Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[azgrandma]

I agree with you. All the consultants I have worked with from different companies had to have their payroll and expense data turned in first thing on Monday morning. Some weeks end on Sunday and some on Saturday for payroll purposes.

I have always considered that if Dylan stayed up until 4 a.m., then had the plane rides to Durango, he was probably sleepy early (like by 10 pm and didn't want to get up as early as Mark was leaving). When Dylan was texting his friend, I'm sure he was excited and agreed to the 6:30 a.m. time, but when 6:30 rolled around, it may have been to hard to get up that early. IIRC, even at his home with his Mom, he got completely dressed for school the next morning before he went to bed at night, so he obviously was not an early morning person.

Then, I also remember that Dylan told his Mom he was dizzy and not feeling well. So, I still consider it a possibility he expired during the night, so maybe he didn't respond to Mark although Mark thought he acknowledged him the next morning. However, considering Mark's closeness with this child, I do think he would have called 911 when he got home from his errands if this had been the case.

He told his friend he was dizzy. It's in the text messages.

 

[Mitsana]

I posted this in the forensics thread...

Regarding the cadaver dogs... I don't know how sensitive they are. But I think the lake is a likely place for Dylan's backpack (which may also contain Dylan's hat and shoes). I wonder if the backpack (or some of the items inside it) were in contact with Dylan's body before getting tossed in the lake whether the HRD dogs might detect that.


Does anyone know the answer?

 

[Linda7NJ]

If Mark wanted to contest the child support he was ordered to pay in September, his divorce attorney would likely file the papers in October. Mark said he saw his lawyer concerning papers they filed in connection with the couple's divorce and child custody agreements would be handled by the same lawyer so I think this is the reason Mark was in touch with his lawyer.

Can you believe the gall? I mean seriously. She paid him support for years... For a child SHE was raising 94% of the time. See his child 3-4 times a year, yet managed to cash Elaine's check every month.
What self respecting man & decent father would get upset when asked (after years of getting free money from Elaine) to contribute financially to his child's upbringing?
I don't really care what the law is, that's disturbing!

 

[Linda7NJ]

I was referring to Mark and Elaine's method of communicating with each other.

Oh... Never mind... We got our lines crossed somewhere

 

[rebeccaeee]

I posted this in the forensics thread...

Regarding the cadaver dogs... I don't know how sensitive they are. But I think the lake is a likely place for Dylan's backpack (which may also contain Dylan's hat and shoes). I wonder if the backpack (or some of the items inside it) were in contact with Dylan's body before getting tossed in the lake whether the HRD dogs might detect that.


Does anyone know the answer?

We need Sarx or Oriah here to answer this question. I've been thinking about it for days as well. Also wonder if clothes that were on someone who was disposing of a body would retain enough scent for a lake hit 1 week later.

 

[cluciano63]

JMO the idea of Dylan being drugged before arriving in Durango is a little out there for me.

 

[Linda7NJ]

We do not know if LE used HRD dogs or if those HRD dogs found anything. LE will not comment on their search of MR's house.

Really? Do we know everything that was removed? I heard on the radio show, Mark claimed he released the search warrant. I'm curious if he released the inventory sheet (receipt) of the items taken. Anyone know off hand?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I posted this in the forensics thread...

Regarding the cadaver dogs... I don't know how sensitive they are. But I think the lake is a likely place for Dylan's backpack (which may also contain Dylan's hat and shoes). I wonder if the backpack (or some of the items inside it) were in contact with Dylan's body before getting tossed in the lake whether the HRD dogs might detect that.


Does anyone know the answer?

If you want an expert opinion you need to contact WS members Oriah or Sarx who are the SAR/HRD dog experts on this board.

There used to be a question thread for them but I can't find it. If I do I'll post a link.

 

[azgrandma]

Do you think it is possible that when MR tried to visit his children that ER may have told him they were not home, etc. each time he called? Do you think it is possible that he went to the home anyway, the car was there, and he called again and said he was in the driveway, and then Dylan was told his Dad was there and came out to go with him? I think those possibilities are feasible.) I also think it is possible that his calls to Dylan may have been blocked.

It may even be feasible that Mark was planning on moving to the area where Dylan moved, at Dylan's request, so that they could spend more time together.

There is also the possibility that Mark never tried to contact the kids, that the only times that he did see them were at EH's insistence. Do you think that it's possible that MR didn't try to call the boys but told everyone else that he did? Do you think it's possible that he drove to their home, not to see if the boys were there, but to see who was there? Do you think it's possible that MR told Dylan he would be at the house at one specific time, but never showed. I think those are more possible than anything else, perhaps because that is MR's history.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I've read that the process of decomposition begins immediately upon a person death, but I have not found a source of information that gives an exact time that must pass before a HRD dog can make a positive alert for the scent of human decompostion.

I'm not sure if HRD dogs where used to search Mark's home and vehicles but I hope that they where.

MOO.

Excellent question, we have a few verified dog handlers on the board somewhere. I'll send them a pm maybe one will come to the thread and answer.

 

[gitana1]

Gitana1. Omg. I think I understand what you mean by him not being able to wake him up. Was he drugged for other purposes and accidentalky died? Good god.

Well that's a good theory but that's not what I meant! IMO, what happened to Dylan was an accident that occurred when his killer lashed out fatally in anger, and then, still fuming but kind of shocked, he began trying to rouse Dylan. I think as anger turned to shock and shock to panic, he kept trying to rouse Dylan and hoping he would awaken. When nothing he did worked after over an hour, he had to clean up the scene and dispose of the body.

 

[Ransom]

I do because Mark lives in an isolated area.

Isolated in what way? It's a community, but not large but not desolate. I guess to "others" that live in buildings/spit on your neighbors (because they are so close), 3'-9' easements between houses, common walls, 50x70' tiny lots, over populated states, etc. then I guess that would be the case. MOST of CO and western states + Alaska that came into the UNION LAST gave up most of the lands to the FEDS.

I guess what I'm saying is "we" just do fear like others in hugely populated areas with RSO on every corner, etc. I live in the boonies outside of Santa Fe, NM. Great town and tourist love it, but I have no alarm or anything like that. Maybe I live in some bubble?

 

[Crosby87]

Where I live, if you want to purchase an insurance policy to cover your property including the contents of your home from any type of loss, you need to install a reliable home security system. MR had a house fire in the past so you would think he would have a home security system and a smoke detector in his residence.

MR said he called a property management company Monday morning regarding a cheque so what was he paying them for? This is worth investigating imo.

 

[Linda7NJ]

We need Sarx or Oriah here to answer this question. I've been thinking about it for days as well. Also wonder if clothes that were on someone who was disposing of a body would retain enough scent for a lake hit 1 week later.

Water searching HRD dogs
I would think that the actual process of decomposition is what the dogs hit on. Gases and such. ( not a backpack filled with his clothes)


Your question..
I would think anything in close contact and not washed would leave a strong enough scent for the dogs.

I'm just guessing!

 

[azgrandma]

They're not still fighting over assets.

IMO he was upset he would no longer get child support every month FROM Elaine for a child he only saw 3-4 times a year. Instead, he was ordered to pay HER.

They were fighting over something, child support seems to be the trigger IMO. He went to his attorney's office to sign papers for the divorce, this is according to him in the interview with MB. This is after what a month or two of a court hearing.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There is also the possibility that Mark never tried to contact the kids, that the only times that he did see them were at EH's insistence. Do you think that it's possible that MR didn't try to call the boys but told everyone else that he did? Do you think it's possible that he drove to their home, not to see if the boys were there, but to see who was there? Do you think it's possible that MR told Dylan he would be at the house at one specific time, but never showed. I think those are more possible than anything else, perhaps because that is MR's history.

He certainly was no stranger to the court system. I would think if he was denied seeing his child, there would be a long record of it. As far as I know there isn't. That makes your post all the more the likely scenario IMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Where I live, if you want to purchase an insurance policy to cover your property including the contents of your home from any type of loss, you need to install a reliable home security system. MR had a house fire in the past so you would think he would have a home security system and a smoke detector in his residence.

MR said he called a property management company Monday morning regarding a cheque so what was he paying them for? This is worth investigating imo.

Looks like your in Canada. I'm in California and there's no such requirement to have a security system to get insurance here. I'm not sure about Colorado but maybe you should check to see if that's the case there and get back to us.

I would say that Mark was paying the property management company for services rendered. MOO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

They were fighting over something, child support seems to be the trigger IMO. He went to his attorney's office to sign papers for the divorce, this is according to him in the interview with MB. This is after what a month or two of a court hearing.

But the divorce was long over.

Only issues could be custody or an appeal of the child support he was ordered to pay. IMO

Right?

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

I think that would be more necessary to have surveillance cameras in an urban area that has a high crime rate.

Looks like we see things differently.

I agree. And Mark's home does not appear to have a lot of really costly things in it. More on the practical side. As such, he may not have thought of his neighbors possibly having surveillance. Which, if he is involved, may prove quite problematic for him.

 

[Crosby87]

Can you believe the gall? I mean seriously. She paid him support for years... For a child SHE was raising 94% of the time. See his child 3-4 times a year, yet managed to cash Elaine's check every month.
What self respecting man & decent father would get upset when asked (after years of getting free money from Elaine) to contribute financially to his child's upbringing?
I don't really care what the law is, that's disturbing!

I don't think we will know the truth of what was going on at the lawyer's office unless there's a trial.
Mark's comment was vague and it's only his version of events so I take it with a grain of salt.