Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[KateNY]

Yes, when Bender said they found all they would find I had hope they had enough evidence and would just need some further analysis of the evidence. But then when they went back out searching on Wednesday, I gotta say that my hope dwindled a little.

My hope is that analysis of the scene and/or evidence found there, along with perhaps with other evidence they had, gave LE some clue, or insight on where to look further...

:twocents:

 

[*Lash*]

Question. How many here think an SO would dispose of Dylan's backpack somewhere other than where they placed his body? I know serial killers have been known to have a morbid attraction to keeping something from their victim. I haven't seen this as much in the cases where the perp is a random SO. I don't think an SO is necessarily thinking as much about leaving evidence as they're hurrying. In my opinion, they wouldn't want to get caught with Dylan's backpack. Which leads me to believe the person that killed Dylan was VERY concerned some evidence could lead back to them. Hence the reason to separate Dylan from his backpack or someone who disposed of the backpack to lead LE to believe Dylan took off on his own. Of course, LE could have the backpack in their possession and has chosen not to release this information.

 

[ColdHands]

Question. How many here think an SO would dispose of Dylan's backpack somewhere other than where they placed his body? I know serial killers have been known to have a morbid attraction to keeping something from their victim. I haven't seen this as much in the cases where the perp is a random SO. I don't think an SO is necessarily thinking as much about leaving evidence as they're hurrying. In my opinion, they wouldn't want to get caught with Dylan's backpack. Which leads me to believe the person that killed Dylan was VERY concerned some evidence could lead back to them. Hence the reason to separate Dylan from his backpack or someone who disposed of the backpack to lead LE to believe Dylan took off on his own. Of course, LE could have the backpack in their possession and has chosen not to release this information.

I can't pretend to think like an evil person, but my guess is a trophy would be smaller - maybe something that was in his backpack. I've always believed the backpack was disposed of somewhere else.

I hope one reason we've never been given details about what was in the backpack is because LE has it. Hope.

ETA I always thought they'd find the backpack first.

 

[Salem]

Question. How many here think an SO would dispose of Dylan's backpack somewhere other than where they placed his body? I know serial killers have been known to have a morbid attraction to keeping something from their victim. I haven't seen this as much in the cases where the perp is a random SO. I don't think an SO is necessarily thinking as much about leaving evidence as they're hurrying. In my opinion, they wouldn't want to get caught with Dylan's backpack. Which leads me to believe the person that killed Dylan was VERY concerned some evidence could lead back to them. Hence the reason to separate Dylan from his backpack or someone who disposed of the backpack to lead LE to believe Dylan took off on his own. Of course, LE could have the backpack in their possession and has chosen not to release this information.

We know this happened in the Jessica Ridgeway case. The perp actually planted her backpack in the street, right?

Who knows what goes through their minds?

I'm not convinced at this point that the location of the find is the actual crime scene or even the actual dumping spot, kwim? I'm just not sure that animals did not move those items from the actual spot. Just because so little was found. I really believe there is another area out there somewhere, with additional clues. I think the backpack is at the original dumping spot - where ever that is.

At least that is what I think today.

Salem

 

[cluciano63]

I can't help but think that the lack of the backpack on the mountain top means it was not with Dylan when Dylan left the house, either alive or otherwise. If he had it with him, why not leave it up there as well as anyplace else? I think the backpack was an afterthought and that putting all of Dylan's things into it was a mistake by the perp, as I can't think of a good reason why Dylan would have taken everything he had to go out that morning. Would have seemed much more normal to have found some items of Dylan's strewn about the living room-just as items from his backpack should be strewn about near his remains, if he had it with him.

 

[Eileen730]

Did Elaine say that none of her questions answered? Or did she say that Mark didn't confess? Do you have a link that shows what Elaine actually said about the mediation?

She said her questions were not answered!

 

[Mitsana]

I can't help but think that the lack of the backpack on the mountain top means it was not with Dylan when Dylan left the house, either alive or otherwise. If he had it with him, why not leave it up there as well as anyplace else? I think the backpack was an afterthought and that putting all of Dylan's things into it was a mistake by the perp, as I can't think of a good reason why Dylan would have taken everything he had to go out that morning. Would have seemed much more normal to have found some items of Dylan's strewn about the living room-just as items from his backpack should be strewn about near his remains, if he had it with him.

I wonder if all the missing things (including electronics, hat, and shoes) isn't stuffed into the backpack, weighted, and dumped in the middle of the lake (i.e. Vallecito Reservoir). A lake would not be a good place to leave a body, unless you have a really good way to make sure it stays underwater, which is pretty awkward. But it's a great place to hide a weighted backpack. On the other hand, a wilderness mountainside which is closed for the winter is a relatively good place to hide a body, which will hard to detect by springtime. But it's a bad place to hide a backpack, which is unlikely to degrade much over the winter. So, basically, it seems like the body was hidden in a great place to hide a body and the backpack may have been hidden in a great place to hide a backpack. Also, someone else also pointed out that water is useful for destroying electronics.

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder if all the missing things (including electronics, hat, and shoes) isn't stuffed into the backpack, weighted, and dumped in the middle of the lake (i.e. Vallecito Reservoir). A lake would not be a good place to leave a body, unless you have a really good way to make sure it stays underwater, which is pretty awkward. But it's a great place to hide a weighted backpack. On the other hide, a wilderness mountainside which is closed for the winter is a relatively good place to hide a body, which will hard to detect by springtime. But it's a bad place to hide a backpack, which is unlikely to degrade much over the winter. So, basically, it seems like the body was hidden in a great place to hide a body and the backpack may have been hidden in a great place to hide a backpack. Someone else also pointed out that water is useful for destroying electronics.

It's possible, but my guess is the backpack was an afterthought. Either perp went home and saw it and decided it was better if it was gone, to lead to a runaway theory, or perp found he had it in his vehicle after leaving Dylan and dumped it elsewhere. Depending on who the perp is.

 

[Salem]

The backpack in the lake is a definite possibility. How far out do you think it would have been taken? Would it have required a boat or just some wading?

The search of MR's home was not done for 10 days, so LE probably would not have found any evidence of wet/muddy clothes to indicate someone had been in the lake, on that front. We have no idea if LE ever searched the homes of any of the RSOs - so nothing there either I wish they would give us more info on what was done in that quarter, kwim?

They did sonar on the lake in a few different spots, but I'm not sure just what they might find? Would a backpack show up as something distinct and different from other things on the lake bottom? Or would it just look like a log or something? Interesting thought.

Salem

 

[Ghostwheel]

I would also like to ask Mark:

Did you tell Dylan that if he didn't get up that he would miss seeing his friends because its too much driving to go back and forth? Did you try calling his cell phone from your phone to see if that might jostle him awake? Did you pull off his covers to see if that would help? Did you cook some bacon to see if his hungry boy's stomach would wake him? Did you nudge or shake him a little?

Really, how many of us with children ever failed completely to wake them up if they needed to get up?

I mostly agree with you, but I do have a friend who literally had to pick her son up and drag him to the car to get him to school most days. He did not go to bed at 9:30pm, though, more like 3:00 am. But this also points out that if you want your child to go with you, you find a way.

 

[Mitsana]

The backpack in the lake is a definite possibility. How far out do you think it would have been taken? Would it have required a boat or just some wading?

The search of MR's home was not done for 10 days, so LE probably would not have found any evidence of wet/muddy clothes to indicate someone had been in the lake, on that front. We have no idea if LE ever searched the homes of any of the RSOs - so nothing there either I wish they would give us more info on what was done in that quarter, kwim?

They did sonar on the lake in a few different spots, but I'm not sure just what they might find? Would a backpack show up as something distinct and different from other things on the lake bottom? Or would it just look like a log or something? Interesting thought.

Salem

I don't know anything about the reservoir. Are there any rowboats tied up on shore? Is there some place like a dam wall where someone could stand and just drop it into a deep section? How about something like a jetty or peninsula where someone could build up speed and toss it in a la hammer throw? Those are some ideas that come to mind. The safest (deepest) would probably be via row boat.

I also don't know how likely a sonar search for a body would be to turn up a suspicious backpack-shaped lump. It might just look like a rock, even if they did detect it.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I'm still hoping LE checked all the vault toilets in the campgrounds for the backpack. And continue to check them. I'm telling you, you drop something in there, most people using them aren't looking inside.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I know - I think it is entirely too quiet. But maybe they are just working the info that they have now?

Salem

IMO they've told the public all we really need to know... Until they arrest someone.

 

[margarita25]

Just a thought, (if the backpack is not somewhere else far away as a red herring)...

Maybe the backpack was buried with Dylan, but the coyotes didn't dig it up or scatter it?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I would also like to ask Mark:

Did you tell Dylan that if he didn't get up that he would miss seeing his friends because its too much driving to go back and forth? Did you try calling his cell phone from your phone to see if that might jostle him awake? Did you pull off his covers to see if that would help? Did you cook some bacon to see if his hungry boy's stomach would wake him? Did you nudge or shake him a little?

Really, how many of us with children ever failed completely to wake them up if they needed to get up?

BBM

I think that there's a difference between "needing" a child to get up in the morning for something like school vs getting them up to visit friends which is what we have in this case. MOO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I can't help but think that the lack of the backpack on the mountain top means it was not with Dylan when Dylan left the house, either alive or otherwise. If he had it with him, why not leave it up there as well as anyplace else? I think the backpack was an afterthought and that putting all of Dylan's things into it was a mistake by the perp, as I can't think of a good reason why Dylan would have taken everything he had to go out that morning. Would have seemed much more normal to have found some items of Dylan's strewn about the living room-just as items from his backpack should be strewn about near his remains, if he had it with him.

I always thought Dylan was disposed of first the night he arrived and the backpack ditched on the following morning travels...

 

[MissUnderstood]

Has the amount of the child support been released? Had the amount of the child support been determined? Was the amount of the child support being disputed?

For that matter, does anyone know the amount of the child support? Was it $10, $20, $50, $100?

Even if a child support amount had been determined, Mark still had the ability to dispute the amount based on his income.

This is one of the weakest arguments.

IMO it's not the amount of money involved it is what it represents! It's a "loss" but not monetarily. It is a loss of power!!!

 

[Dee10]

Just a thought, (if the backpack is not somewhere else far away as a red herring)...

Maybe the backpack was buried with Dylan, but the coyotes didn't dig it up or scatter it?

In my mind, I have ruled out buried. I have tried to dig before in areas with less trees, very difficult because of root systems and the other factor would be rocks. Rocks & roots would be very difficult and time consuming.

If MR is correct about 2 femur bones and shoelaces it makes me think he may have been drug to an area. I can't remember the link to Mark claiming two femur bones though.

I do think a lot is happening behind the scenes and that is why LE is so quiet (at least I hope).

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM

I think that there's a difference between "needing" a child to get up in the morning for something like school vs getting them up to visit friends which is what we have in this case. MOO.

Truth be told... Mark said the time Dylan spent with his friends would be perfect for Mark, as it would allow Mark to do things he needed to do because he just got back to town. It would be better than dragging Dylan around he errands that he didn't want to do. Source of info : Mark on the radio show


Which IMO makes perfect sense.

But when you consider Mark allegedly didn't wait for Dylan to get up and then take him to his friends...then continue on after to do his errands...sounds like a load of crap!
His errands weren't imperative nor were they appointments.
It was his sons first day there since Labor Day and the first thing Mark does is leave? After acknowledging how very important it was to Dylan that he get to his friends house?
No one sleeps that hard after going to sleep @10pm, even if that person was up until the early morning hours the night before. IMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Truth be told... Mark said the time Dylan spent with his friends would be perfect for Mark, as it would allow Mark to do things he needed to do because he just got back to town. It would be better than dragging Dylan around he errands that he didn't want to do. Source of info : Mark on the radio show


Which IMO makes perfect sense.

But when you consider Mark allegedly didn't wait for Dylan to get up and then take him to his friends...then continue on after to do his errands...sounds like a load of crap!
His errands weren't imperative nor were they appointments.
It was his sons first day there since Labor Day and the first thing Mark does is leave? After acknowledging how very important it was to Dylan that he get to his friends house?
No one sleeps that hard after going to sleep @10pm, even if that person was up until the early morning hours the night before. IMO

It doesn't sound like a load of crap to me. Dylan wouldn't get up and Mark had to go into town to take care of some business. How do you know that his going into work and seeing his lawyer was not imperative and how do you know that he didn't have an appointment or make a promise to see his lawyer?

I'm not sure what to say about no one sleeps hard after getting little sleep the day before. I know that I do. I call it catching up on my sleep.MOO.