Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[Money Girl]

I'll put the possible lawyers appointment on my need to check out list but I'm pretty sure it was imperative for Mark to get into work early Monday morning to turn in something for payroll purposes. I may be wrong though.

I think that it's possible for Dylan to have a great desire to meet up with his friends Monday morning but still be too lethargic to get up. Looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this point. MOO.

I agree with you. All the consultants I have worked with from different companies had to have their payroll and expense data turned in first thing on Monday morning. Some weeks end on Sunday and some on Saturday for payroll purposes.

I have always considered that if Dylan stayed up until 4 a.m., then had the plane rides to Durango, he was probably sleepy early (like by 10 pm and didn't want to get up as early as Mark was leaving). When Dylan was texting his friend, I'm sure he was excited and agreed to the 6:30 a.m. time, but when 6:30 rolled around, it may have been to hard to get up that early. IIRC, even at his home with his Mom, he got completely dressed for school the next morning before he went to bed at night, so he obviously was not an early morning person.

Then, I also remember that Dylan told his Mom he was dizzy and not feeling well. So, I still consider it a possibility he expired during the night, so maybe he didn't respond to Mark although Mark thought he acknowledged him the next morning. However, considering Mark's closeness with this child, I do think he would have called 911 when he got home from his errands if this had been the case.

 

[Linda7NJ]

At that age, my DS could not manage to get up for school by 7:30, but he could get up at 4 am to go snowboarding on the weekends. :wink:

ETA: funny trick we used to do to mess with our DS: His friend's family said he could go snowbaording any Sunday w/them. BUt he had to be at their house by 4:30 am. So he had to wake up my DH or I to take him there. So we used to groan and moan and hide under the covers, and do exactly what he used to do when we tried to wake him up for school. I enjoyed that immensely. LOL

Roflmao! I love it!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

At that age, my DS could not manage to get up for school by 7:30, but he could get up at 4 am to go snowboarding on the weekends. :wink:

I understand people using their own kids behavior to help guide them in understanding what Dylan would do in a given situation, but it's my personal opinion that not all kids behave the same way in a given situation. Their individuals just like you and me and they are not all alike. MOO.

 

[Ghostwheel]

If anyone wants to help, I'm going to transcribe from 34:10 to 46:00 (give or take on the following Blog talk Radio (3/17). Please fell free to sign up for 46:00 to 56:00 or 56:00 to 66:00 or 66:00 to the end of the show.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/03/18/websleuths-radio

I think there are things on this show that we cannot discuss on this thread, but I think a transcript to read will be OK, but I won't be posting this transcript until I make sure it is OK with the mods.

 

[Money Girl]

As far as the visit to his attorney, just speculating that maybe MR had to pay the child support through the courts and they would disburse it to ER. That evidently happens at times. If so, I'm sure MR wanted to make sure he got the check to his lawyer on time. Maybe the lawyer was going to either get it to the clerk of court for him or explain to MR how to go about doing that.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I agree with you. All the consultants I have worked with from different companies had to have their payroll and expense data turned in first thing on Monday morning. Some weeks end on Sunday and some on Saturday for payroll purposes.

I have always considered that if Dylan stayed up until 4 a.m., then had the plane rides to Durango, he was probably sleepy early (like by 10 pm and didn't want to get up as early as Mark was leaving). When Dylan was texting his friend, I'm sure he was excited and agreed to the 6:30 a.m. time, but when 6:30 rolled around, it may have been to hard to get up that early. IIRC, even at his home with his Mom, he got completely dressed for school the next morning before he went to bed at night, so he obviously was not an early morning person.

Then, I also remember that Dylan told his Mom he was dizzy and not feeling well. So, I still consider it a possibility he expired during the night, so maybe he didn't respond to Mark although Mark thought he acknowledged him the next morning. However, considering Mark's closeness with this child, I do think he would have called 911 when he got home from his errands if this had been the case.

Please give examples of Marks closeness to Dylan. I can't seem to find any.

Everything I read said he saw him 3 -4 times a year before he moved.
After the Labor Day visit, <modsnip>. Which I find absolutely bizarre considering Dylan had his own cell phone.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If anyone wants to help, I'm going to transcribe from 34:10 to 46:00 (give or take on the following Blog talk Radio (3/17). Please fell free to sign up for 46:00 to 56:00 or 56:00 to 66:00 or 66:00 to the end of the show.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/03/18/websleuths-radio

I think there are things on this show that we cannot discuss on this thread, but I think a transcript to read will be OK, but I won't be posting this transcript until I make sure it is OK with the mods.

I'm not going to volunteer. If I made a mistake I would never here the end of it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I understand people using their own kids behavior to help guide them in understanding what Dylan would do in a given situation, but it's my personal opinion that not all kids behave the same way in a given situation. Their individuals just like you and me and they are not all alike. MOO.

All I know is when I am planning to take mine and a few of his friends to the beach, lake... Whatever.. and want to get an early start like 7am. I never once had a problem with mine or a no show from his friends. Never once in 8 years.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I understand people using their own kids behavior to help guide them in understanding what Dylan would do in a given situation, but it's my personal opinion that not all kids behave the same way in a given situation. Their individuals just like you and me and they are not all alike. MOO.

I also tend to believe his mother. Because she, like myself knows his habits better than anyone else on the planet. She raised him.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

All I know is when I am planning to take mine and a few of his friends to the beach, lake... Whatever.. and want to get an early start like 7am. I never once had a problem with mine or a no show from his friends. Never once in 8 years.

Do you agree with my premise that kids are individuals and can act differently in a given situation?

 

[Linda7NJ]

If anyone wants to help, I'm going to transcribe from 34:10 to 46:00 (give or take on the following Blog talk Radio (3/17). Please fell free to sign up for 46:00 to 56:00 or 56:00 to 66:00 or 66:00 to the end of the show.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/03/18/websleuths-radio

I think there are things on this show that we cannot discuss on this thread, but I think a transcript to read will be OK, but I won't be posting this transcript until I make sure it is OK with the mods.

If it helps, I sent a pm to Salem last night about that particular subject. The reply I received leads me to believe we can't discuss it or post about that topic at all. I would assume that would include a transcription. I think that subject is the reason it wasn't transcribed.

 

[katydid23]

I agree with you. All the consultants I have worked with from different companies had to have their payroll and expense data turned in first thing on Monday morning. Some weeks end on Sunday and some on Saturday for payroll purposes.

I have always considered that if Dylan stayed up until 4 a.m., then had the plane rides to Durango, he was probably sleepy early (like by 10 pm and didn't want to get up as early as Mark was leaving). When Dylan was texting his friend, I'm sure he was excited and agreed to the 6:30 a.m. time, but when 6:30 rolled around, it may have been to hard to get up that early. IIRC, even at his home with his Mom, he got completely dressed for school the next morning before he went to bed at night, so he obviously was not an early morning person.

Then, I also remember that Dylan told his Mom he was dizzy and not feeling well. So, I still consider it a possibility he expired during the night, so maybe he didn't respond to Mark although Mark thought he acknowledged him the next morning. However, considering Mark's closeness with this child, I do think he would have called 911 when he got home from his errands if this had been the case.

What would a 12 yr old expire from during the night? Does dizziness after a bumpy flight cause some kind of terminal illness? I am trying not to be snarky, but it seems so unlikely that Dylan died from natural causes, and that Mark a concerned father would not take him to an ER in case of illness or unconsciousness. If he did expire during the night, how did he end up on the mountainside ?

I am amazed that one would consider a healthy 12 yr old would die from dizziness...sorry, but it seems very unlikely.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm not going to volunteer. If I made a mistake I would never here the end of it.

Nahh, I make mistakes all the time!

 

[cluciano63]

In some of Mark's early interviews, he did say that Dylan acknowledged what he said but chose to sleep instead of getting up then.

I don't find that unusual in my experience with boys that age.

Also from my personal experience, I doubt that Dylan unpacked his backpack when he got there. He would probably have taken the backpack, fully loaded, on his visit to his friends; I have not seen it stated anywhere but I would think he planned on staying with his friends until Mark picked him up to do whatever they were going to do for Thanksgiving. Believe I saw it mentioned that they might spend Thanksgiving with Mark's brother. If they did, then Dylan would probably be taking his fully loaded backpack there in case they stayed overnight the night before or the night of Thanksgiving.

I don't believe Mark when he says Dylan chose not to get up.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I also tend to believe his mother. Because she, like myself knows his habits better than anyone else on the planet. She raised him.

That's a fair statement. But she also has a dislike for Mark and is sure that he is responsible for Dylan's disappearance and death. That may affect her view on this subject. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Nahh, I make mistakes all the time!

We're all human and make mistakes, even Mark Redwine, but I get a hard enough time just asking a few questions. I'm not going to stick my neck out on this thread and wait for it to be chopped off.

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's a fair statement. But she also has a dislike for Mark and is sure that he is responsible for Dylan's disappearance and death. That may affect her view on this subject. MOO.

On that we can agree.

However, Elaine says she never feared for Dylan's safety with Mark before he went missing.
She says their divorce issues weren't custody but division of assets. And custody only became an issue due to the move. Then Mark, the great dad who saw Dylan 3-4 times a year wanted full custody and was rather upset he didn't get it. (Huge red flag to me)

She says she wasn't ever concerned he was drinking or beating him. She believed he knew more than he was saying based on her knowledge of her sons behavior and Marks story made no sense in relation to that. She thought Mark was simply hiding him away from her and knew more than he was saying. That coupled with his unwillingness to talk to her early on.

 

[La Louve]

Leaving aside any other factors (e.g. the ceasing of all communication from Dylan on Sunday night) I honestly don't know what to make of MR's account of Monday morning and his attempts to wake Dylan. It is the most plausible part of his narrative, IMO.

Just from my own experience traveling with a teenager, they can sleep like nobody's business! One morning I left her to sleep and go out exploring on my own. I told her I would be back by 3pm and we would go eat and then visit our friends (friends she was excited to see), which she acknowledged as understanding. When I got back to the hotel that afternoon , she was still asleep and only grudgingly got up. LOL

With it being a holiday week, MR's employer's payroll might have needed to be processed early so everyone would get paid on Friday. That's pretty typical.

We don't know much about that attorney appointment but I have already stated my opinion about its purpose.

What I can't work out is how the four hours MR was gone (7:30 - 11:30) could encompass those two short errands. The payroll visit wouldn't have taken more than the time for MR to sign his timecard and turn it in. 10-15 minutes is allowing a generous amount of time IMO. And considering how much attorneys charge by the hour, I doubt MR's visit to his attorney lasted more than 15-30 minutes. The custody issue had been settled, the court had made its order and determination of financial matters, what was left to do?

Adding in these times to the time to drive to Durango and back (45 min X2), it seems to me like there's an abundance of missing time in his narrative.

 

[Dee10]

That's a fair statement. But she also has a dislike for Mark and is sure that he is responsible for Dylan's disappearance and death. That may affect her view on this subject. MOO.

No, she seems to want answers and the truth all along, above anything else and has tried to seek answers to no avail. She IMO has really held back ex. she has never commented about the sex on the lawn thing & who knows what else. I don't see she is out for revenge in anyway for past deeds.

 

[Linda7NJ]

We're all human and make mistakes, even Mark Redwine, but I get a hard enough time just asking a few questions. I'm not going to stick my neck out on this thread and wait for it to be chopped off.

I'm sorry if I ever made you feel like I was jumping down your throat or chopping off anything. That sincerely wasn't my intent.