DY and TY feel this was planned ahead of time.

[Jules71]

The one thing that bothers me about this new information is that Terri has been in their lives for 7 years. 7 years is a long time and if D felt uncomfortable or had doubts about how Terri was raising her son why didn't she attempt to have Kryon live with her full-time?

I would also be interested in how many times she attended any of Kryon's activities? I know she lived 1 1/2 hours away but she makes a point to say that she had to work that day. I am just wondering how much she was involved in Kryon's life outside of when he was with her.

If this is something recent Kryon is old enough to ask. Maybe he wouldn't have said anything but I would make damn sure I was comfortable as to who was helping me raise my child!

I dunno first we have the PPD story and now this? Something smells in this case and I just can't put my finger on it.

I want to add that I really don't believe D has anything to do with this. I think she is a heartbroken mother.

BBM. I thought Desiree lived 4.5 hours away from Kyron.

 

[MsFacetious]

Desiree lived 4 and a half hours away. Four.

She went to quite a few of the soccer games and other things. It was the middle of the work day things that she couldn't go to. She went up there frequently to go to the ones that were on her days off or days she could get off.

The one thing that bothers me about this new information is that Terri has been in their lives for 7 years. 7 years is a long time and if D felt uncomfortable or had doubts about how Terri was raising her son why didn't she attempt to have Kryon live with her full-time?

I would also be interested in how many times she attended any of Kryon's activities? I know she lived 1 1/2 hours away but she makes a point to say that she had to work that day. I am just wondering how much she was involved in Kryon's life outside of when he was with her.

If this is something recent Kryon is old enough to ask. Maybe he wouldn't have said anything but I would make damn sure I was comfortable as to who was helping me raise my child!

I dunno first we have the PPD story and now this? Something smells in this case and I just can't put my finger on it.

I want to add that I really don't believe D has anything to do with this. I think she is a heartbroken mother.

 

[gitana1]

ClueMeIn, I mean it boggles my mind that all these "things" went on, and it looks like even with all the "weird behaviour/flags", TH was still the one who had the responsibility for Kyron.

Custody cases are really not easy. Especially when one is seeking to change a custody order that is in place. I need certain things from my clients, factually, before I will spend their hard-earned money in a court battle. (Probably why I am not rich but it is why I win!!).
Also, you often get only one serious shot at modifying a court order as to custody so it is best to have a really good case. A child crying suddenly would not be enough. TH having post-partum depression would probably not be enough without more. Kyron's age is also a hindrance. I would prefer that he be a bit older if the case hinges in part on his desires. In CA, the older a child is, the more his or her desires can impact a custody decision. In this case, I would start by askin DY to speak with KH and see what is going on at home. I would suggest the parents get Kyron counseling, and maybe have some joint counseling sessions with all the parties. Of course, that would depend on the circumstances, how the parties get along, etc. If there were more serious red flags, that would likely not be my tack.

 

[Littleone48]

Desiree lived 4 and a half hours away. Four.

She went to quite a few of the soccer games and other things. It was the middle of the work day things that she couldn't go to. She went up there frequently to go to the ones that were on her days off or days she could get off.

Thank you. 4 1/2 hours is a long trip for anyone especially on a week night for anyone. I thought 1 1/2 hours was a long trip.

 

[LotsaLatte]

I really , really don't like this 'I knew it all along' attitude.

Everything points to TH being involved, being unstable etc. I agree that KH and DY are 100% convinced that TH is involved, responsible. I don't see what announcing it continuously will get them. I don't see how it will convince TH to give up any information. I think it will just make her madder and more vindictive.
MOO

Above snipped and BBM - I agree that it would most likely make TH madder and more vindictive and maybe even give her a feeling of "I have the power and control now!" But IF TH did this AND there is someone else involved, maybe the message is "Look, we are tracking down everything about TH and finding the dirt. So, if you helped her abduct/hide/harm Kyron, it's only a matter of time before we come knocking at your door. So, here's your chance to let him go." OR the continual public message may also be important to "get out there" so that people that know TH can maybe start to realize that they know something that just wasn't quite right about her and make a call to LE. KWIM?

 

[gitana1]

And we still don't know that she did.

At this point, my sympathy quotient for any of the adults is dwindling fast. As someone said upthread a piece, (paraphrase) "The more they open their mouths, the more I shake my head."

God, I wish I could ride on the bandwagon with everyone else, it gets kinda dusty walking behind with only a few who want truth more than blood.

My opinion only

Ouch! That feels a bit judgmental, to be frank. I do not feel I am on any bandwagon and yet I do believe the signs show TH to be involved somehow. I don't think everyone who thinks that is on a bandwagon or is out for blood without wanting the truth.
I was on the fence at first and actually thought some of the rumors and innuendo was totally uncalled for and unfair to TH. I still feel that way. But when more stuff came out, I used my sense of logic and reason to form an opinion - one that took me off the fence.
None of us know the truth and I think we all want to find it. That's why we websleuth.
I am sure there are some out in society who don't care about the truth. Either they are out for blood, as you say and want TH's head on a stick because that is the popular sentiment, or they stubbornly refuse to look at the cumulation of info coming out that points to TH because perhaps they identify with TH. Perhaps they were bullied by an ex, or were the much maligned step parent of a child they loved, and that colors their ability to view the case rationally.
But, I just don't think that most of us on on websleuths are like that at all. I think we are mostly people that arrive at conclusions based on our life experiences and the facts. We are all entitled to our opinions and respect for those opinions. My 2 cents!

 

[Kat]

"Kyron became increasingly unhappy about not spending time with me," Young said. "He wanted to come live with us. Several times he would just break down and just sob because he wanted to stay.

"To know I was 4 1/2 hours away when he needed me to protect him, that's what I feel guilty for," Young said. "The fact that I had to work that day instead of going to the science fair like I wanted to, that I feel guilty for too."

Young and her husband believe Kyron is alive and made another plea for his release.

"To the person or persons that have Kyron, I miss my son so much that I can't breathe at times," she said, reading from a statement. "Please let him go. Just take him to a remote pay phone or somewhere out of the way and tell him to call 911."

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/artic...lan-before-kyron-horman-went-missing/19553636

I feel her agony. I so hope they find out what happened to Kyron.

That made my eyes water a bit. I hate to see someone suffer like that. I'll say prayers for her strength tonight again. For both of them.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Take from Patty G's Today's News Post.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/38239735#38239735

I did not see this anywhere else. What I am posting is not verbatim and is paraphrased in my notes.

When asked about the sexting, DY rolls her eyes and says that the fact that someone would do this ( at the time) spoke to their character.
DY and TY make no bones about the fact that they feel that this had been planned for sometime.
In fact DY stated that Kyron started to seem different. That he would break down and cry at times when he had to go home. She states that Kyron wanted to go live with them


How sad.

is anyone else really frustrated with the way things seem to continually be changing?
what i mean is i cant tell u how many times dy&kh have been asked were there any signs? had they noticed any changes in the home(s)? any changes in behaviours or actions?
and on every occassion until now the answer has been no! no, nothing different. no, nothing out of the ordinary. no, no one was acting any different. we were blindsided...

and now all of sudden for the first time in all the pressers, all the emails, all of the written and taped interviews it is now being said that kyron had been acting different. dy was suspicious of what was happening at dads house. kyron cried not to go to dads house. kyron wanted to live with mom&tony...

this really bothers me... i do realize hindsight is 20/20, but your child has been crying not wanting to return to his fathers, and voicing that he wants to live with you. that is NOT something you would realize upon time passing(over a month)while reflecting on the recent past thinking did you miss something, that just is impossible! but rather, this would be the first thing that came to mind when your child went missing, esp. given the fact that dy has stated from the very first phone call at 4:25 on june 4th that her "motherly instincts" immediately knew that tmh was involved...

does anyone else see this as more than odd?

and i have a feeling we'll be hearing more things of this exact nature as time goes on? why? why just now?

 

[Chili Fries]

is anyone else really frustrated with the way things seem to continually be changing?
what i mean is i cant tell u how many times dy&kh have been asked were there any signs? had they noticed any changes in the home(s)? any changes in behaviours or actions?
and on every occassion until now the answer has been no! no, nothing different. no, nothing out of the ordinary. no, no one was acting any different. we were blindsided...

and now all of sudden for the first time in all the pressers, all the emails, all of the written and taped interviews it is now being said that kyron had been acting different. dy was suspicious of what was happening at dads house. kyron cried not to go to dads house. kyron wanted to live with mom&tony...

this really bothers me... i do realize hindsight is 20/20, but your child has been crying not wanting to return to his fathers, and voicing that he wants to live with you. that is NOT something you would realize upon time passing(over a month)while reflecting on the recent past thinking did you miss something, that just is impossible! but rather, this would be the first thing that came to mind when your child went missing, esp. given the fact that dy has stated from the very first phone call at 4:25 on june 4th that her "motherly instincts" immediately knew that tmh was involved...

does anyone else see this as more than odd?

and i have a feeling we'll be hearing more things of this exact nature as time goes on? why? why just now?

Because that's what happens when something extremely traumatic occurs. You try to make sense of it by looking back, expecting to find warning signs, and wondering "what if".

 

[Deleted member 718]

That made my eyes water a bit. I hate to see someone suffer like that. I'll say prayers for her strength tonight again. For both of them.

I know Kat. Once I forgot to put a pudding cup in my child's lunch box and kicked myself all day. I can't imagine how Desiree is coping.

 

[MsFacetious]

I think the reason that something is being mentioned about Kyron crying to not go back to Dad's house...when nothing has been said in all of the other pressers, interviews or statements.... is because Dad, was not at this interview. Can you imagine saying "He was sobbing to not go back to Kaine's house" with Kaine sitting next to you?

I also agree that you recognize things as time goes on. Just like when a spouse has an affair. You realize that the change in work hours, wasn't really a change in work hours. But at the time, it meant nothing.

You cannot predict what people are going to do. You cannot get custody of a child because they "do not like" their stepmother or "don't want to" go back to their Dad's house. I have watched a judge deny a mother custody because the stepmother didn't "endanger" her stepchild...she jumped off a bridge with her own child while pregnant. But she didn't endanger him, she left HIM in the car on the bridge .(They all lived.)

I think that where Kyron was going to live would have been a decision made after school got out, before the next school year started. Too bad he didn't see the end of the school year.

Unless she and Kaine agreed on something, the court would have told Desiree there was nothing they could do until there was proof of abuse. Now, Kyron is gone.... no need for proof now.

is anyone else really frustrated with the way things seem to continually be changing?
what i mean is i cant tell u how many times dy&kh have been asked were there any signs? had they noticed any changes in the home(s)? any changes in behaviours or actions?
and on every occassion until now the answer has been no! no, nothing different. no, nothing out of the ordinary. no, no one was acting any different. we were blindsided...

and now all of sudden for the first time in all the pressers, all the emails, all of the written and taped interviews it is now being said that kyron had been acting different. dy was suspicious of what was happening at dads house. kyron cried not to go to dads house. kyron wanted to live with mom&tony...

this really bothers me... i do realize hindsight is 20/20, but your child has been crying not wanting to return to his fathers, and voicing that he wants to live with you. that is NOT something you would realize upon time passing(over a month)while reflecting on the recent past thinking did you miss something, that just is impossible! but rather, this would be the first thing that came to mind when your child went missing, esp. given the fact that dy has stated from the very first phone call at 4:25 on june 4th that her "motherly instincts" immediately knew that tmh was involved...

does anyone else see this as more than odd?

and i have a feeling we'll be hearing more things of this exact nature as time goes on? why? why just now?

 

[AbbieNormal]

For the first time, there was a plea to someone besides TH. During the interview I heard Desiree plead to whomever took him. She stated "Please, drop him off at a remote phone booth and tell him to call 911 and say who he is...."

My heart breaks for her

Lets say that hope against hope, Kyron is alive and "someone" has him, Pleading for that person to drop him someplace might be what that person would LIKE to do, but can't, because he is someone Kyron knows or already knew. Someone Kyron could identify. Horrifyingly, maybe he is/ was still alive at some point and had to be done away with b/c he could identify his "captor". Sad thouights all around. I pray Kyron is found one way or another. Is got to be killing DY an KH as well as TY.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe Desiree did not want to admit, until now, that Kyron had been sad about not being able to stay with her because it just adds to any guilt she is already feeling. But it is a pretty big piece of information to only come out after almost 6 weeks. I'm sure it is not the first LE has heard of it, but it still seems shocking to learn, this far into the investigation. You'd think this would have been a part of the whole "Terri is lying" media event. I am just as confused by Desiree and Tony and Kaine and what they choose to say when, as I am about everything else in this case.

 

[TopTop]

I know Kat. Once I forgot to put a pudding cup in my child's lunch box and kicked myself all day. I can't imagine how Desiree is coping.

You reminded me....last fall I was out of town for work. My daughter had a school trip and my hubbie forgot to pack her lunch. He packed all her snacks just not her sandwich. The school secretary made her a sandwich (they keep some supplies on hand for such cases) but when my husband called and told me I cried like a baby at work! I was convinced this would never happen if I had just been there and felt like a horrible mother!

I can only begin to imagine how guilty DY must feel. Particularly if she really has sensed that TH was unfit to be raising her son and never said anything.

 

[nursebeeme]

thread topic: DY thinks this was planned ahead of time

I want to take a second to re examine the thread topic and the statement made by DY.

1) obviously she is more privy to LE information on this case than we are

2) she knows Terri and her personality and "their personality" referring to that relationship between Kyron, her son, and Terri, the stepmom, more than we know at this point.

3) DY stated in a media interview that the second she got the call she suspected Terri. Why? Something in the background will yield this.

4) Today D and T Y say they both suspect her of being behind it and plotting it ahead of time.
-my question is what was going on in the K/T marriage before this happened? I am sure that D/T knew of it or any troubles. This sort of thing does not just pop up like a weed in the garden!!!!!! This is deep seeded and long growing and I am sure more will come out about Kaine and Terri's issues before this happened.

5) Terri seems to have all her ducks in a row for checking off the boxes of an involved person in a crime. Not only is she:
-willing to deceive (failed polys, and phone records place her in other places she said she was)
-willing to commit murder (took out a hit on her husband)a
-willing to violate the law (went against the ro and tried to abduct her daughter)
-willing to carry on illicit relationships outside of the marriage (from 4 june the day that kyron went missing she carried on an illicit and inappropriate relationship with Kaine's former hs classmate including sending him photos of her in various states of undress and engaged in sexual acts. NICE!~

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I may have strayed slightly from the topic but in light of all that is going on how is it possible? Terri has been a BUSY GIRL since Kyron went missing.. and it wasn't work on bringing him home.. it was self serving! Again, I say that this whole thing was most likely at the center of a self serving idea. jmoo.

so where is kyron? where is this little man?

I think Terri Moulton knows exactly where he is and she needs to come clean. As per this thread title... I agree with DY that this was planned ahead of time. And I hope to God that DY is right that he may still be alive. I just don't see Terri taking that risk. I personally think she did something horrible.

MOO

 

[winterrose]

I remember at the beginning of this,in an article,one of Desiree's siblings said D had alot to say,but couldn't at this time.I guess she's able to start saying things now.What have they got to lose in having to be quiet to not tick off Terri,she's obviously not talking anyway.So we're starting to hear why Desiree said to Terri,she better not have hurt her son.

It's coming more into focus,twelve hours sleeping and being trained not to get up till someone comes to get him,being afraid of not seeing the house while in the yard of Desiree's,Carol's and Kaine's,there was fear in that child.I would like to hear from the teacher to see what she has to say about this,also.

 

[RoseWhite]

It's incredibly frustrating and sad that so many things point to Terri, but not enough.

 

[DairyGirl]

BBM. Remember, this is the same woman who allegedly tried to have her husband killed. I would call that a cold, calculated plan...and not one to be entered into by a stable, normal woman.

JMO

I agree. After the sexting incidence I think TH could be called a lot of things but I doubt stable would be one of them.

 

[DairyGirl]

I agree with Desiree that this was probably in the planning for a while. I personally think there may have been other atempts that failed because she was seen leaving with the child and in this case she felt confident that no one saw them leave. I think she might have been getting desperate because the end of the school year was approaching and she might lose her chance for a while. I believe she did watch some crime shows (CSI) and knew to a degree what she was doing. And for all we know she has been so far successful as Kyron as not been found. If she hadn't planned this well it wouldn't have gotten so far. And sadly it may be that she has planned this so well that she may never be arrested for the disappearance of Kyron because even though all signs point to her, there is no evidence to prove it. She may have been sloppier then she wanted but not sloppy enough to be convicted.

 

[LadyL]

Me too. THis whole case, this whole family, is unraveling day by day.

The fact that Kyron would cry at the idea of going back home to live with Kaine and Terri is VERY UNSETTLING. I have a feeling there was a lot more tension in that house than we are led to believe at this point, and Kyron hated it. Even if it was not direct abuse, there was some sort of hostility or tension, at the least.

Children can have very good instincts about people and behavior. (Granted, they can also be naive and trust the wrong people, but still..). Children can often sense or pick up on emotions or moods in adults such as depression, anger, resentment, even if they aren't openly expressing them or being physical.

Maybe Terri started making Kyron feel uneasy with strange behavior??? And he sensed something was not right.

[bbm]

ITA. And maybe she saw that 'knowing' look in his eyes and didn't like it one bit. :furious: