Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[Eileen730]

There are numerous photos and videos of Middle Mountain Rd on the internet from both locals and people who have visited and vacationed in the area. I would imagine it is well known to the locals as the best place to go to get beautiful views of the reservoir and surrounding area. Kind of a "lookout point" for lack of a better term. There is no way MR wasn't familiar with this road, what was on it, and hadn't travelled up it many times in the past IMO.

Exactly! Especially being an ATV owner!

 

[iSleuth]

Sorry I'm behind as usual and in catch up mode so, forgive me if this is already been thoroughly discussed..

IMO the reason that first comes to mind in questioning possibly why was it that the backpack, fishing pole, etc were not just disposed of with the body is the fact that if this murder was as some have theorized in it being IN NO WAY PREMEDITATED, BUT RATHER A SITUATION THAT WENT SIDEWAYS AND RESULTED IN DYLAN'S DEATH..IMO in that scenario I can see possibilities of there having been an escalation of tension between the two that at the time it peaked and Dylan ended up dead that they were NOT IN THE HOME, but rather either en route to or from somewhere and while they were away from the home that it is then that the escalation peaked resulting in his death.

In such a scenario it would have Dylan separated from his belongings at the time of his death.. His belongings and fishing pole would be in the home with Dylan's death having taken place at a location away from the home..therefor you would have the possible hiding and disposing of the body immediately thereafter the death occurred .. Afterward in returning back to the home there would be the realization of all of his belongings and what and where would they be put, disposed of, or should they be left in the home..IMO a wide range of choices in what to do with his belongings and what choice would best suit the scenario that was going to be given as to how his son came to be "missing".. He left out with all his belongings?.. Or that he left out with nothing and his belongings were all in dad's home?.. Should some be taken and some left behind?..

As I said many many choices of what to do once the death had occurred away from the home and his body having immediately thereafter been disposed of or hidden..and then to arrive back home and realize the belongings were there and what was the best way to handle all of the belongings of Dylan's in dad's home.. IMO I actually can see how the fishing pole being removed came to possibly be in looking at a scenario such as these above where the death took place away from the home and that the issue of all of his belongings being in the home was an issue that came as an afterthought upon arriving home with his body already hidden..

In thinking about the various choices of what to do I can see his possibly thinking to throw in the fishing rod as only another afterthought in preparing on how the gone missing scenario was being conceived after the fact of Dylan's death and the body already hidden.. IMO I could see him thinking that the fishing pole would be a good explanation of where his son may have gone off "missing" to while he was out running errands..as well as it would also serve as a great diversion tactic of misleading investigators toward searching nearby water for his body in knowing that his body was not going to be located in those bodies of water..

IMO it also fits with the initial statements made early on by Mark in his stating he had from the get go been directing LE to search the lake due to the fact that Dylan's fishing pole was "missing" along with his son..in that scenario all misleading in knowing for certain his body would not be in those areas he was adamantly stating from the get go should be searched..

All jmo in looking at the possibilities of why Dylan's backpack, belongings, and the missing fishing pole were not found with or around him..JMO in giving scenarios of how or why this possibly could have happened *IF* Mark is responsible for Dylan's death.. Again MOO!

HI smooth Op. Thank you for your post. I think it is really interesting and made me think of something MR said. I read it somewhere here yesterday in a quote here on WS. This is not verbatim by any means but somewhere MR said his theory was ( based on dog hits at end of driveway i think) he always thought "DR got into a car with someone he knew" and didn't make it to his destination. ( DR got into MR's car )Even though I have been inclined to believe something happened at 9:37 pm....Maybe you are right maybe something happened on the way to Bayfield early Nov 19th- and MR had to destroy/deal with these personal affects and stage the scene at his house when he returned. Just as you suggest.

staging:: I thought it was strange that they found/took a pair of boys sweat pants size 10-12 into evidence-I would bet that DR had not worn those since he was 8 or so size wise.
on another note... I do not think that DR would have gotten up in time to have even have cereal.


Is there an incinerator somewhere??

another thing I was wondering is that if MR is ever arrested do you think that the last seen date would ever change from 11/19 to last seen 11/18?
The last confirmed contact/sighting was on the 18th.

 

[Foxfire]

Anyone skeptical that MR will lawyer up and plead the fifth amendment today? JMO

 

[asyousay]

I don't envy LE interviewing Mark as he can never keep to a straight story IMO

The last inconsistency was Elaine shouted Murderer at him and then it became she "muttered" murderer at him . How is it so hard to keep to the facts when telling the truth ?!

 

[iSleuth]

Anyone skeptical that MR will lawyer up and plead the fifth amendment today? JMO

After catching up on the threads here on WS he will probably decide. But, I tend to think he will probably keep #blahblahblah- ing because he has been cooperating with LE.

:fence:

What do you think.

 

[Foxfire]

Link, please? That sounds contrary to this statement:

"Mark Redwine says he’s been asked to retrace the case facts with investigators on Tuesday."

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/06/30/emotional-candlelight-vigil-held-for-dylan-redwine/

Italics by me.

Thanx for the link, ShyViolet. Seems, retracing the facts could be interpreted as; dotting all of the I's and crossing all of the T's. Gonna be a very long day for MR, imo..

 

[SCHMAE]

After catching up on the threads here on WS he will probably decide. But, I tend to think he will probably keep #blahblahblah- ing because he has been cooperating with LE.

:fence:

What do you think.

I think MR fancies himself buddy-buddy with the LE and thinks all their 'talks' are just good ole boys shooting the breeze . moooooo obviously !

 

[aust amateur slueth]

:Thud:

If you are living in Durango, CO and are passionate about sending garbage into oblivion, incineration is your best option. Burning things you.

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy...50,d.dmg&fp=f31f3434d3ff6ba1&biw=1092&bih=424

your link is going to google search page

 

[asyousay]

I am hoping for an arrest today :moo:

I have my fingers crossed x

 

[Salem]

Anyone skeptical that MR will lawyer up and plead the fifth amendment today? JMO

What is happening today, please? What have I missed?

Thanks,

Salem

ETA: I found the article. Interesting.

 

[*Lash*]

Quick question - regarding cell phone pings, towers and GPS. Dylan had an iPod Touch which has the capability to text and unlike his cellphone the iPod would have GPS. Can an iPod be traced by its GPS location? I can see where a perp may not think about disposing of an iPod like they would a cellphone.

ETA - iPod does not have a GPS chip and wifi would be needed. Thank you to JustJeannie.

 

[asyousay]

Quick question - regarding cell phone pings, towers and GPS. Dylan had an iPod Touch which has the capability to text and unlike his cellphone the iPod would have GPS. Can an iPod be traced by its GPS location? I can see where a perp may not think about disposing of an iPod like they would a cellphone.

deleted this due to being wrong!!

 

[Money Girl]

I don't envy LE interviewing Mark as he can never keep to a straight story IMO

The last inconsistency was Elaine shouted Murderer at him and then it became she "muttered" murderer at him . How is it so hard to keep to the facts when telling the truth ?!

I have read too many articles and followed too many links since Thursday. The article I read Elaine muttered "murderer" to him in one location and then shouted "murderer" at him in another location.

 

[Money Girl]

What is happening today, please? What have I missed?

Thanks,

Salem

ETA: I found the article. Interesting.

I understand that Mark is meeting with LE today.

 

[Salem]

I guess you got me on that one Salem. It is not officially confirmed that the last text was on his iPod. But, IIRC it was Elaine who confirmed that it was his iPod touch on Tricia's show when asked. But then again, maybe she just confirmed it was an "iPod touch". I'll have to listen again as I don't think TxJan1971 transcribed that show. If anyone else remembers, I would appreciate it. Did Elaine mention it on DP also?

ETA On the 6/2 Tricia interview with Elaine, she said Dylan had an iPod touch, but does not say that it was used for the last 9:37 text. I did not listen to the whole interview this time, just about the iPods in question from the MR search warrant.

Thank you caffeinejean. It has been confirmed that Dylan had the iPod. BUT it has never been confirmed that it was the device last used. This one of the points that has never been cleared up and it's important that we have it right, kwim?

EH has never confirmed the iPod (to my knowledge) was used for that last text and in fact has, on more than one occasion, said it was the phone. NOW... don't get me wrong here. I believe when EH indicated it was the phone, it was because she was under pressure/nervous and the conversation was moving quickly and she really didn't have time to thoroughly explain.

The the reporter said she confirmed with LE that it was the phone.

So this is a question that has not been answered sufficiently and I have to wonder if there is a reason why a clear, concise answer has not been given, kwim?

Thanks!

Salem

 

[JustJeannie]

I would have to check mine, but I am pretty sure the Touch does have GPS... BUT you have to be connected to the internet via WiFi for it to work. The Touch does not have the option for 3G/4G. So I'm not sure how much help it would be anyway.

 

[asyousay]

I would have to check mine, but I am pretty sure the Touch does have GPS... BUT you have to be connected to the internet via WiFi for it to work. The Touch does not have the option for 3G/4G. So I'm not sure how much help it would be anyway.

Thank you for explaining , so in Dylan's resting place the GPS would not of worked due to no wifi?

 

[OEJ]

It sounds like the coroner is saying neither cause nor manner of death can be determined. I hope I'm wrong.

Sorry to quote myself, but I think the reporting of this might be wrong. They haven't even performed the autopsy, yet, and they don't need the cause of death to rule on the manner of death. The coroner can take the circumstances surrounding the death and disappearance into account when making the determination. I'm glad the coroner elected to bring in a specialist, too. I pretty much expected the cause of death to be undetermined considering the state of the remains, but the manner? I find that hard to believe.

 

[cluciano63]

Sorry to quote myself, but I think the reporting of this might be wrong. They haven't even performed the autopsy, yet, and they don't need the cause of death to rule on the manner of death. The coroner can take the circumstances surrounding the death and disappearance into account when making the determination. I'm glad the coroner elected to bring in a specialist, too. I pretty much expected the cause of death to be undetermined considering the state of the remains, but the manner? I find that hard to believe.

Yes, the coroner should have any info LE is using when they call this his death a homicide to come to their conclusion and there are likely circumstances or evidence we do not yet know.

I think the location is enough for me to know he did not go there on his own and then was killed by nature. But it would be desirable for LE to have something more. The lack of his backpack, other clothing, phone, ipod, charger, etc. helps as well. If an animal tore at the backpack, some of the contents should be strewn about. Certainly items have been found with remains before, when much more time had elapsed.

 

[Pensfan]

Sorry to quote myself, but I think the reporting of this might be wrong. They haven't even performed the autopsy, yet, and they don't need the cause of death to rule on the manner of death. The coroner can take the circumstances surrounding the death and disappearance into account when making the determination. I'm glad the coroner elected to bring in a specialist, too. I pretty much expected the cause of death to be undetermined considering the state of the remains, but the manner? I find that hard to believe.

I do too. It's odd that Dylan's shoestrings were found outside of his shoes. If the shoestrings were tied together (used to bind feet while carrying and dumping a body), homicide should be listed as the manner of death.