DY and KH know Terri is lying

[Nana46]

Does anyone have the link to the recent Nightline report on Kyron? There was more of the Kaine, Desiree interview that was interesting. I can't find it....

Amster I think it was posted late Friday night...I had posted I think that Nightline was on and this would be on it.

 

[Amster]

Amster I think it was posted late Friday night...I had posted I think that Nightline was on and this would be on it.

Thanks!

 

[JBean]

Please check the topic of the thread before posting.
Where this post lands is random

 

[amysmom]

I am dealing right now with a woman who has lied about so many things, and she is cold, calculating and I have to tell ya, I was blindsided by her. this woman is mean, and feel above the law. Little things didn't add up, they were lies, but about stuff no one cares about. But I didn't see what was coming. I look back now, and can see how this was working on her part, hind sight is 20/20. I think that is what DY and Kaine are seeing, they are seeing the things that didn't add up, but weren't big at the time. If Terri is anything like the woman I am dealing with, she will take it to her grave unless they get her red handed and even then she will deny, deny, deny.

I think 20/20 more then applies to Kaine but not so DY..She claims to have seen from day 1 exactly WHO Terri is & I believe her.

Sorry for your troubles Bern..I hope you won't be "dealing" with this bad-news much longer!

 

[RandomThoughts]

Right...why would anyone have to lie about a child's bee sting? Just for lying's sake? To cover for something they did that looks a bit like a bee sting? Because it happened somewhere she wasn't supposed to be with the child?

So if Terri lied about the bee sting do they know for sure if Kyron is allergic to bees or not? How many times would an average seven-year-old have managed to be stung by bees? I've never been stung by a bee and I'm quite a bit older than Kyron.

BBM

My kids have managed to get stung by bees quite a few times, my seven year old somehow manages to get stung at least three times a year.

I'm an odd one, but I've never been stung by a live bee. Don't even know how I do it, but EVERY time I step out of the house with no shoes on I step on a dead bee and get stung on the bottom of my foot.

 

[Trident]

What I mean is that the focus should be on asking people for tips, telling them what to look for, imploring for his return, etc. etc. It's not necessarily about his personality, "how cute he is," but rather on what to be on the lookout for.

In my opinion, the focus should be on finding him, not on TMH. It's possible (probable even) that she may have committed the crime. But I feel like these statements and media articles are completely focused on TMH's mental state, her marriage to KH, the alleged murder for hire - we're not hearing about Kyron. Where is he? Does LE believe he is alive? If so, what should we be alert for? That, to me, is keeping the focus on Kyron. Right now, I feel like the focus more is on the sensational announcements from the family and the discord between TMH and the rest of Kyron's parents. Just look at the media coverage - how many times is TMH mentioned in comparison to Kyron in the articles? What is the focus? What's "selling" with the public?

Just my opinion, of course, but I really don't see these statements as keeping the focus on Kyron at all. :twocents:

Keeping the focus on Kyron would mean, to me, getting out there, beating the bushes, dogs, cadaver dogs if necessary, and actively SEARCHING for him.

My opinion only

 

[Amster]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/163297/ab...stepmother#http://www.hulu.com/feed/recent/tv

Found it...

 

[Nana46]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/163297/ab...stepmother#http://www.hulu.com/feed/recent/tv

Found it...

Good...I had also and was about to post the link for ya.

 

[AbbieNormal]

I wonder if Terri and Desiree got into it about something in the days before Kyron went missing. I`m suspicious about the fact that Kyron was supposed to visit with his mom on that weekend and then all of a sudden he`s gone. Desiree was instantly suspicious of her, from her comments on the presser.

From tonight`s presser, Desiree stated that she`s known Terri for a long time. Didn`t she previously clear up the fact that she was NOT FRIENDS with Terri when Kyron was born:waitasec: I thinks there is confusion about them being friends or knowing each other for a long time.

In the very beginning we were getting little snippets here and there of information. We didn't know yet that Terri was a chronic liar. They interviewed one woman who was a friend of Terris out on the front porch of her home, and she was the one IIRC that clearly said that Terri knew Kyron from the time he was 3 days old and was friends w/ Desiree previously. So we all took that was a "fact."
Later Desiree says she was NOT friends with Terri and that Terri is a liar about things large and small. From that, I now personally deduce that Terri the liar told her FRIEND on the front porch some time ago that she was friends with DY, and knew Kyron from birth.(3 days old) I now know thats a lie, based on Desiree who I believe.
Deseree also said Terri lied about many things including the way she met Kaine. That statement there begs one to ask- huh? What does that mean? How DID she meet Kaine? She says she was a friend of DY and therefore helped DY's ex out with this child she had known for 3 days old because her 'friend' DY was sick and away for treatment.... LIE! DY has as much as said this whole yarn is a lie, so I am left to speculate that Terri was "friends" with Kaine, not Desiree. Now when you add that Desiree left Kaine when 8+ mos pregnant with Kyron, which is a pretty drastic thing for a pregnant woman to do, like I said before, I smell infidelity. Or something pretty rotten.
I won;t go on, as it will be interpreted as rumor. But I have been on this earth 52 years and can draw from life experience and add 2+2 and come up with a pretty good idea what was going on here. It may be true, it may not be. It may be a clue as to who, Terri, did something to Kyron, but the Why is still a mystery. Will it help locate where he is? Probably not. But it helps somewhat to understand the dynamics, so we can assume Terri is really the perp, and LE needs to look no further, needs to somehow get her to talk, because the searches have proven fruitless and I think they are running out of ideas. JMO

 

[amysmom]

Keeping the focus on Kyron would mean, to me, getting out there, beating the bushes, dogs, cadaver dogs if necessary, and actively SEARCHING for him.

My opinion only

It's also my opinion cos the reality IS poor little Kyron could be deceased & out there somewhere..I don't need to go into any morbid details but if he were my child (or not) I'd want him found ASAP! if this was the horrific conclusion.

I don't care what info they have he MAY still be alive..If there's still a chance he's not they must continue to actively SEARCH for him..I don't believe they did enough of that & with so much area to cover it may end up hopeless anyway but at least, for the family's sake & most of all Kyron's, he needs to be given the best possible shot to come HOME!

 

[cluciano63]

I have been staying away from this forum since Friday night (mostly hanging out in the Game Room, which is a nice change of pace) but I have to weigh in on something that bothers me more than anything else.

I have stuck pretty much with the theory that Terri is in this alone (if at all) and that it was not premeditated (which I know is a minority viewpoint.) Some things that have come up this weekend tend to confirm this for me, unless she is the worst planner in the world, i.e. the alleged bank records, cell activity, and whatever else LE is finding that contradicts her story. I know that people can make really dumb mistakes when committing crimes (i.e. Doug Stewart, apparently) but these things are so basic.

The thing that bother me the most and actually kind of chills my blood, if she killed Kyron, is the posting of his photo on FB that day (hope I can mention that-it has been in MSM, I'm pretty sure.) That is either an (extreme) example of a truly ice-veined sociopath or a desperate effort to try to make the day become "normal" again after something horrific has happened. I'm still leaning toward the second, and can't help but wonder if Terri has just totally removed herself from this whole tornado swirling around her. In her mind, perhaps, she had given her story (or stories) and as far as she is concerned, she has done her part.

 

[wondering1]

The thing that bother me the most and actually kind of chills my blood, if she killed Kyron, is the posting of his photo on FB that day (hope I can mention that-it has been in MSM, I'm pretty sure.) That is either an (extreme) example of a truly ice-veined sociopath or a desperate effort to try to make the day become "normal" again after something horrific has happened. I'm still leaning toward the second, and can't help but wonder if Terri has just totally removed herself from this whole tornado swirling around her. In her mind, perhaps, she had given her story (or stories) and as far as she is concerned, she has done her part.

She posted the pic before the bus came. So if she's innocent, it was just plain normal -- not an attempt to restore normalcy. If she's guilty, there's only one explanation that I can think of, which is the first option you mention. jmoo

 

[DairyGirl]

Right...why would anyone have to lie about a child's bee sting? Just for lying's sake? To cover for something they did that looks a bit like a bee sting? Because it happened somewhere she wasn't supposed to be with the child?

So if Terri lied about the bee sting do they know for sure if Kyron is allergic to bees or not? How many times would an average seven-year-old have managed to be stung by bees? I've never been stung by a bee and I'm quite a bit older than Kyron.

In Oregon, in the summer, we seem to have a lot of bees flying around. I can think of many picnics I have been on that they have ruined.

 

[gwenabob]

Since Kyron isn't her child, it's not hiding him out due to a custody issue. If she thought Kyron was being abused she'd call Desiree and Tony.
So, it leaves us with a few nefarious reasons. Either sold or traded him. Or wanted him for ransom, but where is the request for money?
This doesn't look good to me.
Does anyone have any references to step-mother/father abduction cases where she hid the child and later recovered? I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Maybe it was a ill conceived ransom plot that went south? Maybe she trusted an untrustworthy person (anyone wiling to hide, take or kidnap a child is a criminal and therefore cannot be trusted) and the took or sold Kyron and didn't follow her plan?
Portland has a large human trafficking problem- this worries me.
This is all just MOO up for speculation and theories.
If this is true the movie Fargo comes to mind. A complex ill conceived plot for ransom that goes wrong.

BBM

I have seen this referenced more than once. It is a big problem, but I would like to clarify that it isn't a "human" trafficking problem in that there are people of all ages and both sexes just being traded and sold like the slavery of old. It is more specific to young women--usually teen runaways or lured aways, and in one recent example, "loaned away" by her own father. Little seven year old boys aren't being nabbed out of their schools to be sold on the streets of Portland. Just wanted to clarify this.

 

[gwenabob]

That's fine....but remember to take it with a box of salt, in light of this particular officers questionable background of honesty. He is hardly a representative that the Portland Police or any other LE agency would choose to be interpreting their case for them. (See link below)

Also, remember that the MCSO came out after the very interview posted of DY and KH and said very explicitly that the information in the interviews DID NOT came from investigation sources.


http://wweek.com/editorial/3018/4872/

Raeann, unlike you, I actually live in Portland. Officer CW Jensen was a terrific Portland Police officer and highly respected among his fellow officers. He spent a long time as the "face" of the Portland Police. Yes, he did have some issues, but it mostly involved the nasty political maneuverings of others. I read his "story" now and it is something totally unrecognizable from the way I remember them. He was pretty much crucified for the sake of local political ladder climbing. I, as a citizen of Portland, who was around when it all went down, have a tremendous amount of respect for him listen closely to his sage opinions.

If some anonymous person who doesn't know you went to write a wiki article on you, I bet it would turn out a lot different that you and your close ones see you.

 

[gwenabob]

she may walk around "free" if LE can't nail her, but wait until she sees what her "free" is.

She better like living with her parents or in a homeless shelter somewhere.

Maybe she does have some friends without children that will take her in. But will they keep feeding her and buying clothes and gas for her?

And red hair dye?

 

[Donjeta]

BBM

Right--and I have no problem with that!!

Just a point--I don't think that saying that Terri still (to this day) doesn't remember what she did that day, as you feel DY said, is equivalent to lying about a timeline. IMO, those are two separate issues. Now, I personally haven't heard DY state that Terri lied about her timeline--I have heard her say that Terri is a liar and that Terri couldn't "tell you where she was".

No, I've never said that Terri doesn't remember what she did. I think she remembers quite well, she just doesn't want to tell it for some reason, and that's what I think DY meant as well because it was in the context of a discussion of Terri lying.

 

[miabellamoure]

What I mean is that the focus should be on asking people for tips, telling them what to look for, imploring for his return, etc. etc. It's not necessarily about his personality, "how cute he is," but rather on what to be on the lookout for.

In my opinion, the focus should be on finding him, not on TMH. It's possible (probable even) that she may have committed the crime. But I feel like these statements and media articles are completely focused on TMH's mental state, her marriage to KH, the alleged murder for hire - we're not hearing about Kyron. Where is he? Does LE believe he is alive? If so, what should we be alert for? That, to me, is keeping the focus on Kyron. Right now, I feel like the focus more is on the sensational announcements from the family and the discord between TMH and the rest of Kyron's parents. Just look at the media coverage - how many times is TMH mentioned in comparison to Kyron in the articles? What is the focus? What's "selling" with the public?

Just my opinion, of course, but I really don't see these statements as keeping the focus on Kyron at all. :twocents:

There is a very good reason for keeping TMH right up there at the focal point of the Kyron media coverage...to let her know there's going to be no where to go pretty soon but, to tell the truth.

As for LE's opinion on Kyron...they have always emphatically stated they believe he's alive until they have reason to believe otherwise.

As for my personal opinion on that...I think LE, Kyron's family & friends know the reality that lies ahead and are going through this one step at a time...and will cross that bridge when it comes.

 

[PortlandMama]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/163297/ab...stepmother#http://www.hulu.com/feed/recent/tv

Found it...

In the Nightline piece, Desiree asserts that she knew the Inquiry Expo (aka Science Fair) was supposed to run from 8 to 10, and that she had thought Terri intended to be there that whole time. This appears to be what clued her in immediately in her first phone conversation with Terri that something was off. This is potentially fairly damning if Terri was indeed expected by the school and by her family to be there to act as one of the parent chaperones for the smaller groups, but instead left. This would explain the seeming confidence of the teacher/school that they left together. I.e., both were expected, not just Kyron, both were missing, therefore, Kyron left in her care. I concede it still could be coincidental and is not proof that she was involved, but if this is the case it would shake my fence pretty hard. JMO.

 

[Donjeta]

So was Kyron not in class and no teacher/ school rep called the home?

Also, how did the conversation b/w bio mom and TH come about? Was Kyron already missing when Terri said to bio mom that she didnt "walk him to class?"

Hi kant! good to see you
Yes, Kyron was marked absent when the regular classes started at 10 am. and nobody called the home because it was not the school policy to do so (now they have installed an automated caller system) and possibly because they thought Kyron was with Terri on a doctor's appointment (not confirmed).

The conversation happened when the school secretary called DY when they had discovered Kyron missing after him not being on the school bus when the Hormans went to meet him.