Drew Peterson's Trial *THIRD WEEK*

[katydid23]

Yes they did. IIRC, there were about 200 or so selected for the jury pool about 2 years ago before the trial was delayed. That original group was later called back when choosing the current jurors and alternate jurors.

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I think fifteen was asking if any of those potential jurors who admitted to watching the DP film ever made it onto the jury. I am going to say 'no.' JMO

 

[panthera]

Doesn't seem very staged to leave the spot cleaner out for all to see.

Perhaps he didn't use it for anything and it was already out (of a cupboard)?

 

[katydid23]

Doesn't seem very staged to leave the spot cleaner out for all to see.

It is easy to overlook little details when you have just murdered your ex-wife, imo.

 

[Cubby]

Doesn't seem very staged to leave the spot cleaner out for all to see.

That's presuming Drew is brilliant enough to commit the perfect crime. I happen to believe in all cases perps make mistakes. It's just a matter of which mistakes will be found by those investigating.

I posted upthread I have used Spot Shot for many years. It completely removed all evidence of a full glass of wine in my 1 mo old carpet years ago, and it completely removed all evidence of blood tracked across my entire living room into the kitchen when my former roomate cut his foot on the iron stair railing.

Maybe Drew brought up the wine, that no one found just in case someone saw evidence of a spill. Maybe that is why the spot shot was there, to clean up blood and wine evidence. Maybe Drew put the cart before the horse and that is evidence not uncovered due to the initial sloppy investigation into this case.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, it was late Saturday night that KS called her boyfriend about something she was upset about.

I have this nagging feeling that there is a big defense bus headed his way when they get to present their case. I hope he has a good alibi besides 'he was
home asleep, alone.' Because I think they are going to try to point fingers at him. And the neighbor boy as well, it seems.

 

[Cubby]

I think fifteen was asking if any of those potential jurors who admitted to watching the DP film ever made it onto the jury. I am going to say 'no.' JMO

Oh, ok, thanks. I'm back and forth here. Doing stuff and then coming back to the thread.... and the kiddo just got home and got his new New Super Mario Bros 2 for 3ds. now he is asking me to look up cheats, lol. bbs.

 

[WindyCityGirl]

testimony>

To me it doesn't make sense to say he needs something other than a PT mistake to let in the testimony. ???? Why would a PT error + ANYthing make it admissible?

I'm trying to catch up here and have a headache after reading all this weeks' crap.

 

[WindyCityGirl]

to her throat....Now I am entertaining the possibility of the toilet drowning which I never had really thought about before.....her clavicle region being thrust against the commode while she was being drown in the flush would make sense. She would be on her knees at the toilet too which would account for those bruises.
The contusion on her that is "all the way to the bone" would have to indicate force other than something that would occur in a fall or rough sex.
During the cross exam, her boyfriend didn't say that they were into any such thing such as BDSM etc... The Shark certainly wouldn't have missed that possible spin.
These are not rug burns from intense lovemaking.

from the trial transcript link I previously posted - here is an overview of Savio's condition & injuries (culled both from autopsy #1 by Mitchell and autopsy #2 by Blum)

• tongue was clenched between her teeth
• water "wrinkling" evident on left hand only
• 1x3" abrasion on left buttocks (in orig autopsy there was a bruise, but bruise not evident in 2nd autopsy)
• brain swelling present (normal w/drowning)
• water in the sinuses
• 1" linear laceration to the left side of back of head - caused by object with an edge & it was a light force injury
• negative toxicology
• deep contusion on right lower abdomen - orig autopsy showed 3 distinct bruises but at 2nd autopsy it had evolved into 1 large bruise - contusion all the way to the bone
• blood on nose & cheek from head laceration
• bruise on left breast
• hemorrage on both clavicle areas
• contusion on front left thigh
• bruising on both shins
• abrasions left side of arm
• 2 lesions left elbow
• 2 linear abrasions on right hand - 1 on back of hand oval crater patterned abrasion and the other non-patterned
• blood smears on her back

Blum testified that all bruises & contusions were on front side of body. Scalp laceration & abrasions on back side w/exception of 1 on the arm. There was no bruising to the buttocks or back that normally would be present if someone had fallen in the tub.

 

[Wishbone]

I have this nagging feeling that there is a big defense bus headed his way when they get to present their case. I hope he has a good alibi besides 'he was
home asleep, alone.' Because I think they are going to try to point fingers at him. And the neighbor boy as well, it seems.

I've been thinking that way since I found out they were fighting and KS called him late Sat night except........JB said just the other day that the defense was going to stay with the accident theory, but, and thats a big but things could rapidly change. It seems logical cause doubt concerning the boyfriend since there is no physical evidence to tie anyone to the crime. And now you bring up the neighbor boy, please share as I didn't know anything about him.......

 

[katydid23]

I've been thinking that way since I found out they were fighting and KS called him late Sat night except........JB said just the other day that the defense was going to stay with the accident theory, but, and thats a big but things could rapidly change. It seems logical cause doubt concerning the boyfriend since there is no physical evidence to tie anyone to the crime. And now you bring up the neighbor boy, please share as I didn't know anything about him.......

The defense threw a few weird comments out to the jury already. These comments made me believe they were going to go after the kid at some point. But he was only 14 or so I believe. So I have major doubts concerning his involvement.

 

[WindyCityGirl]

is the son of Mary Ponterrelli (sp?) the next door neighbor who found Kathleen's body had a crush on Kathleen. They said that he had wanted to spend the night with Kathleen and Mary replied that "that was a NO"
The boy was with them when they went to look for Kathleen's body...he walked to the garage to see if her car was there while Mary and another neighbor/friend Steve went upstairs while innocent Drew waited downstairs to find out what was going on with Kathleen.

They also mentioned that the boy had a picture of Kathleen sitting on the tub. I don't know if anyone here has had a chance to see that photo. I am wondering if it is indecent......they were also implying that she feared that the neighbors were spying on her (that she was paranoid or perhaps implying that the neighbor boy had a sexual fantasy or was peeking in at her)

Does anyone know anything about that photo of Kathleen sitting on the side of the tub allegedly taken by that boy?

Adding, I agree that the whereabouts of Steve Maniachi were complicated, but I think that the police actually did investigate him thoroughly. I think the fact that his home was broken into wasn't a coincidence.....it was too close to the sequence of events.....I suspect that Drew himself broke into the house to threaten Steve and/or try to plant evidence to pin the murder on him.

I've been thinking that way since I found out they were fighting and KS called him late Sat night except........JB said just the other day that the defense was going to stay with the accident theory, but, and thats a big but things could rapidly change. It seems logical cause doubt concerning the boyfriend since there is no physical evidence to tie anyone to the crime. And now you bring up the neighbor boy, please share as I didn't know anything about him.......

 

[Cubby]

to her throat....Now I am entertaining the possibility of the toilet drowning which I never had really thought about before.....her clavicle region being thrust against the commode while she was being drown in the flush would make sense. She would be on her knees at the toilet too which would account for those bruises.
The contusion on her that is "all the way to the bone" would have to indicate force other than something that would occur in a fall or rough sex.
During the cross exam, her boyfriend didn't say that they were into any such thing such as BDSM etc... The Shark certainly wouldn't have missed that possible spin.
These are not rug burns from intense lovemaking.

BBM. Especially with the toilet seat up. Being a girl, for some reason I had forgotten to consider a toilet drowning with the seat up. Seat up is very plausible for the location of the bruises on the clavical area.

 

[atthelake]

What if the toilet bowl theory is correct, wouldn't it be possible she wasn't kneeling but rather her body weight resting on her shins as she was being held down from behind with her head submerged in the bowl? If it is a tile floor with grout I could envision injury to her shins.

Not that I intend to try this re-enactment!

I am not owing you. If head in toilet, what were her two shins uplifted on and causing that bruise on both shins? That IMHoO is not merely.her on her knees as the shins needed to have a one to two inch bruise horizontally

 

[WindyCityGirl]

wanted the discussion of marriage to be on the table.....she wanted to get married. Steve didn't say that she felt that they never would nor did he indicate that he didn't want to marry Kathleen either. He acknowledged how much he loved her.

Thanks for that! Also, wasn't it Sat nite,late, that she called her boyfriend and said something about him never going to marry her.....I think they were having a spat because he wouldn't come over Sat nite? Am I right?

 

[fifteen89]

I think fifteen was asking if any of those potential jurors who admitted to watching the DP film ever made it onto the jury. I am going to say 'no.' JMO

Yes, I was.....thanks katy!

 

[fifteen89]

I think the crime occured while they were deep asleep.

I was responding to Livingthedream's post that Kathleen's hair was possibly still wet because she was killed an hour or two before her body was found....saying it would be interesting if the children helped support that possibility someday when remembering/talking about their activities with Drew that day/weekend.

 

[LambChop]

Doesn't seem very staged to leave the spot cleaner out for all to see.

Maybe he did not see it because he did not use it??? Kathy may have spilled something earlier and cleaned it up. jmo

 

[atthelake]

The defense threw a few weird comments out to the jury already. These comments made me believe they were going to go after the kid at some point. But he was only 14 or so I believe. So I have major doubts concerning his involvement.

Hey Katy, would love to hear what you at this time have as a reasonable doubt as to the next door neighbor juvenile. Thanks.

 

[fifteen89]

The deadbolt on the br door scares me, but not in a dv kind of way. It freaks me out to think about firefighters getting into a deadbolted interior door.

I don't think it's relevent now as in today, but I gotta wonder why Kathleen did not install an alarm system. Even if she did not necessarily trust the police, the alarm company would have record. I don't mean this to bash the victim, I just can't help wonder why the choice of the dead bolts versus an alarm.

Don't know what "dv" is......firefighters getting past a deadbolted door doesn't concern me. The fact that Kathleen (or anyone) feels fear to the point of actually installing a deadbolt on their bedroom door does. I've thought about being in that position and I just can't get there.

 

[Cubby]

I have this nagging feeling that there is a big defense bus headed his way when they get to present their case. I hope he has a good alibi besides 'he was
home asleep, alone.' Because I think they are going to try to point fingers at him. And the neighbor boy as well, it seems.

KS called the boyfriend. I am going to assume phone records are part of his alibi. Especially if she called him at his home on a landline. If not, if he had a cell he answered from his home hopefully the pros have ping records showing his cell pinged off the nearest tower to his home. (or traingulated off towers near his home.)

Let's not forget Drew already put out there in his own words he was not home part of Sunday am. I'm really interested in hearing more about his Sunday morning trip for Krispy Kreme doughnuts.