DY and KH know Terri is lying

[RandomThoughts]

I was just thinking, what if KH and DY were sending a message to whoever they think may have Kyron? Like in a roundabout way they could have been saying "we know she lies, and she probably lied to you about why Kyron needed to be taken."

Then as I was getting things ready to go open the lake house I realized that this would only work if that person is actually in an area where they have news/contact with the outside world. When me and the kids are at the lake house we don't get cell signal, I don't have a land line there and there's no cable or internet. I could get all of that, but I can't see spending $100 a month for something that's only going to be used for one month out of the year, plus I really like the getting away from it ALL. The kids will be taking the wii, any games they want to play and any movies for rainy days, but with this case still going on I don't know if I will be able to stand being that cut off for that long.

 

[AbbieNormal]

I agree with this, except I will add that if, and it's a huge and improbable if, but if she has an accomplice who thought he or she was doing the right thing such as protecting Kyron from abuse, then that's another reason why someone could be caring for him and would be willing to risk everything for the sake of this child.

If Terri sold him or handed him off for nefarious reasons, then I believe there is no way someone would risk keeping him alive.

IMHO, I believe the only way Kyron is alive is if there was some sort of misguided but ultimately altruistic reason for abducting him.

I'm hesitant to believe there is an accomplice, but the biological parents insistence forces me to consider the possibility.

Sad to say, the only way I think poor Kyron is still alive is if he was taken by someone or Terri gave him to someone who wanted a little boy, like a Jaycee Dugard type of thing, not necessairly for sexual reasons but just wanted a little boy to call their own. I realize this is far fetched but its the only way I feel he'd still be alive. Any accomplice would know the heat is WAY up to find this child and would dump him- alive or not- and get the heck out of dodge.
I can't see anyone helping her. Not like shes a "femme fatale" and seduced some poor male sucker into helping her.
Her own behavior tells me she and she alone is the one who knows what happened to Kyron and where he is.
Wonder if the woods surrounding the general area where the Horman home is has been searched thoroughly. Its isolated and she wouldn't have to worry about being seen....a soft kill would leave no forensic evidence.....horrible to think about and write, but a possibility all the same... JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I too think he might end up being found nearby, if in fact Terri is guilty.

 

[Nana46]

I wonder what DY is speaking of when she says she refuses to put away Kyron's laundry or make up his bed? She must be speaking of her home where she lives...but Kyron hadn't been there to sleep in his bed or use clothing. If she was referring to Kaine's and Terri's home, then why would it be her decision whether or not to make up the bed or put up the clothes? I can certainly understand the sentiment but just not the practical side of what she is saying.

I kinda was confused as well when I heard her but was assuming she had not made up his bed from his last visit.....and after losing my child in an accident I can tell you I wanted nothing of his moved or changed....we went to the funeral home at some point, returned home and his bike had been moved off the porch....I lost it....that bike had to be returned...no one meant harm...they thought they were helping me not to have to see it....I wanted his clothes, his smell to remain forever....I sent for his clothes he was wearing when the car hit him.....I wanted those clothes to smell him one more time........I got the clothes but the hospital had washed them....it was probably best that they did since I have learned lots since that time...but I wanted anything he touched to remain....and that included smelling his sheets and his pillow.......DY doesn't want these things changed I would assume until she knows one way or the other, IMO.........God walk with her through this is my prayer.

 

[Melanie]

The police have been wrong before. They aren't infallible. I agree, though, and even though a little of me suspects TH had something to do with it, I have to admit, based on the "evidence" against her so far (and I use the term loosely) I haven't seen anything concrete that points exclusively to her. Lots of weird stuff adding up, but obviously it's not even enough to arrest her (so far). I'm just confused.



I do trust that they work hard, and are privy to more information than we are...I just hope it is all on the RIGHT track, whatever that may be.

Me too. I am not absolutely convinced they are on to the right perp. I have visions of sexual predators going into the school and taking the most vulnerable and shy child. I do pray that LE is looking into ALL possibilities, and not just focusing on step-mummy. It's been a month and still no arrest - that tells me LE isn't convinced as well -- or at least they don't have enough solid information to arrest.

jMO

MEL

 

[Dee10]

After last night, at least everyone can be rest and assured with the W.V. siting & BOL that was issued that at least the FBI is investigating all angles. I am sure they are CTA in this regard.

 

[socalgal2]

I kinda was confused as well when I heard her but was assuming she had not made up his bed from his last visit.....and after losing my child in an accident I can tell you I wanted nothing of his moved or changed....we went to the funeral home at some point, returned home and his bike had been moved off the porch....I lost it....that bike had to be returned...no one meant harm...they thought they were helping me not to have to see it....I wanted his clothes, his smell to remain forever....I sent for his clothes he was wearing when the car hit him.....I wanted those clothes to smell him one more time........I got the clothes but the hospital had washed them....it was probably best that they did since I have learned lots since that time...but I wanted anything he touched to remain....and that included smelling his sheets and his pillow.......DY doesn't want these things changed I would assume until she knows one way or the other, IMO.........God walk with her through this is my prayer.

I am so sorry for your loss Nana.:grouphug:

 

[cypress]

Sad to say, the only way I think poor Kyron is still alive is if he was taken by someone or Terri gave him to someone who wanted a little boy, like a Jaycee Dugard type of thing, not necessairly for sexual reasons but just wanted a little boy to call their own. I realize this is far fetched but its the only way I feel he'd still be alive. Any accomplice would know the heat is WAY up to find this child and would dump him- alive or not- and get the heck out of dodge.
I can't see anyone helping her. Not like shes a "femme fatale" and seduced some poor male sucker into helping her.
Her own behavior tells me she and she alone is the one who knows what happened to Kyron and where he is.
Wonder if the woods surrounding the general area where the Horman home is has been searched thoroughly. Its isolated and she wouldn't have to worry about being seen....a soft kill would leave no forensic evidence.....horrible to think about and write, but a possibility all the same... JMO

If the parents weren't inferring that she had an accomplice, it wouldn't still be a possibility in my mind. I will be forever curious about how anyone managed to remove Kyron from the school completely unseen and to leave behind no evidence.

Having said that, I believe if Terri is responsible, she acted alone and Kyron is deceased. If it was not Terri, I believe Kyron is deceased.

There are very, very few Jaycee Dugards and Elizabeth Smarts, especially in this culture when everything is global and interconnected.

I'd love to be proven wrong, I want to be wrong, but regardless of who took him and why, I believe he is, sadly, no longer with us. I pray he never knew what happened and that he didn't suffer.

 

[gardeness]

If the parents weren't inferring that she had an accomplice, it wouldn't still be a possibility in my mind. I will be forever curious about how anyone managed to remove Kyron from the school completely unseen and to leave behind no evidence.

Having said that, I believe if Terri is responsible, she acted alone and Kyron is deceased. If it was not Terri, I believe Kyron is deceased.

There are very, very few Jaycee Dugards and Elizabeth Smarts, especially in this culture when everything is global and interconnected.

I'd love to be proven wrong, I want to be wrong, but regardless of who took him and why, I believe he is, sadly, no longer with us. I pray he never knew what happened and that he didn't suffer.

BBM

I had considered this too--they are the "exception", not the "norm".

This case seems to simply lack a sufficient amount of information at this point, for the public. The details that have been released aren't concrete enough, and they weren't released by LE.

It's a waiting game...

 

[MRMAN0014]

I know... right! Who goes through the trouble of having this elaborate plan to kidnap a child.. but then doesn't think to plan out what to say to the cops!
The more time they waste on her, the more time goes by that they could be searching other avenues..

I think she really had no idea they would question her whereabouts to that extreme, I think she thought the would blame the school and she wouldn't need to elaborate on her day.

 

[Calliope]

I think it's both... NOW that he was asked about it he thought that his marriage fractured when Terri got depressed but if you'd asked him THEN he might have said that the marriage is okay, it's just that the wife is feeling blue.

Edit: I don't think your quotes are in conflict because IMO it doesn't say that he thought a year ago that his marriage was on the rocks, it just says that he now thinks (looking back and brutally aware that his marriage is in big trouble) that the problems started a year ago when Terri got depressed.

Yeah, it could be read either way.

I wish Kaine and Desiree would stop with all this bashing of Terri, tho'. IMO all they're doing is giving Terri's attorney plenty of ammunition for trial.

 

[Caligram]

I believe Terri acted alone, and she had already planned how she was going to get Kyron out of the school that day. There was so much activity going on, and by mentioning a doctor appointment to the teacher, that provided her with an excuse if anyone had seen her leaving with Kyron. Then she could always claim that she got the dates mixed up. But unfortunately nobody saw them leave together, so Terri blamed the teacher for "misunderstanding" that the doctor appointment was for the following Friday. Why would anyone bring up a doctor appointment on such a busy hectic day with people scurrying about and no teacher sitting at her desk with her calendar in front of her. I bet that she even had set up an appointment for the following Friday, knowing that it would prove that the "teacher misunderstood about the date". So Terri got away with leaving with Kyron, no witnesses, then she could play innocent and blame the school for not questioning why Kyron wasn't there at 10AM for regular class activity. The exit door closest to Kyron's classroom could not be opened from the outside. But anyone could exit thru that door without setting off an alarm, and Terri was familar with the school.
Terri could even have told Kyron to meet her outside, that she had a secret surprise for him. Thus no chance of the two of them meeting anybody on the way out. It is my understanding that anybody who entered the school would have had to use the door on the opposite side of the building, and how would a stranger manage to get Kyron out the exit door right around the time Terri claims she left the schoolyard.
I won't attempt to explain why Terri wanted to get rid of Kyron, but this may have been her "payback" against Kaine, one in which she felt capable of executing without being a suspect. I doubt if she thought out her time schedule from that point on...only knowing that she had to be home at a certain time that afternoon. There isn't any info on who picked up the daughter from the sitter, and what time that was done. I think that Terri thought that she was highly regarded at Kyron's school, and made a point to be seen by a few key school personnel. She may pull a Casey and never confess, thinking that all she has to do is keep her mouth shut.
I feel sorry for Kyron's parents, and I don't feel that there is any hope now that he is still alive. He has captured the hearts of people who will never forget the sweet boy with the captivating smile. I am sure that the same people that had their hearts stolen by this charming child will make sure that justice is carried out against the one that caused him to be gone too soon.

 

[Calliope]

If they don't care about the general public or the opinion of the general public, then why are they addressing the general public through the media weekly?

Respectfully, the general public may be the group that helps resolve this case. If the key to resolution is a member of the general public and they view what Desiree and Kaine are doing as mudslinging, without much or any evidence to back up their claims, that member of the general public may not be as vigilant as they once were and may overlook the very thing that brings Kyron home.

It's becoming all-Terri, all the time. They should step back and look at what's happening. The media doesn't care about Kyron any more; just listen to the questions D & K are asked, read the articles. Very little about Kyron, and when he is mentioned, it's as if it's just an afterthought, as though the reporter thinks "oh yeah! I better ask a question about Kyron".

 

[scandi]

I think she really had no idea they would question her whereabouts to that extreme, I think she thought the would blame the school and she wouldn't need to elaborate on her day.

Excellent thought MRMAN and it's nice to meet you. It also could be she is somewhat scattered and has difficulty focusing even though her ego is huge. To me that says narcissist out of control and dangerous.

That look in the presser when she rolled her eyes upwards towards Desiree. It could be when she realized how big it was going to get and I don't think until she hired that lawyer did she have any idea what to do about the mess she created. She just played dumb. Then she clammed up as her ego took hold again. IMO

That is if she is guilty.

 

[scandi]

I believe Terri acted alone, and she had already planned how she was going to get Kyron out of the school that day. There was so much activity going on, and by mentioning a doctor appointment to the teacher, that provided her with an excuse if anyone had seen her leaving with Kyron. Then she could always claim that she got the dates mixed up. But unfortunately nobody saw them leave together, so Terri blamed the teacher for "misunderstanding" that the doctor appointment was for the following Friday. Why would anyone bring up a doctor appointment on such a busy hectic day with people scurrying about and no teacher sitting at her desk with her calendar in front of her. I bet that she even had set up an appointment for the following Friday, knowing that it would prove that the "teacher misunderstood about the date". So Terri got away with leaving with Kyron, no witnesses, then she could play innocent and blame the school for not questioning why Kyron wasn't there at 10AM for regular class activity. The exit door closest to Kyron's classroom could not be opened from the outside. But anyone could exit thru that door without setting off an alarm, and Terri was familar with the school.
Terri could even have told Kyron to meet her outside, that she had a secret surprise for him. Thus no chance of the two of them meeting anybody on the way out. It is my understanding that anybody who entered the school would have had to use the door on the opposite side of the building, and how would a stranger manage to get Kyron out the exit door right around the time Terri claims she left the schoolyard.
I won't attempt to explain why Terri wanted to get rid of Kyron, but this may have been her "payback" against Kaine, one in which she felt capable of executing without being a suspect. I doubt if she thought out her time schedule from that point on...only knowing that she had to be home at a certain time that afternoon. There isn't any info on who picked up the daughter from the sitter, and what time that was done. I think that Terri thought that she was highly regarded at Kyron's school, and made a point to be seen by a few key school personnel. She may pull a Casey and never confess, thinking that all she has to do is keep her mouth shut.
I feel sorry for Kyron's parents, and I don't feel that there is any hope now that he is still alive. He has captured the hearts of people who will never forget the sweet boy with the captivating smile. I am sure that the same people that had their hearts stolen by this charming child will make sure that justice is carried out against the one that caused him to be gone too soon.

WOW Caligram, you had me spellbound down to the last word as everything you say makes such sense. The only question would be if she had the baby with her that morning or at a sitter. It is great to have you here !

4 1/2 hours to do what she did, drive out to Raleigh Hills maybe, get home to bathe and get settled in at the 'puter before Kaine got home. Plenty of time.

This fits with MRMAN's thoughts too that she had nothing planned past that point. All by ear which is probably why she said almost nothing since he vanished. IMO



ETA: In their last presser Desiree and Kaine seemed to both feel she did not act alone and had someone help her. That is so hard to figure out, but do you all go with their reasoning, that in trying for MFH she would approach getting rid of Kyron in the same way? Just curious.

 

[nurseratchett]

Just saw on KOIN news that a tipster by the name of "Chas" saying he saw truck with TH coming from Logie Trail Rd. off Hwy 30 on 6/4/10.....

He said about 9:45 AM, he thought it was his friends truck, then as he pulled up he saw a red haired woman he is now certain was TH. He has called the tip in twice he says, starting about 10 days ago, but has not been contacted by police yet.
No link yet on KOIN. It was on their 11 broadcast, lead story IIRC

 

[Calliope]

Just saw on KOIN news that a tipster by the name of "Chas" saying he saw truck with TH coming from Logie Trail Rd. off Hwy 30 on 6/4/10.....

He said about 9:45 AM, he thought it was his friends truck, then as he pulled up he saw a red haired woman he is now certain was TH. He has called the tip in twice he says, starting about 10 days ago, but has not been contacted by police yet.
No link yet on KOIN. It was on their 11 broadcast, lead story IIRC

Why in the world wouldn't police contact him?

And I really wish he hadn't gone public with this info...

 

[nurseratchett]

Why in the world wouldn't police contact him?

And I really wish he hadn't gone public with this info...

I "think" he was intimating that he felt some frustration with LE, IIRC saying he hadn't really been paying a lot of attention to the case until a couple weeks ago, and when all the news and pics re: TH surfaced, he realized he had info, and is wondering why no LE has contacted him yet.

I guess they'll be contacting him now....

 

[scandi]

I "think" he was intimating that he felt some frustration with LE, IIRC saying he hadn't really been paying a lot of attention to the case until a couple weeks ago, and when all the news and pics re: TH surfaced, he realized he had info, and is wondering why no LE has contacted him yet.

I guess they'll be contacting him now....

OMG Nurseratchett, Thanks for that really hopeful news ! That was one of the roads they wanted tips about.

Just posting on another thread about how DY and KH are not gong to be talking with the media next week and that LE will be very busy with investigative obligations.

It certainly fits with your news Nurse.


Hi Calliope, I think it is already in the works, and was by the time when the family said they wouldn't be talking to the media this week unless something happened. LE has had what 2877 tips so far in the case? And that was about a week ago. I can see them missing it but bet 'cha sweet bippie they are on it now. BIG TIME. In the war room as we speak. And if they make a move it might be at the most unexpected time {like 4 am LOL}.

Gosh, there I go again getting all excited, but this could be the break they have been waiting for all along. It could be Kyron is in the area off Logie Trail Rd. Did they have dogs there? I'm going to the map. xox

 

[scandi]

Just saw on KOIN news that a tipster by the name of "Chas" saying he saw truck with TH coming from Logie Trail Rd. off Hwy 30 on 6/4/10.....

He said about 9:45 AM, he thought it was his friends truck, then as he pulled up he saw a red haired woman he is now certain was TH. He has called the tip in twice he says, starting about 10 days ago, but has not been contacted by police yet.
No link yet on KOIN. It was on their 11 broadcast, lead story IIRC

Nurseratchett, you should start a thread with your new info. YaYa