Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[katydid23]

This is my first time posting here so apologies if I am commenting out of turn! I have just watched the first few minutes of the Dr Phil episode and have noticed that MR was talking about Dylan in the past tense, like he knew he was dead....not sure if this has been mentioned before.

Hey Funky, like your handle.

:welcome: to WS. :fireworks:

And YES, we noticed. It kind of sticks out the way he spoke in the past tense, on a show that was supposed to be about helping get the childs name and dscription out to the public.

 

[Foxfire]

The stats indicate that, but in this particular case, LE was right on in their assessment of the father, imo/ Look at where the remains were found. It was not a stranger or slight acquaintance that left them on the mountain overlooking the father's cabin, imo.

The reason that LE INITIAlly thought 'runaway' is they listened to the father, who told them the kid's fishing pole was missing, and he told them he thought the boy might have gone fishing that morning. He was trying to throw them off, purposely, IMO.

Was Dylans' fishing pole missing? This is jmo, but we all parent differently and have different thresholds for worrying. Depending on the child, and the geographical area where we live. I also live in a rural mountain community surrounded by State & National forests. It is not unusual for one of my gchildren to go for an 8 or 10 mile hike, or grab a fly rod or fishing pole and be gone for hours or longer..

Doubtful the father would bury or dispose of Dylans' remains near his cabin. This would be an obvious red flag of suspicion..

 

[vasportsmom]

This is my first time posting here so apologies if I am commenting out of turn! I have just watched the first few minutes of the Dr Phil episode and have noticed that MR was talking about Dylan in the past tense, like he knew he was dead....not sure if this has been mentioned before.

Welcome to WS! Mark spoke of Dylan in the past tense pretty much from the beginning. I can not remember exactly what he said but he made a comment at the first vigil that knocked me off the fence so hard that I'm lucky to not still be bruised.

 

[gitana1]

There are 206 bones in the body, 5 of Dylan's have been found...... so its pretty much 98% still missing. Yes, it is a strange way of looking at it, but some people do talk like that. My husband probably would say something like that, but that's because he has a maths degree and thinks very numerically/scientifically and being in the Army, they do tend to use different terms to the rest of us, very clinical I guess. Like he always says "sixteen hundred hours" when I'd say 4.00pm, even if he's arranging to meet me. That said, I don't know MR's background and he doesn't come across that way to me!

With regards to MR, its a very detatched way of talking about his son's remains. I remember ER was talking about Dylan's bones possibly lying in the open months ago, when he was missing. Maybe when you know deep down that your child is dead, you start thinking and talking in those terms, the way ER did? As for the way MR spoke, I just don't know.

Its not looking good for him, he was the last person to see Dylan, all the circumstantial evidence points to him, even his own behaviour and statements points to him! And if the 'Find DR Facebook' page is anything to go by, he's already been tried and convicted. But I guess until he is officially named as a suspect or charged, I'll still give him the benefit of the doubt - innocent until proven guilty and all that.

I know its not a popular opinion, but 1% of me still believes that Dylan could have gone out on the Monday morning and been picked up by the wrong person. I don't know why I can't dismiss that tiny possibility (short of not wanting to believe any parent could kill their own child,that seems worse than a stranger doing it for some reason) - but maybe its because my own kids are unpredictable and I can't absolutely say they would or wouldn't do something, no matter how well I think I know them. They are teenagers, that's how they work.

I know that my kids have done the "no contact with the outside world" thing for hours, for no reason. Yes, they've not used a phone, laptop or any other communication device all day, very unusually. Some days they say they just "don't feel like" it. Also, they have inexplicably decided not to get up and go out as planned some mornings, and stayed in bed for that few extra hours as they've been comfortable in bed.... and not bothered to let their mates know. Because I've seen that happen myself, I can't totally dismiss it - no matter how far fetched it seems.

The other things that allows me to have that 1% of doubt is the fact that if something did happen to DR around 8pm on the Sunday, then why would MR only hide him 10 miles away, when he had all night to drive him somewhere he'd never be found? Yes he knew the weather would prevent searches, but the snow and ice would eventually melt. People say that he had all night to plan this and tidy up (and so far we've not heard of any forensic evidence turning up) but if that is the case, why is his actual story so rubbish and unbelievable.

As to your last paragraph, when someone is hiding a body, they usually hide it close to where the person was killed, unless they are seasoned serial killers with preferred "graveyards". That's because most people want to be rid of the body and away from the dump site a.s.a.p..

I also see that question often in these cases: "If so and so had so long to plan or is so smart or planned such an intricate crime, how did they get caught or why are there holes in their story or why is the story a crummy one?" That's easy. Criminals are never as smart as they think they are.

Anyone dumb enough to decide to murder someone or to assault someone and then try to cover up an assault instead of immediately calling 911, is not going to be that bright when it comes to creating a story. There are always things that don;t add up and that point to them.


In other news, I wanted to point something out about MR's radio interview that i quoted earlier that just kind of struck me. He said he: "made coffee, sat around, you know, tried to make as much noise as I can to kind of gently stir Dylan and wake him up...you know, Dylan isn’t responding to any of that, so, you know, I’m hollering his name, I’m, you know, whistling, doing all the things that I would normally do when I’m trying to get him awake.

His use of the word "normally" in this context kind of indicates to me that Dylan not being awake on that particular occasion and MR not being able to awaken him, was not like a normal situation when he was trying to awaken a tired boy. It's like he differentiated that instance from others with his language choice. What do you all think? I am reading too much into it?

 

[Ghostwheel]

There are 206 bones in the body, 5 of Dylan's have been found...... so its pretty much 98% still missing. Yes, it is a strange way of looking at it, but some people do talk like that. My husband probably would say something like that, but that's because he has a maths degree and thinks very numerically/scientifically and being in the Army, they do tend to use different terms to the rest of us, very clinical I guess. Like he always says "sixteen hundred hours" when I'd say 4.00pm, even if he's arranging to meet me. That said, I don't know MR's background and he doesn't come across that way to me!

With regards to MR, its a very detatched way of talking about his son's remains. I remember ER was talking about Dylan's bones possibly lying in the open months ago, when he was missing. Maybe when you know deep down that your child is dead, you start thinking and talking in those terms, the way ER did? As for the way MR spoke, I just don't know.

Its not looking good for him, he was the last person to see Dylan, all the circumstantial evidence points to him, even his own behaviour and statements points to him! And if the 'Find DR Facebook' page is anything to go by, he's already been tried and convicted. But I guess until he is officially named as a suspect or charged, I'll still give him the benefit of the doubt - innocent until proven guilty and all that.

I know its not a popular opinion, but 1% of me still believes that Dylan could have gone out on the Monday morning and been picked up by the wrong person. I don't know why I can't dismiss that tiny possibility (short of not wanting to believe any parent could kill their own child,that seems worse than a stranger doing it for some reason) - but maybe its because my own kids are unpredictable and I can't absolutely say they would or wouldn't do something, no matter how well I think I know them. They are teenagers, that's how they work.

I know that my kids have done the "no contact with the outside world" thing for hours, for no reason. Yes, they've not used a phone, laptop or any other communication device all day, very unusually. Some days they say they just "don't feel like" it. Also, they have inexplicably decided not to get up and go out as planned some mornings, and stayed in bed for that few extra hours as they've been comfortable in bed.... and not bothered to let their mates know. Because I've seen that happen myself, I can't totally dismiss it - no matter how far fetched it seems.

The other things that allows me to have that 1% of doubt is the fact that if something did happen to DR around 8pm on the Sunday, then why would MR only hide him 10 miles away, when he had all night to drive him somewhere he'd never be found? Yes he knew the weather would prevent searches, but the snow and ice would eventually melt. People say that he had all night to plan this and tidy up (and so far we've not heard of any forensic evidence turning up) but if that is the case, why is his actual story so rubbish and unbelievable.

BBM: And you know what? You have every reason to believe that there is that remote possibility that Dylan could have been picked up by the wrong person. The absolute FACTS that we know indicate that is a possibility and that his father is just a different kind of odd for the norm.

I will speak to the leaving Dylan where he was left. It is not my belief that it was pre-meditated. If Mark left him there, it was so he could "see" Dylan. Anyone who knew the area would know animals would most likely spread out most of the evidence and it would not be found. Therefore, Dylan would always be with him. MOO

 

[Dr. Know?]

Blah blah blah. Listening again to another MR radio show. He's all talk & no action. And...he's never wrong, everyone else is.

 

[Tonto]

ALL AVAILABLE OPTIONS IN THE WHY/WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE AND/OR INVOLVED WITH THIS CHILD'S ABDUCTION..MARK REDWINE WAS NOT ZEROED IN ON FROM THE START.

False.

Atleast not here at Websleuths he was NOT..

False.

..thousands of pages of documented, black and white proof exists right here on WS in Dylan's forum that myself along with many other members approached this case with NO PERCEIVED HYPOTHESIS and from there force fit the pieces of this case to suit these "perceived hypothesis"..

False.

<<-- this could not be more way off base from what is actually the factual truth of how this case has been approached, discussed, sleuthed, etc by the many members who've actively participated in looking at this from all angles and possibilities..most pointedly is the fact that we did not initially zero in or zoom focus on this wonderful young man's "dad", Mark Redwine.. ..

Way to quote "dad" like that. Good stuff.

IMO in having those hundreds upon thousands of posts upon posts where these thorough alternative to Mark Redwine possibilities were discussed long past ad nauseum and clearly stand as proof positive of the fair shake Mark Redwine was given

False.

This truth IMO needs to be clarified immediately in replacing the false, mistaken, and untrue notions of there being perceived hypothesis, tunnel vision type approach from the onset, or any other falsehood related to the notion of Mark Redwine receiving anything other than a fair shake in the approach that was taken by those of us who have actively participated in the discussions of this MISSING YOUNG PERSON'S case..

False.

Of course the responsibility lies with the parent to whom the minor child's entire well being and care is reliant upon at the time they "vanish".. IMO no one but the parent is responsible for providing this level of care especially in a case where there are specific, detailed court orders for whose physical custody/care the minor child is to be in at the time of the child's "vanishing"

<Mod Snip>

but this isn't a game and the only one that bears responsibility and blame for the blatant, intentional misleading details given by a parent to investigators, IS THE PARENT(S).. The responsibility lies solely with the parent(s) in their mal intent and the very real repercussions those intents and actions bring about as a result.

See above.


IMO, JMO, and all that.

 

[Ghostwheel]

False.



False.




False.



Way to quote "dad" like that. Good stuff.



False.



False.




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See above.

I have to call out False on your False's. At least for myself. But you're welcome to believe what you want.

 

[SCHMAE]

Tonight is the prayer vigil. The posts on FMDR are just really driving it home.
Little man is not coming back but thank God he is found.

 

[katydid23]

Tonto,

With all due respect, as you and I have agreed in other threads/cases here, do you not think the location of these remains are a bit suspicious considering they are so close to Mark's home?

I think the location wipes out any random/stranger abduction and limits it to those very local.

 

[ColdHands]

There are 206 bones in the body, 5 of Dylan's have been found...... so its pretty much 98% still missing. Yes, it is a strange way of looking at it, but some people do talk like that. My husband probably would say something like that, but that's because he has a maths degree and thinks very numerically/scientifically and being in the Army, they do tend to use different terms to the rest of us, very clinical I guess. Like he always says "sixteen hundred hours" when I'd say 4.00pm, even if he's arranging to meet me. That said, I don't know MR's background and he doesn't come across that way to me!

With regards to MR, its a very detatched way of talking about his son's remains. I remember ER was talking about Dylan's bones possibly lying in the open months ago, when he was missing. Maybe when you know deep down that your child is dead, you start thinking and talking in those terms, the way ER did? As for the way MR spoke, I just don't know.

Its not looking good for him, he was the last person to see Dylan, all the circumstantial evidence points to him, even his own behaviour and statements points to him! And if the 'Find DR Facebook' page is anything to go by, he's already been tried and convicted. But I guess until he is officially named as a suspect or charged, I'll still give him the benefit of the doubt - innocent until proven guilty and all that.

I know its not a popular opinion, but 1% of me still believes that Dylan could have gone out on the Monday morning and been picked up by the wrong person. I don't know why I can't dismiss that tiny possibility (short of not wanting to believe any parent could kill their own child,that seems worse than a stranger doing it for some reason) - but maybe its because my own kids are unpredictable and I can't absolutely say they would or wouldn't do something, no matter how well I think I know them. They are teenagers, that's how they work.

I know that my kids have done the "no contact with the outside world" thing for hours, for no reason. Yes, they've not used a phone, laptop or any other communication device all day, very unusually. Some days they say they just "don't feel like" it. Also, they have inexplicably decided not to get up and go out as planned some mornings, and stayed in bed for that few extra hours as they've been comfortable in bed.... and not bothered to let their mates know. Because I've seen that happen myself, I can't totally dismiss it - no matter how far fetched it seems.

The other things that allows me to have that 1% of doubt is the fact that if something did happen to DR around 8pm on the Sunday, then why would MR only hide him 10 miles away, when he had all night to drive him somewhere he'd never be found? Yes he knew the weather would prevent searches, but the snow and ice would eventually melt. People say that he had all night to plan this and tidy up (and so far we've not heard of any forensic evidence turning up) but if that is the case, why is his actual story so rubbish and unbelievable.

Thank you for this great post. You've put into words my thoughts as well, although I'm at 50/50 MR vs being picked up by an unknown person.

Anyway, I'm waiting for more facts to come out.

 

[SCHMAE]

Tonto,

With all due respect, as you and I have agreed in other threads/cases here, do you not think the location of these remains are a bit suspicious considering they are so close to Mark's home?

I think the location wipes out any random/stranger abduction and limits it to those very local.

I know that wasn't to me but I cannot rule out a random SO even at this point. I think its very unlikely now. I thought it was pretty unlikely before and very unlikely now but there is still the chance that it could be. I base this on just how sneaky and sly and undetected the SO's can be. MR is a gold mine of guilty looks/speeches/actions. But I can remember cases that seemed 100% a parent and it ended up being a wandering nut no one even knew was in the area. I'm going with MR more than 90% , probably close to 95% at this point. :twocents:

ETA I want to add what I've been thinking a lot about the last day. If MR did this, then he is the most sickening and EVIL creature on earth, not so much because he ended the life of his child ( which is horrifying in its own right ) but because of the absolute pleasure he seems to have taken since, the beady eyed glares at his ex's and his own SONS. I could pass those off as anger for being wrongly accused and at that point it's somewhat understandable. But if he is guilty of this crime and carried on that way, went on national TV to GLOAT to ER what he'd done and especially after RN's(dylans' friend) 's interview earlier where he said " dylan and his dad acted like best friends" ...... all these things swirling in my mind..... I do think he's probably , almost certainly guilty and if so, what a piece of work he is. If hes' that hideous and without a conscious , it's a wonder any one married to him 20 yrs ago or 5 yrs ago made it out alive !
Moooooooooo x 10

 

[tlcya]

Tonto,

With all due respect, as you and I have agreed in other threads/cases here, do you not think the location of these remains are a bit suspicious considering they are so close to Mark's home?

I think the location wipes out any random/stranger abduction and limits it to those very local.

I agree that whoever is responsible has local knowledge. That does not preclude stranger to Dylan local to the area IMO. IMO MR could be responsible but he is not exclusively the only person who could have been.

still riding fences waiting for more info and developments from LE before I land on solid ground.

 

[ColdHands]

Tonto,

With all due respect, as you and I have agreed in other threads/cases here, do you not think the location of these remains are a bit suspicious considering they are so close to Mark's home?

I think the location wipes out any random/stranger abduction and limits it to those very local.

I think that the facts we have could fit very well with a local person who Dylan knew at least by sight and who knew the area very well.

I have no problem thinking a visitor to the area could see a road going up a mountainside and find their way up there in full daylight just as well as a local. Especially since the road shows on Rand McNally maps as well as all these maps the RV parks and cabin places have on their websites. It's not like the mountain is hidden. And regardless of how the site matches up to MRs house, a good place to hide is a good place to hide. Again, in full daylight, no reason why a person couldn't find that ravine without prior knowledge and think, here's a good place where he will not be found.

And, unlike MR, a perp would need to find a secluded location where he could do whatever he wanted to do. It's possible that someone would head up that mountain specifically to find seclusion. There are lots of ATV trails that branch off that road, from what I can tell.

 

[cluciano63]

I am like a broken record, I know. But I can't seem to be convinced that Dylan would not have texted that morning, if able. So unless he was kidnapped from his bed, while still asleep, with all of his stuff...I tend to think that he was not alive come Monday morning.

 

[Tonto]

Tonto,

With all due respect, as you and I have agreed in other threads/cases here, do you not think the location of these remains are a bit suspicious considering they are so close to Mark's home?

I think the location wipes out any random/stranger abduction and limits it to those very local.

I have never said that I was 100% in Mark's camp. I've always been a fence sitter in this case. Literally 60/40 though sometimes I go down to 50/50. The Dr. Phil show didn't sit well with me at first, for example, and I made that clear on here until I took a step back and reconsidered the context. I've always been the contrarian on this case<Mod Snip>
Now, as for your question: no. I don't think it's unusual as I've always thought Dylan was probably deceased (God rest his soul) and somewhere within the Vallecito area. Vallecito is not very big and being able to see Mark's house from way up on a mountain is not unusual. I've lived in the mountains in Virginia at one time and you could see tons of houses in the valley. Is it creepy that it played out like this? Sure. But I think that it's probably an unfortunate coincidence - even if Mark did it.

I think that random events could have happened in this case. I really, really do. I am as concerned about the sheriff's deputy being investigated within the height of Dylan's investigation and being found with child . I think he may have been under scrutiny for Dylan's case and they subsequently found . I don't know, but it's plausible and too small of a town with too small of a police force to be coincidental. I'm not saying he hasn't subsequently been cleared - I don't know - but it's disturbing.

Here's my main issue - LE are certain that this is a homicide. They have been certain that it was a crime for a long time now. If they found evidence at Mark's house - and not elsewhere - in the days following that gave them such an assurance that this is a crime, then the moment they found Dylan he would have been popped. No doubt about it in my mind - they would have arrested him at the station.

However, if that evidence is not tied to a specific individual, then they would still give us assurances that they know it was a crime, but they likely would not have identified a specific person (or, they wouldn't have a big enough case to arrest as yet). Sure, this may be Mark and they're waiting on more evidence, but I doubt it with their assurances that the evidence they found at the beginning to identify this as a crime was compelling.

Now, this doesn't mean that I am entirely convinced that Mark is innocent. Again, I'm at about 60/40 right now due to statistics and circumstances alone. But - there are other scenarios that have been discounted, but are as compelling, and deserve to be given equal time and consideration.

 

[tlcya]

I am like a broken record, I know. But I can't seem to be convinced that Dylan would not have texted that morning, if able. So unless he was kidnapped from his bed, while still asleep, with all of his stuff...I tend to think that he was not alive come Monday morning.

I must agree, this fact right here troubles me greatly if Dylan was as big a texter as people report.

 

[ColdHands]

I am like a broken record, I know. But I can't seem to be convinced that Dylan would not have texted that morning, if able. So unless he was kidnapped from his bed, while still asleep, with all of his stuff...I tend to think that he was not alive come Monday morning.

I hear you and I completely understand. 1) I have my own teen boys and I base my reaction off their behavior, so I may be far off, but...

2) there's a huge gaping hole in the texting data. We don't know who else Dylan may have been communicating with, only R has come forward. We don't know to whom his last text was sent or what it said. We don't know if Dylan was communicating via other means that evening, such as Facebook. All MOO.

So I look at the texting issue and I don't know what it means. Others look at it and say, it means he physically could not have texted, period. I'm not as certain.

 

[cluciano63]

I hear you and I completely understand. 1) I have my own teen boys and I base my reaction off their behavior, so I may be far off, but...

2) there's a huge gaping hole in the texting data. We don't know who else Dylan may have been communicating with, only R has come forward. We don't know to whom his last text was sent or what it said. We don't know if Dylan was communicating via other means that evening, such as Facebook. All MOO.

So I look at the texting issue and I don't know what it means. Others look at it and say, it means he physically could not have texted, period. I'm not as certain.

I feel pretty certain no one heard from Dylan after Sunday, regardless of time.

 

[cluciano63]

I must agree, this fact right here troubles me greatly if Dylan was as big a texter as people report.

He would not even have to have been an avid texter, but R was texting him by 6:40am asking where he was. IMO, Dylan would have replied upon waking, if he could.