steven hadn’t heard from her either.” According to Nick, Peterson wanted them to go into the home, to make sure everything was OK.
Monday was a holiday, so he didn’t have school. “I had CCD, and then I went to a friend’s house. Then I went home . . . I had just gotten Season One of THE SIMPSONS . . . and then the doorbell rang [this was at approximately 10:00 pm].” “Where were you when the doorbell rang?” “Inside my bedroom . . . it was Drew Peterson, asking if we had heard from Kathy.” “Know who answered the door?” “My mother did . . . I could hear Drew Peterson, and then when I walked out I could see Drew Peterson. He was in his police uniform . . . he’d been trying to bring the kids home, and he hadn’t had any communication with Kathy . . . I called Kathy’s house; I called her cell phone a couple times. There was no response. My mother got off the phone with Steve [Maniaci]; Steven hadn’t heard from her either.” According to Nick, Peterson wanted them to go into the home, to make sure everything was OK.

 

[Jackson44]

In Session “We all convened around this little stoop that was right outside the door . . . from what it looked like, there were no lights on in the house.” After the locksmith opened the door, Steve Carcerano, his mother, his father, and this witness entered the house. “Steve and my mother went upstairs; my father and I went into the kitchen.” Peterson “stayed outside . . . he wanted to make sure that Kathy didn’t come home and see Drew in her home; she would be upset . . . when I walked in the kitchen, there was an open carton of orange juice still on the counter; I put the cap back on it and put it in the refrigerator . . . she was the kind of person who would put it away and would be on the kids about putting things away. I opened the microwave; there was a mug of water in the microwave . . . I went to the garage, to check and see if her car was in the garage.” “Was the door locked?” “The door was deadbolted; it was locked. I saw her car was in the garage; at that point I headed toward the staircase.”

 

[Jackson44]

In Session Despite his father’s instructions not to go upstairs, the witness went up. At that time, his mother and Steve Carcerano were looking through her bedroom. “I observed Steve entering the bathroom; the door had been creaked open, it wasn’t closed . . . the door looked like it had been closed, touching the wood, but not all the way in the latch . . . I observed Steve walking into the bathroom, turning the light on; my mother was following Steve.” “What’s the next thing you recall?” “My mother going into the bathroom and screaming . . . I did go fully into the bathroom, just enough to see her in the tub.” “Where did you go next?” “I just kind of stood back; I leaned against her bed. Drew did come upstairs . . . I don’t think he had anything in his hands. My father was upstairs with us; he came upstairs after he heard my mother scream. “I left the house at this point; I was kind of in shock. I just went home . . . I went upstairs and tried to go to sleep.” “Did you see your mom and dad later that night?” “Yeah, I was tossing and turning, I couldn’t sleep. I saw them downstairs, but I just stayed in the house.”

 

[Jackson44]

In Session The next day, Tuesday, the witness did not go to school. He saw Drew, Stacy, and Stephen Peterson at Savio’s house. “Did you go over to Kathy’s house that day?” “No.” “Where did you see him?” “I saw him gong into the house, and taking stuff out.”

 

[Jackson44]

n Session The direct examination of Nick Pontarelli is now concluded, and defense attorney Joe Lopez begins his cross. “What time did you make this observation of Mr. Peterson and his son at the house?” “It was early in the morning, probably 9:00 or 10:00?” “Did you see Susan or Anna Doman there?” “No, but I know that they were there that day.” “You never saw Drew and Anna and Susan and Henry that day together?” “Never together.” “Did you know Angela?” “Yes . . . she’s Susan’s daughter.” “Did you see her there?” “No.” “She’s married, right?” “I don’t know.” “You didn’t see her there that day?” “No.”

 

[Jackson44]

In Session The witness estimates that he and Savio had lunch around 1:00 pm on Saturday, Feb. 28. “You were very close to her?” “Right.” ‘And you were also very close to Tom and Kris?” “Right.” “How long were you there?” “Forty-five minutes to an hour.” “You were close to the family?” “Yes.” “Even when Drew was living there?” “Yes.” “Drew was fun, wasn’t he?” “Yeah.” “You enjoyed your relationship with Tom and Kris?” “Yes.” “Since Kathy’s death, you’ve at least been in touch with Tom through Facebook?” “Yes.”

 

[borndem]

Ugh. All this seizure crap.....
To me it's common sense that IF she slipped and fell, SOMEthing SOMEwhere would have blood on it from the gash on the back of her head. Unless there's gonna be some defense expert to testify that she cleaned up the mess as she fell.....and ate the towel? Seems they would've found that towel during the autopsy.

What other options are there? That she pushed it down the closed bathtub drain? Walked over to the toilet to flush the towel?

:clap:Thanks so much for the bit of sarcasm, fifteen89 -- it made me LOL --:silly: -- we haven't gotten many opportunities to do that, so this was a breath of fresh air. But -- I did not miss the point you made. Well said.

 

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In Session Pontarelli says that there was a time when Drew lived in the basement. “You have a porch?” “Yes.” “Where is your bedroom at?” “The rear of the house.” “Do you have a side window that looks at that house?” “No.”

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I agree, Bravo -- I had mentioned earlier about a trial in Raleigh, NC, that I watched and with which I was very emotionally involved. Husband kills wife. The chief DT atty was IMO essentially obstructionist and persistently cried, "Your Honor, I want to be heard," so off the poor jury would trot to the jury room while there were numerous sidebars and offers of proof.

Every now & then, especially in the mornings before the jury was 1st brought in for the day, we could hear them laughing and talking -- certainly not every morning, but the judge remarked to the courtroom that it sounded like they were getting along well. They celebrated one juror's birthday with a cake another juror had brought. But the trial wore on & on -- and the jurors had been told it was projected to last around 4--6 weeks, so they knew that it would not go quickly -- and it didn't.

Despite all the camaraderie that was present --but never in the courtroom, where they were always attentive and serious, the judge received a note from one of the jurors that read, "..... When do we get our lives back?...." Nothing ugly, etc., but they were ready for it to be over, but the note did not make it sound as if they were going to rush anything when it came time to come to a verdict. (Guilty, btw.)

As we all know, juries can be very "unto themselves," cohesive, and a "band of brothers/sisters" sort of thing -- they are, indeed The Jury, and for the most part, that is good. I think that is what we are seeing here. No disrespect, but just a little something that they can do, since they are so very limited on so many other things that they cannot control.

JMO

Didn't someone say that the other day two people (were they lawyers?) wore the same suit or something? I didn't pay much attention because I couldn't see them and didn't really care. Did the jurors begin wearing the same color after that? They need to amuse themselves some way. They can't wear sunglasses!

 

[Jackson44]

In Session In a photograph of Savio’s home, he points out her bedroom and bathroom windows. He says Savio’s cat was named “Tess,” but can’t remember where its litter box was. He says he was also close with Susan Doman, Kathleen’s sister. “Did you know her sister, Anna?” “Yes . . . I never met her father, Henry.” “Ever see her father at the house?” “Never.”