Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[Money Girl]

A little O/T. I couldn't find a transcript for the 3/17 TG blogTalkRadio interview with ER. Is there one somewhere that I'm missing?

Maybe we should transcribe it, since it seems to be one of the most pertinent interviews that contains valuable information that everyone quotes from. Interesting that it has not already been transcribed by those who transcribed all the others.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It doesn't sound like a load of crap to me. Dylan wouldn't get up and Mark had to go into town to take care of some business. How do you know that his going into work and seeing his lawyer was not imperative and how do you know that he didn't have an appointment or make a promise to see his lawyer?

I'm not sure what to say about no one sleeps hard after getting little sleep the day before. I know that I do. I call it catching up on my sleep.MOO.

The information about not being an appointment previously set has long been known and thoroughly discussed from early on here. perhaps you could find it in the timeline thread?

I call it catching up on my sleep too. But I'm no longer a young teen eager to spend time with my friends that i haven't seen since Labor Day & that I'm so excited to see, it's the number one priority on my list.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Question. How many here think an SO would dispose of Dylan's backpack somewhere other than where they placed his body? I know serial killers have been known to have a morbid attraction to keeping something from their victim. I haven't seen this as much in the cases where the perp is a random SO. I don't think an SO is necessarily thinking as much about leaving evidence as they're hurrying. In my opinion, they wouldn't want to get caught with Dylan's backpack. Which leads me to believe the person that killed Dylan was VERY concerned some evidence could lead back to them. Hence the reason to separate Dylan from his backpack or someone who disposed of the backpack to lead LE to believe Dylan took off on his own. Of course, LE could have the backpack in their possession and has chosen not to release this information.

BBM: I'm hoping for this one.
If an SO abducted Dylan from the house, he would not likely have taken the backpack or fishing pole. If Dylan was walking along with his backpack to try to get to his friends house, then an SO could have had possession of Dylan's backpack, but wrestling a 13 year old WITH a backpack on into a vehicle when they are conscious is not an easy task. If Dylan was knocked out, then the backpack would more likely have been thrown in after the fact. The only way I can see the backpack ending up somewhere different (not in the same woods where Dylan was found) would be: as mentioned previously, the abductor discovered the backpack after the body was disposed of and dumped it wherever the abductor was when he discovered it; there was a planned or convenient place to dispose of the backpack, either before or after; someone still has the backpack hidden.

 

[Money Girl]

I would also like to know WHY after ONE AND A HALF hours of trying to wake Dylan up, he didn't wake up?

In some of Mark's early interviews, he did say that Dylan acknowledged what he said but chose to sleep instead of getting up then.

I don't find that unusual in my experience with boys that age.

Also from my personal experience, I doubt that Dylan unpacked his backpack when he got there. He would probably have taken the backpack, fully loaded, on his visit to his friends; I have not seen it stated anywhere but I would think he planned on staying with his friends until Mark picked him up to do whatever they were going to do for Thanksgiving. Believe I saw it mentioned that they might spend Thanksgiving with Mark's brother. If they did, then Dylan would probably be taking his fully loaded backpack there in case they stayed overnight the night before or the night of Thanksgiving.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Maybe we should transcribe it. Interesting that it has not already been transcribed by those who transcribed all the others.

I've tried to transcribe some. It takes a half hour to get 10 minutes transcribed accurately. It is no easy task and anyone who has done it gets great kudos from me. Maybe a bunch of us could take a 10 minute block?

 

[Money Girl]

BBM: I'm hoping for this one.
If an SO abducted Dylan from the house, he would not likely have taken the backpack or fishing pole. If Dylan was walking along with his backpack to try to get to his friends house, then an SO could have had possession of Dylan's backpack, but wrestling a 13 year old WITH a backpack on into a vehicle when they are conscious is not an easy task. If Dylan was knocked out, then the backpack would more likely have been thrown in after the fact. The only way I can see the backpack ending up somewhere different (not in the same woods where Dylan was found) would be: as mentioned previously, the abductor discovered the backpack after the body was disposed of and dumped it wherever the abductor was when he discovered it; there was a planned or convenient place to dispose of the backpack, either before or after; someone still has the backpack hidden.

Another option is that if Dylan knew the person, he would have jumped in the car, backpack and all.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I listened to the radio show with Mark and Elaine. Mark said... Dogs tracked Dylan out of the house and for 50 feet then lost his scent.

If we could get independent corroboration on that perhaps that would confirm Dylan made it at least to the outside of Marks house.

I say perhaps because I'd want to know if only Dylan's backpack could be the source the dogs found and tracked.

 

[Ghostwheel]

BBM

I think that there's a difference between "needing" a child to get up in the morning for something like school vs getting them up to visit friends which is what we have in this case. MOO.

It sounds like you mean on the one hand we "need" them to get up for something WE think they need to do, and on the other we don't "need" them to get up for something THEY think they need to do. I think that both are equally important and would make sure my child got up for both. Making an agreement with a friend is something I teach my children to honor, tired or not. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The information about not being an appointment previously set has long been known and thoroughly discussed from early on here. perhaps you could find it in the timeline thread?

I call it catching up on my sleep too. But I'm no longer a young teen eager to spend time with my friends that i haven't seen since Labor Day & that I'm so excited to see, it's the number one priority on my list.

I'll put the possible lawyers appointment on my need to check out list but I'm pretty sure it was imperative for Mark to get into work early Monday morning to turn in something for payroll purposes. I may be wrong though.

I think that it's possible for Dylan to have a great desire to meet up with his friends Monday morning but still be too lethargic to get up. Looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this point. MOO.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I listened to the radio show with Mark and Elaine. Mark said... Dogs tracked Dylan out of the house and for 50 feet then lost his scent.

If we could get independent corroboration on that perhaps that would confirm Dylan made it at least to the outside of Marks house.

I say perhaps because I'd want to know if only Dylan's backpack could be the source the dogs found and tracked.

Couldn't that 50 feet be where Dylan walked in from the truck?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I've tried to transcribe some. It takes a half hour to get 10 minutes transcribed accurately. It is no easy task and anyone who has done it gets great kudos from me. Maybe a bunch of us could take a 10 minute block?

I'll do ten minutes if Money Girl goes first

 

[looks like rain]

The backpack in the lake is a definite possibility. How far out do you think it would have been taken? Would it have required a boat or just some wading?

The search of MR's home was not done for 10 days, so LE probably would not have found any evidence of wet/muddy clothes to indicate someone had been in the lake, on that front. We have no idea if LE ever searched the homes of any of the RSOs - so nothing there either I wish they would give us more info on what was done in that quarter, kwim?

They did sonar on the lake in a few different spots, but I'm not sure just what they might find? Would a backpack show up as something distinct and different from other things on the lake bottom? Or would it just look like a log or something? Interesting thought.

Salem

I wish they would have searched Mark's home right away!

 

[Ghostwheel]

Another option is that if Dylan knew the person, he would have jumped in the car, backpack and all.

That still fits in with there was a planned place to dispose of the backpack or the abductor still has it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Another option is that if Dylan knew the person, he would have jumped in the car, backpack and all.

I could see that if Dylan had also texted his friend that was expecting him first.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It sounds like you mean on the one hand we "need" them to get up for something WE think they need to do, and on the other we don't "need" them to get up for something THEY think they need to do. I think that both are equally important and would make sure my child got up for both. Making an agreement with a friend is something I teach my children to honor, tired or not. JMO.

I can only speak about my own son on this one. He was only difficult to wake up if it was something he doesn't want to do. Anything and I mean anything he's been planning and looking forward to, he is up and ready.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It sounds like you mean on the one hand we "need" them to get up for something WE think they need to do, and on the other we don't "need" them to get up for something THEY think they need to do. I think that both are equally important and would make sure my child got up for both. Making an agreement with a friend is something I teach my children to honor, tired or not. JMO.

I guess that I was raised differently because what my parents said I "needed" to do took precedent over what I felt was "needed."

I have a feeling that Mark didn't want to physically force Dylan to get up and go with him because of the split family due to divorce. I'm sure that Elaine would not be happy if Mark did something like that. If think he probably regrets not doing more to get Dylan up now after looking back on that morning. MOO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Couldn't that 50 feet be where Dylan walked in from the truck?

Yes, if he did.

It was the first time I heard about it. I just wish the source wasn't Mark.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I guess that I was raised differently because what my parents said I "needed" to do took precedent over what I felt was "needed."

I have a feeling that Mark didn't want to physically force Dylan to get up and go with him because of the split family due to divorce. I'm sure that Elaine would not be happy if Mark did something like that. If think he probably regrets not doing more to get Dylan up now after looking back on that morning. MOO.

If it were me, I'd wait. the boy wasn't going to sleep forever.

 

[katydid23]

I can only speak about my own son on this one. He was only difficult to wake up if it was something he doesn't want to do. Anything and I mean anything he's been planning and looking forward to, he is up and ready.

At that age, my DS could not manage to get up for school by 7:30, but he could get up at 4 am to go snowboarding on the weekends. :wink:

ETA: funny trick we used to do to mess with our DS: His friend's family said he could go snowbaording any Sunday w/them. BUt he had to be at their house by 4:30 am. So he had to wake up my DH or I to take him there. So we used to groan and moan and hide under the covers, and do exactly what he used to do when we tried to wake him up for school. I enjoyed that immensely. LOL

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If it were me, I'd wait. the boy wasn't going to sleep forever.

I think that he needed to turn in something at work by a certain time. At least that's what I remember. I could be mistaken though. MOO.