Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[JustJeannie]

Thank you for explaining , so in Dylan's resting place the GPS would not of worked due to no wifi?

Actually, it doesn't have a built in GPS chip, but it can be used for maps/navigation etc with the right app. However, since it is only WiFi, you have to be connected to a hot spot for it to work. I don't think there would be any hotspots in that area of Middle Mountain Road, so no... it would likely not be of use at all.

http://gps.about.com/od/mobilephonegps/a/iPod-Touch-GPS.htm

January, 2013 update: The latest version of the iPod Touch, announced last fall, has a lot of great features, but still no GPS chip. Its mapping and location services rely on WiFi positioning only, described below, which can work fairly well in metro regions with ample WiFi hotspots.

..In order for many of the current crop of GPS navigation apps to function, they need always-on, or nearly always-on connectivity. Many pull down map information on-the-fly as you roll down the highway or along the trail. Many navigation and location-aware apps also depend on connectivity to pull down an array of information from search queries and databases. These apps are effectively "broken" without 3G connectivity, which is not available on the iPod Touch.

 

[jjenny]

Sorry to quote myself, but I think the reporting of this might be wrong. They haven't even performed the autopsy, yet, and they don't need the cause of death to rule on the manner of death. The coroner can take the circumstances surrounding the death and disappearance into account when making the determination. I'm glad the coroner elected to bring in a specialist, too. I pretty much expected the cause of death to be undetermined considering the state of the remains, but the manner? I find that hard to believe.

ITA. Manner of death could be ruled homicide even if cause of death is not possible to determine

 

[*Lash*]

Actually, it doesn't have a built in GPS chip, but it can be used for maps/navigation etc with the right app. However, since it is only WiFi, you have to be connected to a hot spot for it to work. I don't think there would be any hotspots in that area of Middle Mountain Road, so no... it would likely not be of use at all.

http://gps.about.com/od/mobilephonegps/a/iPod-Touch-GPS.htm

Thank you JustJeannie! I wasn't sure if the iPod could have been traced. I doubt wifi would be available in that area. It was a thought I had to get off my mind.

 

[*Lash*]

I do too. It's odd that Dylan's shoestrings were found outside of his shoes. If the shoestrings were tied together (used to bind feet while carrying and dumping a body), homicide should be listed as the manner of death.

From the forensics thread, also DNA could be on the shoestrings from anyone who touched the shoestrings.

 

[Bravo]

As frustrating as it was at the time LE was holding back info I'm grateful they did. There is a reason they did. I pray it's enough and forensics give them more lease:

 

[asyousay]

As frustrating as it was at the time LE was holding back info I'm grateful they did. There is a reason they did. I pray it's enough and forensics give them more lease:

Yep , I think LE know exactly what they are doing.


Without Mark we would known even less . I still have no idea if Mark is not guilty why he has revealed stuff about the crime scene . It seems pretty stupid IMO

 

[Bravo]

Yep , I think LE know exactly what they are doing.


Without Mark we would known even less . I still have no idea if Mark is not guilty why he has revealed stuff about the crime scene . It seems pretty stupid IMO

Agree. For me the Dr. Phil show confirmed everything I thought from the beginning. As to exactly what kind of man he is and just how cruel he can be. IMO this is all a game to him. The more pain he can inflict the more he enjoys it. IMO.

 

[Bravo]

FYI-Interesting info on the forensics thread :seeya:

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Yep , I think LE know exactly what they are doing.


Without Mark we would known even less . I still have no idea if Mark is not guilty why he has revealed stuff about the crime scene . It seems pretty stupid IMO

I have seen it said here that Mark is pretty smart. I tend to lean more in the direction of your assessment. IMO, he is very calculating, which gives the appearance of intelligence, but I'm not sure they are related.

All along, I feel MR has given information that is in advance of it even being an issue. I was beginning to go back over media to look for those again and was jolted to find this one so early in the case.

"Mark Redwine said his son is the type of kid who would go into the wild to fish or hike."

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22063185/sunday-search-launched-missing-boy-laplata-county

 

[cluciano63]

Has anyone other than MR ever indicated that Dylan liked to explore the wilds by himself?? JMO, but that just does not sound like Dylan, from all else we have heard. He seemed very social and liked to do things in groups, or be a typical couch-teen.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Has anyone other than MR ever indicated that Dylan liked to explore the wilds by himself?? JMO, but that just does not sound like Dylan, from all else we have heard. He seemed very social and liked to do things in groups, or be a typical couch-teen.

MR said he took a gun when he went searching on Middle Mountain. IIRC he mentioned wild animals. We are to believe that Dylan would go "into the wild" on his own with zero protection? That might be possible for a kid who was visiting, camping for the first time in an area. But for a boy who had grown up in the area, I think Dylan would be very aware of the dangers of going "into the wild."

 

[*Lash*]

Interesting thoughts from the forensic thread. I thought I would bring it here for those who might not want to view that thread.

BBM-

I may be getting O/T (depending on what you include in forensics), but I'd like to respond to this point...

From the press report:

"Investigators confirmed that Dylan arrived at Mark’s home on Sunday at about 8:00 PM after stops at Wal-Mart and McDonald’s in Durango."

Since the timing is so specific, I suspect the use of Dylan's Ipod touch from MR's wireless network is the source of this confirmation.

Analysis of the swabs might provide an extra measure of certainty that he had been there (but that could have been from a previous visit).

You may be right. If Dylan's iPod touch connected to Mark's wifi the device ID would appear in Mark's wifi activity. Each device has its own ID. A laptop, iPod, even a cell phone each have unique ID's. The only problem is who made the connection? Mark or Dylan or an automatic connection? I can see LE narrowing the usage down by the activity on his iPod. Games, passwords, etc...Things only Dylan would know. Very good point!

 

[balaney]

Maybe the perp had to change shoes with dylan because his were bloodied. Maybe Dylan's were too small so he removed the laces to get them on. Or didn't want to leave his own boot print.

 

[SCHMAE]

Maybe the perp had to change shoes with dylan because his were bloodied. Maybe Dylan's were too small so he removed the laces to get them on. Or didn't want to leave his own boot print.

Interesting! You know at that age many boys' feet grow way faster than the rest of them. It's somewhat awkward looking to see a small boy with these giant men feet, but it does happen. I say this because initially when I read your post, I thought ' no way would dylans shoes ever fit an adult' and then I remembered my own sons' feet just grew and grew forever before he started to catch up . Interesting indeed, since we have shoe laces but no shoes.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe the perp had to change shoes with dylan because his were bloodied. Maybe Dylan's were too small so he removed the laces to get them on. Or didn't want to leave his own boot print.

Or if Dylan was not wearing his shoes when he was killed...it is not that easy to put shoes on another person. The laces may well have had another use, which could be a major clue. The shoes probably went the way of the backpack and the rest of his stuff. (If someone removed the laces, dna and/or skin cells is a possibility. And IMO clearly, someone did remove them.)

 

[Resolution]

Hello amazing people. Been reading for several months. first post here & 1st forum ever! Hope this click works.

Have followed this terrible case <indepth>since DAY TWO. Studied too much, the mass of audio testimony of MR. Have learned new skill of watching head-shakes thanks to Dylan's dad.
I know the area from decade of living & hiking there. Left in 2011.
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I like many of you know similar deceptive shifting "blood boiling" personality of Dylan's dad.

Praying for resolution for all and swift process of justice for Dylan. Today would be great start.
Elaine and family deserve some independence from MR on independence day.

 

[Resolution]

Many of you know this info. But if not, from day 1 with LE and media,Dylan was NOT considered abducted & the community was only warned to WATCH OUT FOR DYLAN.
So I agree with prior poster. Wherever that post was.. ?
From my reading, no neighbor / county alert anything but Dylan. No clues.

In this article dated TUES. 11/20/12 (day 1 report)
http://durangoherald.com/article/20121120/NEWS01/121129996/Police-search-for-teen-near-Vallecito

"Authorities are not sure if the boy was upset and ran away or if other factors are at play.

“At this time, we’re exploring all possibilities,” Bender said.

It is unknown what clothing he was wearing, but he may have been carrying a backpack. “Apparently he had a black Hurley backpack when he arrived, and the father stated it was not at the house,” Bender said."
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Divers were in first in lake on 11/25/12. Dad's house searched 11/29.
Did LE see the cereal bowl on first night walk through? Fishing pole & bowl. Inside and outside distraction. Nothing more first weeks.
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When search tests came back they declared Dylan confirmed @ home.
Maybe not by pings but DNA & sweatpants? Footprints. Tire marks. Black box from employer in truck? IDK
From what I understand no community alert for a child abducting killer has been issued by the sheriff. Not even this week. So.. maybe today...

 

[SCHMAE]

Many of you know this info. But if not, from day 1 with LE and media,Dylan was NOT considered abducted & the community was only warned to WATCH OUT FOR DYLAN.
So I agree with prior poster. Wherever that post was.. ?
From my reading, no neighbor / county alert anything but Dylan. No clues.

In this article dated TUES. 11/20/12 (day 1 report)
http://durangoherald.com/article/20121120/NEWS01/121129996/Police-search-for-teen-near-Vallecito

"Authorities are not sure if the boy was upset and ran away or if other factors are at play.

&#8220;At this time, we&#8217;re exploring all possibilities,&#8221; Bender said.

It is unknown what clothing he was wearing, but he may have been carrying a backpack. &#8220;Apparently he had a black Hurley backpack when he arrived, and the father stated it was not at the house,&#8221; Bender said."
________
Divers were in first in lake on 11/25/12. Dad's house searched 11/29.
Did LE see the cereal bowl on first night walk through? Fishing pole & bowl. Inside and outside distraction. Nothing more first weeks.
//
When search tests came back they declared Dylan confirmed @ home.
Maybe not by pings but DNA & sweatpants? Footprints. Tire marks. Black box from employer in truck? IDK
From what I understand no community alert for a child abducting killer has been issued by the sheriff. Not even this week. So.. maybe today...

But the other day MR said he didn't even think to look for that backpack until a few days later so how could Bender know it was not in the house on 11/20 ?
ETA Oh I see now. " father stated it was not at the house '' bender said. Ok we've spent a lot of time analyzing MR's words but maybe we should have been analyzing Bender's more closely. This is not the first time I've noticed something like Instead of ' no back pack '' '' father states no back pack'' ....... I can remember another couple of times thinking that . Bender will go through the facts of what they KNOW but I wonder when / why he sometimes says " MR states such and such '' vs ' such and such is so'' . Did I make that clear or is that 'word salad' ?

 

[Mitsana]

Or if Dylan was not wearing his shoes when he was killed...it is not that easy to put shoes on another person. The laces may well have had another use, which could be a major clue. The shoes probably went the way of the backpack and the rest of his stuff. (If someone removed the laces, dna and/or skin cells is a possibility. And IMO clearly, someone did remove them.)

IMO: This is my current best guess too. I believe that Dylan was at MR's house, settling in for the night, and took off his shoes at some point to get comfortable.

IMO: After the act, MR would *want* to put those shoes back on to make it look like Dylan had gone hiking or fishing or walking to his friend's house. Maybe MR tried to get the shoes back on but had difficulty, so he unlaced them all the way in an attempt to get them on. But once the laces were in his hand, maybe MR decided to use them to help transport the body, maybe thinking he would get the shoes back on and re-lace them at the end. However, if he did use the laces to help transport, the weight would end up tightening the knots to the point that they would be very difficult to untie and if the knots were cut, they wouldn't be any use as laces any more. So, at that point, the shoe plan would be a flop and they would just have to disappear with the backpack. <- MOO.

IMO: If the laces were used this way, since they have been recovered, they would be clear evidence of homicide. My guess is that this is why LE is sure the case is a homicide.

 

[asyousay]

But the other day MR said he didn't even think to look for that backpack until a few days later so how could Bender know it was not in the house on 11/20 ?

Because surely LE asked this question off the bat ?

MR seems to get confused by 2+2 but LE must of asked the day Dylan vanished what Dylan had taken with him ? - i just do not for one second believe LE never asked about what Dylan took with him on the first day IMO