Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[DylansMom34]

IIRC Mark got around to texting Elaine pretty late. Around 4:30/5:00. She got Mike and Cory and made the 6 + hour drive to Vallecito. Receiving the text so late tells me her work day was likely done by the time she received it MOO. Seems she isn't the parent who waited to respond

 

[Linda7NJ]

IIRC Mark got around to texting Elaine pretty late. Around 4:30/5:00. She got Mike and Cory and made the 6 + hour drive to Vallecito. Receiving the text so late tells me her work day was likely done by the time she received it MOO. Seems she isn't the parent who waited to respond

And she certainly didn't lay down to take a nap first!

 

[Mitsana]

Mark probably had cereal that morning and left the bowl out.

The cereal bowl is something MR mentioned, presumably indicating that Dylan had gotten up after he left...

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209881/Police-reveal-no-new-leads--

"In an interview with The Denver Post, Mark Redwine said he returned to find a dirty cereal bowl near the sink, the television was on Nickelodeon, and his son’s fishing pole was missing."

 

[Linda7NJ]

I see absolutely nothing that leads me to believe anything Mark says. What he does say is contradictory and incongruent to how a loving father trying to have a relationship with his son would behave both before and after Dylan went missing. All IMO

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Is it?

Or is it like other parents that have questioned the same thing with respect to Amber Alerts? I am going to submit that there have been a number of parents of children that have questioned the system. So why would asking questions of why LE did not issue an Amber Alert, be an example of deflecting?

I would be asking the same question, and I know I would not be deflecting!

IMO it would depend on when the question was being asked, was it immediately, a week later, a month later etc?

With regard to Amber Alerts if one was issued for each child that went missing would it be a useful alert or would people just switch off? IMO Amber Alerts have a place, that place is when there is a known vehicle that people can look out for.

I do recall hearing that a reverse 911 call went out in the local area the evening Dylan was reported missing.

 

[rebeccaeee]

I have only heard about 1 friend J, from Colorado Springs. Has anyone offered information, whether that be LE, the family, with respect to his other friends that he had made so many new friendships with? Or is this once again just based on unsubstantiated information to date?

Well, they had a huge fundraiser at his new middle school in Colo Springs. The yearbook devoted an entire page to him. Several of his "new" friends have been active in social media. I cannot accept your insinuation that his happiness in his new home was unsubstantiated. Nor does it matter. Dan Bender has clearly said this is not the case of a runaway.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I also find it telling that Dylan had his own cell phone, yet did not communicate with Mark after the last visit right up until this one.

I find that bizarre.

 

[Tennlyn]

Were they panicked? I thought Elaine finished her day at the office. If they were panicked, why did they not find it unusual for Dylan not to reply to Elaine's text?

RSBM

By the time Mark had finished his nap and driven to Bayfield, etc., it was about 5 pm before he texted Elaine. Thus her workday was pretty much over. If I recall correctly, she went home grabbed a few things including Cory and Mike, and was on the road to Vallecito by 6 pm. I'd call that pretty panicked! :moo::moo::moo:

And she was on the phone to the Sheriff's office to report Dylan missing. Per the March Press Release, Elaine (not Mark) is the one that actually reported Dylan missing. I don't think Mark wanted LE to look for Dylan at all. :moo::moo::moo:

ETA: http://gazette.com/monument-moms-life-halted-by-sons-disappearance/article/149885
Wow! I always forget this part - they started searching as soon as they arrived.
"By 1 a.m., they began their personal search. “Panic set in,” Hall said. They knocked on doors, stopped at the convenience store, woke up neighbors looking for Dylan, he said. "

 

[JustJeannie]

IMO it would depend on when the question was being asked, was it immediately, a week later, a month later etc?

With regard to Amber Alerts if one was issued for each child that went missing would it be a useful alert or would people just switch off? IMO Amber Alerts have a place, that place is when there is a known vehicle that people can look out for.

I do recall hearing that a reverse 911 call went out in the local area the evening Dylan was reported missing.

BBM

In my opinion, people would just switch it off. I live in an area that gets small tornadoes a couple of times a year, and larger ones on occasion. About 28 years ago, an F-5 and an F-4 tornado went through our area in the same night, and devastated a few towns. After that, the tornado sirens started going off all the time when the weather was bad. At first, we all took off for the basements, but after many false alarms, people started ignoring them unless it looked really, really bad out. Eventually they realized that they needed to only use the sirens when a tornado had been spotted in the immediate area, because otherwise people just think it is an overreaction and won't pay attention when it is really needed.

I suspect a glut of Amber alerts based just on the fact that a child is missing, would cause the same reaction.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

BBM

In my opinion, people would just switch it off. I live in an area that gets small tornadoes a couple of times a year, and larger ones on occasion. About 28 years ago, an F-5 and an F-4 tornado went through our area in the same night, and devastated a few towns. After that, the tornado sirens started going off all the time when the weather was bad. At first, we all took off for the basements, but after many false alarms, people started ignoring them unless it looked really, really bad out. Eventually they realized that they needed to only use the sirens when a tornado had been spotted in the immediate area, because otherwise people just think it is an overreaction and won't pay attention when it is really needed.

I suspect a glut of Amber alerts based just on the fact that a child is missing, would cause the same reaction.

that's a brilliant comparison and it really explains the complacency that happens when people get used to hearing things regularly, and no one can afford to be complacent about missing children or tornados.

 

[Tennlyn]

I have only heard about 1 friend J, from Colorado Springs. Has anyone offered information, whether that be LE, the family, with respect to his other friends that he had made so many new friendships with? Or is this once again just based on unsubstantiated information to date?

Seems pretty substantiated to me. Here's just a few of the quotes one can find. :moo:

"“Out of everyone I had, he was my best friend. He was always there for me no matter what,” [J] said. “If I had a bad day, he would sit down and talk to me. He would say ‘don’t get mad, don’t get sad, life will get better for you.’”

"He had started to grow out of his shyness and spread his wings socially in the city. As the new boy in school, he already had attracted the attention of a number of girls" [snipped name of potential minor]

"He is a fan of Skate City, a local roller rink where middle-schoolers are known to mingle, and was starting to find a group of friends at his new school, Lewis Palmer Middle School, said his American History teacher, Suzanne Magerko."

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687


And also:

"[Z] 14, was a classmate of Dylan’s. When asked about Dylan, [Z] said with a small grin that Dylan was popular in a lot of circles, and was one of the kids who could always nail “the popular kids in gym class, when we were playing dodgeball.”
http://gazette.com/prayer-vigil-held-for-missing-13-year-old-boy/article/148009


Sounds to me like Dylan was definitely blossoming in Colorado Springs. :moo::moo::moo:

 

[Linda7NJ]

I also find it telling that Dylan had his own cell phone, yet did not communicate with Mark after the last visit right up until this one.

I find that bizarre.

Sorry to quote myself, just jumping off this in my thoughts....
In my limited experience, Children of messy divorce are typically exceptional at manipulating or playing one parent against the other. Most of my son's friends fit into this category. There is zero evidence of that. There is zero evidence of any real bond at all. That I can see anyway.

Some talk about passing a football and playing with army men in the driveway? seriously?

All IMO

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Seems pretty substantiated to me. Here's just a few of the quotes one can find. :moo:

"“Out of everyone I had, he was my best friend. He was always there for me no matter what,” [J] said. “If I had a bad day, he would sit down and talk to me. He would say ‘don’t get mad, don’t get sad, life will get better for you.’”

"He had started to grow out of his shyness and spread his wings socially in the city. As the new boy in school, he already had attracted the attention of a number of girls" [snipped name of potential minor]

"He is a fan of Skate City, a local roller rink where middle-schoolers are known to mingle, and was starting to find a group of friends at his new school, Lewis Palmer Middle School, said his American History teacher, Suzanne Magerko."

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687


And also:

"[Z] 14, was a classmate of Dylan’s. When asked about Dylan, [Z] said with a small grin that Dylan was popular in a lot of circles, and was one of the kids who could always nail “the popular kids in gym class, when we were playing dodgeball.”
http://gazette.com/prayer-vigil-held-for-missing-13-year-old-boy/article/148009


Sounds to me like Dylan was definitely blossoming in Colorado Springs. :moo::moo::moo:

thanks for providing links to real information.

I'm still trying to work out why Dylans friendships were brought into question, not sure what they have to do with his disappearance or his murder, IMO it seems like they are being used as a deflection.

 

[Mitsana]

It may be ones belief, but that does not make it true, nor a reflection of Dylan's texting pattern, especially when Elaine herself stated on NG, something very different.

Again for the cite it is in the NG interview.

I just tracked down transcripts from two NG shows, one with ER, one without. I looked at all the references to the word "phone." IMO, none of these references make it seem less likely that Dylan would have texted RN in the morning; in fact they make it seem more likely to me. If there was some other context in those shows that you are alluding to, I'd be interested in seeing/reading it.

I know this is going to be a bit long, but here are all the extracts that reference Dylan's phone from two NG transcripts (minus a little bit of redundancy):

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

"JOSTAD: Yes, he did have a cell phone, according to his mom, Elaine Redwine. And she said, too, just the fact that -- according to cell records she`s seen, the fact that there was no activity on Dylan`s cell phone after 8:00 PM is very unusual. She says this is a tech-savvy kid who is always texting."

"BENDER: My understanding is -- and our investigators have checked his cell phone. Also, cell phones have GPS`s, so if they`re turned on, that gives a general location of the person. And we have been following up on those right along, and there`s been no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime."

"MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION (via telephone): Well, first of all, Nancy, people are pointing a lot of fingers at the father because he was the last person to see Dylan alive, also because law enforcement is not treating this like a runaway, by any means, not if they`re taking cadaver dogs into lakes, not if they`re running multi-jurisdictional searches.

And also, the father is being very mean towards the mother and the brother. He`s not contacting them. He`s not providing any information to them. He`s a reluctant witness, as far as the media goes.

So I can understand why people would point fingers at this guy. And I think that he has to be a lot more forthcoming if we`re going to have a chance of finding Dylan.

I don`t believe this little boy ran away. His cell phone, apparently, was turned off immediately, which was out of character. So nothing is adding up in this case."

" O`DONNELL: Right, well, the boy was last seen at 11:30, the father told investigators that he started his search on his own for about four hours, didn`t report him missing until the early evening on that Monday. The most bizarre thing about this case, though, Nancy, is that Dylan, a prolific texter as most 13-year-old boys are who have cell phones -- his phone was not used since 8:00 p.m. Sunday night. His phone was not even on after 8:00 p.m. Sunday night."

" GRACE: Let`s analyze what we know.

OK. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst. Bethany, my little boy just turned 5, and when people come to the door, I haven`t given him an iPad or nothing like that. But when people come to the door, he goes, I`m going to need your cell phone now because he knows how to look up games on an iPhone and find stuff. He keeps trying to get my BlackBerry to look up games. So when they`re into it, they`re into it. What does this mean?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF 'DEALBREAKERS': Yes. Well, and also this little boy`s older brother Cory, the 21-year-old, said that the little boy was glued to his cell phone and that if he was ever in trouble or needed anything he would`ve called his older brother, mother, and stepfather. And the fact that he hasn`t reached out does not speak well. "

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

"[Elaine] REDWINE: Yes. Dylan always kept in touch with me because he knew I was the one paying the phone bill, and if he wouldn`t keep in touch with me, I would take his phone away and he didn`t want that. So he made sure that he always -- there was -- there was never a time I couldn`t account for where Dylan was because he was very good at letting me know where he was at all times."

" GRACE: What`s this business about bad cell reception in that area? Was there bad cell reception? Did you have a problem hearing from him back on Labor Day, the last time he had visited his dad?

REDWINE: You know, there is bad cell reception, but texts always seemed to come through. So while you can`t necessarily speak with someone on the phone...

GRACE: That`s true.

REDWINE: ... it doesn`t seem like I ever had an issue getting texts from Dylan up there.

GRACE: You know, that`s true. That`s a very common experience. You cannot get a cell to make a cell phone call, but you can get texts in and out. You can even get texts up in the air on an airplane somehow.

REDWINE: Right."

"[NG]… We are taking your calls. To Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert joining me out of Raleigh tonight. Ben, explain to me this phenomenon that his mom is talking about that we`re all familiar with, and that is a lot of times, you cannot make your cell phone work, but you can get texts out. So all this business about it`s a bad texting area, you can`t get a cell, well, guess what? You can send a text.

BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT: That`s absolutely right, Nancy. The texting goes over a different line than your voice calls go over. And that line is stronger, and it`s a very strong digital line. So you would - - you will be able to send a text. You will be able to call 911. And a lot of times, you know, you`ll be able to dial a call, but the call won`t go through.

GRACE: So wait, wait. I`m just a lawyer, Ben Levitan.

LEVITAN: I`m sorry.

GRACE: What do you mean it`s a different line? You`ve got one cell phone. The text will always go through. You can send and receive texts, but you cannot make a phone call on that cell phone. Why?

LEVITAN: Well, because, Nancy, there is -- there`s -- your cell phone is a radio. And you have a -- you have a radio connection to talk on. So, you know, your cell phone is like a little broadcast station. You speak into a microphone, and you are broadcasting your voice to a cell tower. Also you have a radio receiver that you hold on your ear. The cell tower broadcasts to you, and then there`s a third line which controls the cell phone. And that`s used -- that`s used just by the cell phone network to send your telephone messages to ring, to send you caller I.D., and to send you text messages.

That line is much more robust. So that`s why, very often, if you cannot -- if you cannot make a voice call, you still can send out a text message because it`s going over a different line. "

" GRACE: OK, so that`s normal. What about the cell phone and the backpack and other belongings?

[Elaine] REDWINE: It was my understanding from his dad that everything Dylan had was in his backpack including his cell phone, his iPod, his iPod charger, his cell phone charger, all of his clothes. So we had to actually make a trip to get some of Dylan`s clothes from where we live in Colorado Springs because it was my understanding there were no clothes at his dad`s house. "


"Miss Redwine, I was thinking about the way this timeline is unfolding. I know he texted you when he touched down, that was at 7:06 p.m. The next morning he was going to go meet some of his little friends. He`s got a lot of friends in the area from having lived there. Did any of his friends hear from him that morning?

REDWINE: No, not that I`m aware of. And I`ve spoken to some of his friends, but no. It doesn`t appear that anyone`s heard from Dylan since Sunday evening.

GRACE: Elaine, is there a landline there in the home?

REDWINE: Yes, there is.

GRACE: So if he wanted to, he couldn`t make his cell phone get a proper signal, he could have used the landline to call his friends, right?

REDWINE: That would be my assumption as well, yes.

GRACE: Do you know if there is Internet in the home? Does the dad have a laptop or a desktop?

REDWINE: Yes, he does.

GRACE: Did anybody get any e-mails from Dylan?

REDWINE: Not that I`m aware of, no. I certainly didn`t, and I don`t think anyone else did either.

GRACE: How unusual is this for Dylan? Isn`t -- doesn`t he love to text?

REDWINE: It`s extremely unusual for Dylan. I mean, you know, he wanted me to get him a smartphone so bad and in retrospect I wish I would have gotten him one quicker, but it was what I was going to get him for Christmas, what I`m going to get him for Christmas because he kind of outgrew his little -- his phone that he had. It was just a little flip phone. And he was just - - that thing was smoking by the time he was done. "

 

[Linda7NJ]

I read (and I don't remember where) that it was a shred of a shirt and it was not the one he was wearing at Walmart.

I've search for this information, can't find it.

Please provide a link

 

[Linda7NJ]

From the transcript above

[Elaine] REDWINE: It was my understanding from his dad that everything Dylan had was in his backpack including his cell phone, his iPod, his iPod charger, his cell phone charger, all of his clothes. So we had to actually make a trip to get some of Dylan`s clothes from where we live in Colorado Springs because it was my understanding there were no clothes at his dad`s house. "


That's in direct conflict with what Mark is claiming now. He didn't even think to look for his backpack for days,

 

[azgrandma]

Usually don't the cops look at who has a motive and opportunity to find the poi? It's that simple usually

There is a saying that I heard years ago, KISS everything. Keep It Simple Stupid. Motive, means and opportunity - motive does not need to be obvious or even known; general public just likes to have one.

 

[MissJ]

Were they panicked? I thought Elaine finished her day at the office. If they were panicked, why did they not find it unusual for Dylan not to reply to Elaine's text?

From everything Elaine has stated, I certainly did not get the impression of panic, as Dylan would text her when "he landed", and if not that night, then the next morning when he woke. Did Dylan text her as soon as he awoke? 1 hour after he awoke? 2 hours after he awoke?

This is in the NG interview for anyone that will aske for a cite.

This does not strike me as being panicked. It sounds like this was a normal pattern for Dylan.

Another thing. Has it ever been stated whose home Dylan slept over the night prior to leaving for his dads?

I saw nothing in the NG interview that stated ER was NOT worried or that she finished out her workday. Please provide the link to that statement.

 

[MissJ]

Has the amount of the child support been released? Had the amount of the child support been determined? Was the amount of the child support being disputed?

For that matter, does anyone know the amount of the child support? Was it $10, $20, $50, $100?

Even if a child support amount had been determined, Mark still had the ability to dispute the amount based on his income.

This is one of the weakest arguments.

JMO, Any amount is a powerful motive, because MR LOST the child support he had been receiving. Did he dispute the amount? May I ask how we know about his income? If we do in fact know.:twocents::moo:

Many states have a minimum amount of child support to be paid even if you are unemployed or work at minimum wage.

 

[Linda7NJ]

JMO, Any amount is a powerful motive, because MR LOST the child support he had been receiving. Did he dispute the amount? May I ask how we know about his income? If we do in fact know.:twocents::moo:

Many states have a minimum amount of child support to be paid even if you are unemployed or work at minimum wage.

I'm still stunned he even got child support for a child he spent time with three-four times a year