Dunkin' Donuts yanks Rachel Ray Ad

[philamena]

Just for once I'd like to see a celebrity get up and say "IT'S A F*****G SCARF. GET OVER IT!!!"

bahaaaaaa :clap::clap::clap:

 

[absinthe]

Well that's the thing. Symbols only have the meaning we give to them. How is a piece of rope, racist? It's not..I don't understand you here.

Rightly or wrongly, it's what we use to identify people. If you see a guy walking down the street wearing a swastika, you make assumptions about him. If it was a Buddhist-style swastika, I would assume he was Buddhist. If it was a black swastika enclosed in a white circle with a red background, I would assume he was a Nazi sympathizer. It would take far more than a simple head scarf to make me assume that someone was a terrorist.

(Maybe he's Hindi, see?) Hindi is a language.

Jmo..

 

[Moe]

Just a theory, but perhaps if people don't like the scarf she is wearing they could change the channel ...
I know, that's just crazy talk

I change the channel every time I see the woman, she's every where you go... there seems to be no escaping her.

 

[MissieMt]

I am speaking of the temper tantrums people threw in order to bully Dunkin Donuts into pulling the ad.

Some observers, including ultra-conservative Fox News commentator Michelle Malkin, were so incensed by the ad that there was even talk of a Dunkin’ Donuts boycott.

I also consider boycotting them a temper tantrum ( a rather passive aggresive one), but thats just imo. It's sad to see that people won't even allow a person to wear a scarf on t.v. because it hurts their feelings.
Seriously, do people honestly think Rachael Ray was trying to advocate or support Arab men or their behaviors by wearing that scarf?!

 

[absinthe]

Yeah, I don't like her either...actually, the thing I find most offensive is that Racheal Ray would wear that kaffiyeh in the first place.

 

[MissieMt]

I change the channel every time I see the woman, she's every where you go... there seems to be no escaping her.

LOL, I haven't liked her since the first time she said "E.V.O.O." like she was too busy to actually say "extra virgin olive oil"

 

[Hopeful One]

I am speaking of the temper tantrums people threw in order to bully Dunkin Donuts into pulling the ad.


I also consider boycotting them a temper tantrum ( a rather passive aggresive one), but thats just imo. It's sad to see that people won't even allow a person to wear a scarf on t.v. because it hurts their feelings.
Seriously, do people honestly think Rachael Ray was trying to advocate or support Arab men or their behaviors by wearing that scarf?!

:clap::clap:
I'm sooooooooo sick of people griping and moaning and insisting, "Remove that! Take that down! Don't wear that! That reminds me of something I don't like! It hurts my feelers, therefore it must be destroyed." How about this - DON'T LOOK!?!?

Wow, that was tough.

 

[Karole28]

It's not..I don't understand you here.

It is, if it's shaped like a noose.

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If it was a Buddhist-style swastika, I would assume he was Buddhist. If it was a black swastika enclosed in a white circle with a red background, I would assume he was a Nazi sympathizer. It would take far more than a simple head scarf to make me assume that someone was a terrorist.

I don't see a lot of Buddhist-style swastikas, anywhere.

I think you're being a tad disingenuous, here.

Hindi is a language..

Oh right, my brain snoozed.

 

[Karole28]

I am speaking of the temper tantrums people threw in order to bully Dunkin Donuts into pulling the ad.

That's the great thing about the US. If you don't like something, you're allowed to boycott.

I also consider boycotting them a temper tantrum ( a rather passive aggresive one), but thats just imo. It's sad to see that people won't even allow a person to wear a scarf on t.v. because it hurts their feelings.

How would you rather the American people have their feelings known, exactly?

Seriously, do people honestly think Rachael Ray was trying to advocate or support Arab men or their behaviors by wearing that scarf?!

No, we think she's an idiot. I don't think she's supporting Arab "men" (?) But, like every other idiot who flashes their stylish Che shirt, they're promoting things they don't understand (or else, they're just being dou*ches and deserve a talking to)

 

[Karole28]

:clap::clap:
I'm sooooooooo sick of people griping and moaning and insisting, "Remove that! Take that down! Don't wear that! That reminds me of something I don't like! It hurts my feelers, therefore it must be destroyed." How about this - DON'T LOOK!?!?

Wow, that was tough.

Hurts your feelers? Must be destroyed?

Let's remain calm here.

If you're wearing a political statement, be prepared to deal with it.

Freedom of speech is a great thing. But it doesn't mean you won't get your a$$ kicked in the wrong part of town.

 

[absinthe]

It is, if it's shaped like a noose.

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I don't see a lot of Buddhist-style swastikas, anywhere.

I think you're being a tad disingenuous, here.

Oh right, my brain snoozed.

Hmmm...I wouldn't necessarily assume that a noose was racist, either. I think a lot of the Jena controversy occurred because the setting was Southern and already a racially charged environment.
I have had a few friends from Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia who had Buddhist swastikas tattooed on their hands as babies. I think it is a regional custom for some families in that areas. I also have seen a Buddhist temple in another neighborhood that has Buddhist swastikas incorporated in the decor.
The more we discuss this issue, the more I realize that this is a regional issue.

 

[Karole28]

Hmmm...I wouldn't necessarily assume that a noose was racist, either. I think a lot of the Jena controversy occurred because the setting was Southern and already a racially charged environment.

I was born and raised here and have NEVER equated a noose with anything but outlaws.
That has changed, across the US. (google "noose racial incident" and you'll be suprised at the hits you get)

Again, symbols only have the meanings we give them. But, (it must be a human characteristic universally) we use them to identify people, culture and politics.

A red or blue bandana doesn't mean a thing to me. But, I know in parts of California it does.

I have had a few friends from Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia who had Buddhist swastikas tattooed on their hands as babies. I think it is a regional custom for some families in that areas. I also have seen a Buddhist temple in another neighborhood that has Buddhist swastikas incorporated in the decor.
The more we discuss this issue, the more I realize that this is a regional issue.

It must be, because like the noose, a swastika means only one thing where I live.

 

[absinthe]

I was born and raised here and have NEVER equated a noose with anything but outlaws.
That has changed, across the US. (google "noose racial incident" and you'll be suprised at the hits you get)

Again, symbols only have the meanings we give them. But, (it must be a human characteristic universally) we use them to identify people, culture and politics.

A red or blue bandana doesn't mean a thing to me. But, I know in parts of California it does.



It must be, because like the noose, a swastika means only one thing where I live.

I think the kaffiyeh thing also. Not only is it tres en vogue around here rolleyes:) but there is a large Christian Arab population in California. I often see Arab American men wear a kaffiyeh on holidays, at weddings and baptisms, etc.

 

[Karole28]

I think the kaffiyeh thing also. Not only is it tres en vogue around here rolleyes:) but there is a large Christian Arab population in California. I often see Arab American men wear a kaffiyeh on holidays, at weddings and baptisms, etc.

One of my best friends (I've written about her here before) is a Christian from Saudi. She's just full of hair curling stories

 

[absinthe]

Ugh, the more I think about it, the more upset I am that Rachael Ray would so ignorantly expropriate a part of another culture...particularly one so sensitive - in several ways - as the Arab culture. Who was her stylist? Who was supervising the production of this commercial?

 

[Karole28]

Ugh, the more I think about it, the more upset I am that Rachael Ray would so ignorantly expropriate a part of another culture...particularly one so sensitive - in several ways - as the Arab culture. Who was her stylist? Who was supervising the production of this commercial?

It just signifies to me why the rest of the world feels like the west is so clueless.

Paris Hilton, Cameron Diaz, Lindsey Lohan, etc. It's just thoughtless dumbassery.

 

[absinthe]

It just signifies to me why the rest of the world feels like the west is so clueless.

Paris Hilton, Cameron Diaz, Lindsey Lohan, etc. It's just thoughtless dumbassery.

Lesson is: research what you wear!

 

[MissieMt]

Hurts your feelers? Must be destroyed?

Let's remain calm here.

If you're wearing a political statement, be prepared to deal with it.

Freedom of speech is a great thing. But it doesn't mean you won't get your a$$ kicked in the wrong part of town.

You're right-Freedom of speech is a great thing, for EVERYONE. Which means that if Dunkin Donuts wants to keep running that ad, whether they support her outfit or not-we should respect their right to do so. We can't pick and chose who has the right to express themselves.
Honestly, out of all of this what is sticking out to me the most is the promotion of stereotypes, and that promotion isn't being done by Rachael Ray or Dunkin Donuts.

 

[Karole28]

You're right-Freedom of speech is a great thing, for EVERYONE. Which means that if Dunkin Donuts wants to keep running that ad, whether they support her outfit or not-we should respect their right to do so. We can't pick and chose who has the right to express themselves.
Honestly, out of all of this what is sticking out to me the most is the promotion of stereotypes, and that promotion isn't being done by Rachael Ray or Dunkin Donuts.

Freedom of speech doesn't come without consequences. Especially for someone trying to get OUR money through their advertising.

Surely they can keep running it, they are free to do that. And, suffer the financial fallout.

I'm free to open a store and only cater to English speakers/women/men/whomever. I'll also be free to go under within a month of opening my doors.

 

[Karole28]

Lesson is: research what you wear!

Especially if it's political and you're in public!