Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[Ghostwheel]

Hi Mitsana!

Are you looking for the video with the drain pipe? I have a screenshot. The video is from CBS4 Denver. I have been unable to locate the video on their website.

ETA - I found the video with the drain pipe, link below.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/9041384-dylan-redwines-father-says-hes-been-accused-in-teens-death/

I put this over in the media thread for easy access if anyone needs to go back and reference. Thanks.

 

[pearl]

Hi ya'll. I've been lurking on this thread since the remains of this child were found. I have been aware of his missing since right before Thanksgiving but haven't followed closely because I follow two other cases diligently. I'm trying to catch up. Excuse my asking the following question if it has been asked and answered before. There are numerous reports that Dylan last communicated by electronic means shortly after 8:00 p.m. Have there been reports about Mark Redwine's communications to other people during the rest of the night from 8:00 p.m. until early the next morning, the day he reported the boy missing?

 

[Crosby87]

LE confirmed that Dylan arrived at Mark's house though. I think the swabs taken in the home will turn out to be significant. :moo:

Wouldn't Mark be in jail by now if the swabs taken from his home indicated a crime had occurred?

 

[margarita25]

For those who think that Dylan never made it to MR's house, do you think MR planned to murder him or do you think he struck Dylan in anger and accidentally killed him? I think it would be difficult to do the latter in a car; it just seems more likely to me to happen at a house where there's more room to swing and the victim isn't sitting in a seat with a headrest.

To answer your question, my personal opinion is that IF MR is responsible for Dylan's death it was not premeditated.

A possible side theory is that MR may have had some shady dealings which might somehow fit into this.

Now I have a question Can anyone speculate as to why, if MR thinks its possible that Dylan was abducted (as stated in the most recent MSM article), that he has not directly addressed the perp or made any mention of the person who did this (the monster who killed my son)? He has had plenty of interaction with the media, but I don't see anything mentioning the person who might be responsible...wouldn't anger and the desire to seek justice / find the perp be the first thing one would mention to the media? Finding the creep who did this?

 

[margarita25]

Hi ya'll. I've been lurking on this thread since the remains of this child were found. I have been aware of his missing since right before Thanksgiving but haven't followed closely because I follow two other cases diligently. I'm trying to catch up. Excuse my asking the following question if it has been asked and answered before. There are numerous reports that Dylan last communicated by electronic means shortly after 8:00 p.m. Have there been reports about Mark Redwine's communications to other people during the rest of the night from 8:00 p.m. until early the next morning, the day he reported the boy missing?

Great question. I haven't heard any specific reports / details on MR's electronic communications, don't think LE has released that, could be wrong...anyone?

 

[cindysue]

If I had a vote I'd say planned

 

[Crosby87]

IMO
If someone wanted to make it look like Dylan walked away they could remove his shoes and if too tight for their feet remove laces and slip them on. Walk to the end of the driveway leaving prints like Dylan walked away or met a car at the end of the drive. If they harmed Dan they could then drive him to a remote place to leave his body. Toss the shoelaces but dispose of the shoes elsewhere. Just leaving tracks around (maybe even where his body was left) to try and fool forensics if they found foot prints.

That's right. And on some shoes, if they don't fit, the heel of the shoe will bend inwards making it possible to wear them around but I don't know if this was possible with the type of shoes Dylan was wearing when he arrived at his father's house.

Anyone know what size Dylan's running shoes were?

 

[margarita25]

That's right. And on some shoes, if they don't fit, the heel of the shoe will bend inwards making it possible to wear them around but I don't know if this was possible with the type of shoes Dylan was wearing when he arrived at his father's house.

Anyone know what size Dylan's running shoes were?

(Johnny Cochran flashback / "If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit".)

 

[Linda7NJ]

For those who think that Dylan never made it to MR's house, do you think MR planned to murder him or do you think he struck Dylan in anger and accidentally killed him? I think it would be difficult to do the latter in a car; it just seems more likely to me to happen at a house where there's more room to swing and the victim isn't sitting in a seat with a headrest.

I don't know, I could argue either way.

 

[iSleuth]

Wouldn't Mark be in jail by now if the swabs taken from his home indicated a crime had occurred?

Unfortunately, Maybe /maybe not? There are many cases where LE confirmed /disclosed some types of dna/and or and blood was found in the residence or vehicles of a missing child and -no arrests were made.

I hope that does not happen in this case.

sticky thing habeas corpus and the rights of the accused.
:banghead:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/usconstitution/a/habeascorpus.htm

 

[kkdj]

If I had a vote I'd say planned

Im thinking this too, if I had to vote at this point.
jmo

 

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by RANCH
It would be a poor alibi considering all of the other unaccounted time Mark would have. MOO.

Well, the way I see it and I'm quite certain many others do as well, is its a really "poor" thing for a parent to have killed their child.. Poor to say the least..yet, we know parents unfortunately do kill their kids..

So, in looking at the fact that in this particular scenario that was commented on regarding the alibi that in your opinion is "poor"..we aren't exactly talking about someone with a really great, level head here who makes well thought out decisions.. In this scenario we are speaking of an alibi for the crime of having killed their very own child..

So, for me the fact that their alibi may be "poor" would be no surprise.. IMO someone who has killed their child and the murder was in no way premeditated, but rather was a series of events that led to an escalation of tension, anger, frustration, and resentment that all came to a head and resulted in their killing their child..

IMO I personally would not expect in that scenario for the perpetrator to have a very thorough and well thought plan of how to cover all the bases after the fact of having killed their child... In fact I personally would expect just that, a "poor" alibi to have been constructed in the aftermath of having killed their child..

In many theories this was not a premeditated murder so to speak, but rather just as I described above an escalation of extreme anger, frustration, and resentment culminating in his lashing out on a totally innocent, defenseless, very small framed young man who died as a result..

"Poor" anger management skills, "poor" self restraint, "poor" coping skills, etc, etc..as IMO the list truly goes on and on of what all issues are at play that all are of a "poor" grade..

My opinion is it that the "poor" alibi you speak of fits perfectly with all of the multitude of other "poor" issues, mindsets, skills, etc that are at play in this crime with Mark Redwine.

As always jmo *IF* Mark Redwine is in fact responsible for having killed his son.

 

[Lordeebee]

For those who think that Dylan never made it to MR's house, do you think MR planned to murder him or do you think he struck Dylan in anger and accidentally killed him?

BBM

Thanks Mitsana - this got me thinking about how we've all heard the McDonald's story and how MR wanted to go have a sit-down dinner in a restaurant and Dylan pushed for McDonald's, and how Dylan "won".

I don't remember in the last 50+ threads any of us ever questioning this story - - other than how this might have contributed to MR's anger that evening, because he didn't get his way.

What if this exchange about where they wanted to eat never even happened? Perhaps it was Mark himself that wanted to have a quick, drive-thru dinner and eat it in the truck because he already had hurried plans for the rest of the evening. It's possible that he knew he had to make a couple of stops (Walmart and McDonalds) to lend an air of normalcy to that evening. MOO

In reading the below (transcript from MB interview), MR gave this rambling answer about McDonalds in answer to why he went to Walmart.



Melissa Blasius:
Why’d you go to Wal-Mart?

Mark Redwine:
Well, I had just recently come in from doing a job in Silver City, New Mexico, so, you know, I didn’t have a whole lot of things for us to eat, and you know, Dylan’s always adamant about having his snacks around and things for him to snack on when he’s around, and…so there was a need for us to grab enough things from Wal-Mart to be able to sustain ourselves for a day or two while we were figuring out… you know, I didn’t even buy anything for Thanksgiving because I didn’t have any concrete plan as to what we were going to do whether we were going to do it here or whether we were going to do it somewhere else. So, all I was trying to do was focus on, you know, having enough to get us by for the next couple days until we could make those arrangements. You know, Dylan … wanted to throw in a few videos that he found in the $5 bin, so we threw those in -- which is one of the movies we would watch that night … you know… when we were together… and… you
know…I mean there wasn’t a whole lot of things we needed.

We went to McDonalds. I wanted to go to a sit down restaurant -- sit down and talk to him. He wanted to go to McDonalds. He always wants to go to McDonalds. What 13-year-old kid doesn’t want to go to McDonalds? You know… wasn’t my first choice. We didn’t even eat it in McDonalds. We got it in the truck, went to the drive through and we’re eating it on our way home. So…

 

[SmoothOperator]

I don't know, I could argue either way.

This is where I am as well in that I can see it having happened premeditated..as well as I can also see it having happened as an escalation of events and the anger, bitterness, resentment, etc literally just hit the boiling point culminating in his lashing out with all of those years and years of built up anger and resentment unleashed on his innocent, defenseless son..

all jmo.

 

[margarita25]

For those who think that Dylan never made it to MR's house, do you think MR planned to murder him or do you think he struck Dylan in anger and accidentally killed him?

BBM

Thanks Mitsana - this got me thinking about how we've all heard the McDonald's story and how MR wanted to go have a sit-down dinner in a restaurant and Dylan pushed for McDonald's, and how Dylan "won".

I don't remember in the last 50+ threads any of us ever questioning this story - - other than how this might have contributed to MR's anger that evening, because he didn't get his way.

What if this exchange about where they wanted to eat never even happened? Perhaps it was Mark himself that wanted to have a quick, drive-thru dinner and eat it in the truck because he already had hurried plans for the rest of the evening. It's possible that he knew he had to make a couple of stops (Walmart and McDonalds) to lend an air of normalcy to that evening. MOO

In reading the below (transcript from MB interview), MR gave this rambling answer about McDonalds in answer to why he went to Walmart.



Melissa Blasius:
Why’d you go to Wal-Mart?

Mark Redwine:
Well, I had just recently come in from doing a job in Silver City, New Mexico, so, you know, I didn’t have a whole lot of things for us to eat, and you know, Dylan’s always adamant about having his snacks around and things for him to snack on when he’s around, and…so there was a need for us to grab enough things from Wal-Mart to be able to sustain ourselves for a day or two while we were figuring out… you know, I didn’t even buy anything for Thanksgiving because I didn’t have any concrete plan as to what we were going to do whether we were going to do it here or whether we were going to do it somewhere else. So, all I was trying to do was focus on, you know, having enough to get us by for the next couple days until we could make those arrangements. You know, Dylan … wanted to throw in a few videos that he found in the $5 bin, so we threw those in -- which is one of the movies we would watch that night … you know… when we were together… and… you
know…I mean there wasn’t a whole lot of things we needed.

We went to McDonalds. I wanted to go to a sit down restaurant -- sit down and talk to him. He wanted to go to McDonalds. He always wants to go to McDonalds. What 13-year-old kid doesn’t want to go to McDonalds? You know… wasn’t my first choice. We didn’t even eat it in McDonalds. We got it in the truck, went to the drive through and we’re eating it on our way home. So…

Just curious as to more details about Silver City.

 

[margarita25]

Oh no! Not enough to determine COD it seems:

Here's the post about this from the forensics thread:

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Dee10
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http://gazette.com/coroner-cause-of-...rticle/1503066
Quote:
"So far, the items that have been found are not enough to make an actual cause of death or manner of death," La Plata County Coroner Jann Smith said in a telephone message.


"Until investigation goes a little further, we may not know exactly what happened to Dylan," Smith said.
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[Crosby87]

For those who think that Dylan never made it to MR's house, do you think MR planned to murder him or do you think he struck Dylan in anger and accidentally killed him? I think it would be difficult to do the latter in a car; it just seems more likely to me to happen at a house where there's more room to swing and the victim isn't sitting in a seat with a headrest.

When LE confiscated MR's truck, did they measure the distance between the two seats to determine whether Dylan was sitting within striking distance of Mark? If Dylan was wearing a seatbelt, he would be restrained and unable to defend himself from blows to the head and left side of his body.

Because Mark scheduled an unnecessary appointment with his lawyer for Monday morning imo, he wasn't around when Dylan vanished, so I suspect MR planned these errands in advance so he could murder Dylan but I could be wrong. Mark did not have concrete plans to celebrate Thanksgiving with Dylan either and I suspect he had a hidden agenda but I could be wrong.

Because Dylan did not reply to his father's text messages after they returned from their vacation in August, I wonder if Dylan didn't want anything more to do with him but he was forced to go against his will because Mark was given visitation rights.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Well, the way I see it and I'm quite certain many others do as well, is its a really "poor" thing for a parent to have killed their child.. Poor to say the least..yet, we know parents unfortunately do kill their kids..

So, in looking at the fact that in this particular scenario that was commented on regarding the alibi that in your opinion is "poor"..we aren't exactly talking about someone with a really great, level head here who makes well thought out decisions.. In this scenario we are speaking of an alibi for the crime of having killed their very own child..

So, for me the fact that their alibi may be "poor" would be no surprise.. IMO someone who has killed their child and the murder was in no way premeditated, but rather was a series of events that led to an escalation of tension, anger, frustration, and resentment that all came to a head and resulted in their killing their child..

IMO I personally would not expect in that scenario for the perpetrator to have a very thorough and well thought plan of how to cover all the bases after the fact of having killed their child... In fact I personally would expect just that, a "poor" alibi to have been constructed in the aftermath of having killed their child..

In many theories this was not a premeditated murder so to speak, but rather just as I described above an escalation of extreme anger, frustration, and resentment culminating in his lashing out on a totally innocent, defenseless, very small framed young man who died as a result..

"Poor" anger management skills, "poor" self restraint, "poor" coping skills, etc, etc..as IMO the list truly goes on and on of what all issues are at play that all are of a "poor" grade..

My opinion is it that the "poor" alibi you speak of fits perfectly with all of the multitude of other "poor" issues, mindsets, skills, etc that are at play in this crime with Mark Redwine.

As always jmo *IF* Mark Redwine is in fact responsible for having killed his son.

Mark Redwine does not have an alibi in this case. That being said, the fact that he doesn't have an alibi does not make him guilty either. MOO.

 

[iSleuth]

For those who think that Dylan never made it to MR's house, do you think MR planned to murder him or do you think he struck Dylan in anger and accidentally killed him? I think it would be difficult to do the latter in a car; it just seems more likely to me to happen at a house where there's more room to swing and the victim isn't sitting in a seat with a headrest.

I think Dylan made it home.
I do not think it was planned. Although I have thought happened 8-10ish pm
or early AM maybe maybe

there is a 3rd possibility

what if there was an argument. over______ fillin the blank.
Is this possible??? would DR have gotten up and said I am running away...and MR say something like...ohNo you aren't...and followed him. and the crime scene was ...the drive way...or the road or something!

boys this age will bolt like that maybe.
especially if DR had some sort of PTSD due to last few months

maybe they argued argued argued and DR took offtowardsss the door..towards danger/ wild animals...and MR...had to ...

I could definitely see that. I was married for 22 years to a bi polar rage a holic and I have definitely seen him "go after" the boys specifically!
one of the reasons why he is my ex. Just sayin'

 

[al66pine]

I'm sure this has been posted:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-found-dead-points-finger-at-dad-report-says/

"Mark Redwine had maintained that he had nothing to do with his son's disappearance and offers his own theory on what happened.

"I've always believed that one of two things happened. When he walked out the front door he set out for a destination and never made it. Or I've always thought a vehicle pulled up in front of my house and he knew who it was and he got into a vehicle with somebody," Mark Redwine told the station."

(*still no direct reference to MR addressing the potential perp and/or trying to find / track down the person(s) responsible in an effort to seek justice.)

BBM above.
Some say MR's 'failure' to say something to the effect- 'I want to find the person responsible for Dylan's death'
is evidence of MR's involvement in Dylan's death.

The thing is -- we don't know what was edited out from that interview
For all I know, MR said that exact thing, multiple times during that interview,
but the reporter or producer chose to use the above sound bite in the broadcast segment.

Parent saying - I want to find the person responsible for killing my child =
less newsworthy /less quotable than
parent saying - I think x or y is what led to my child's death.

"MR did not say it" (want to find child's killer)?
or
MR said it, but it was edited out by reporter or producer.
-----------------------------------------------

My point is about flawed reasoning process in cases generally, from one interview--
concluding that parent's failure to express this desire = evidence of involvement.

In this case, MR has been interviewed by broadcast & print MSM many times.
Many posters here say MR has not expressed this desire in any interview.
Last night I watched both Dr. P. Feb. shows, and if MR said it there -
in a long interview, where he had time to express it, I missed it.

MR's responses re taking polygraph exam speaks volumes to me.