Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[Steely Dan]

If he did do it, there is certainly something wrong with him as well.
But yes, if innocent, his behavior has been incomprehensible, IMO. He has been so oddly detached much of the time, discussing Dylan, if at all, in a very remote kind of way. I have only seen any "spark" from him when getting in digs at Elaine.

People deal with things very differently. If there had been any question about how anyone who's deceased in my family died I'd look very suspicious. I don't cry, I get a little depressed but I know it's the facts of life.

When my 41 year old friend died of a heart attack I probably showed more emotion. I think that's because it was unexpected. I don't have kids, and I'd probably react much differently if it was my kid, but I can't judge someone based solely on their behavior unless it's outrageous. The Ramsey's come to mind, as well as baby Elaina's mother. While Dylan's dad reacted oddly, there could be a reason behind it we don't know about. JMO

 

[Ray_of_hope]

If this bothers people I really don't care. I have a sense that the father may be telling the truth here. There isn't any solid evidence to the contrary. AFAIK, his story has been the same all along. I think people should back off on the dad until he's formally charged.

Look at Jacy Dugard. Everybody believed it was the stepfather who took her, and then it turned out that it wasn't him. It could have been a family friend or something else. If I'm wrong I'll admit it when the time comes, but I'm not gonna jump to conclusions here. JMO

Good point SD. I am just learning the facts of the case, but your point about Jacy Dugard's stepfather is so true. I was shocked with the resolution of the case. For years I blamed the stepfather...

 

[Eileen730]

Why didn't Mark speak about Dylan at this vigil instead of doing what he does best talk about himself!


“We came here to celebrate Dylan and the wonderful and beautiful boy that he was,” family friend Denise Hess said.


Before the vigil, Mark Redwine said he met with law enforcement Saturday and went with them up to Middle Mountain to the area where they found some of Dylan’s remains.


“It was horrific. It was unimaginable,” Redwine said. “No parent should go up there” in a situation like this, he said.


Yet, it also shows how a community can come together, said Bayfield resident Diane Estes


Where are all the happy times and tender moments he shared with his son.
The I miss my son or how much you loved him!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO he has to talk about him and how horrific it was. Imagine how horrific it was for Dylan!

Sorry for the rant! But this man needs to get over himself.
He knew they were going to find Dylan and that's why he left Dodge!

Why do you leave town when there is a very major LE search for your son? YOU DONT!

 

[song22]

If this bothers people I really don't care. I have a sense that the father may be telling the truth here. There isn't any solid evidence to the contrary. AFAIK, his story has been the same all along. I think people should back off on the dad until he's formally charged.
Look at Jacy Dugard. Everybody believed it was the stepfather who took her, and then it turned out that it wasn't him. It could have been a family friend or something else. If I'm wrong I'll admit it when the time comes, but I'm not gonna jump to conclusions here. JMO

It doesn't bother me in the slightest if people have a different theory or feel like there isn't evidence enough for MR. I believe it is entirely possible that some bizarre set of circumstances occurred and a local SO did it. For me, it takes too many assumptions (cell phone went dead, Laptop didn't work, DR changed his mind about seeing his friend, DR took all his stuff and a fishing pole and started to walk for miles, etc)

So I suspect MR. I for one have NOT formed my opinion by groupthink, as I formed my opinion independently before even coming to this thread or hearing anyone else's opinion. I think that is exactly how the vast majority of us who do suspect MR came to that opinion. It's our opinion and we don't need to lay off. JMO.

 

[jjenny]

Good point SD. I am just learning the facts of the case, but your point about Jacy Dugard's stepfather is so true. I was shocked with the resolution of the case. For years I blamed the stepfather...

Her classmates saw the abduction, so given that it was rather obvious stepfather wasn't the one responsible. Although it's very clear she didn't like the stepfather and they didn't get along.
But her stepfather took and passed polygraph tests. I don't think we can say the same about MR, can we?

 

[Steely Dan]

I don't know who that everybody is. There were other witnesses to Jacy's abduction in addition to step father, as I recall.

Somebody mentioned on the board when Jacy was found that the police were certain he did it, but couldn't get enough evidence to charge him. The witness, IIRC, only saw the stepfather shout and grab his bike. I don't believe the witness actually saw the abduction.

I know this will be a unpopular post, but I do not think MR had anything to do with Dylan's demise. I may eat crow later but I am not seeing it.

I am sorry for all the pain this family has been suffering , I am glad Dylan has been found so they are not left wondering for years where he is, that imo would be far worse.

I am concerned alot for Dylan's older brother as he seems h*ll bent on his father having everything to do with what has happened, no doubt from some influence of his mother, and I say that with no disrespect.

I hope that all parties will be able to put speculation aside to be able to give Dylan a proper burial that he deserves at this point. MR has not been named a suspect and I hope with further investigation MR will be cleared of anything to do with Dylan's disappearence and death if for anything the mental, emotional well being of Dylan's older brother.

Respectively and all in mhoo.......

Mystic

:goodpost:

 

[gitana1]

If this bothers people I really don't care. I have a sense that the father may be telling the truth here. There isn't any solid evidence to the contrary. AFAIK, his story has been the same all along. I think people should back off on the dad until he's formally charged.

Look at Jacy Dugard. Everybody believed it was the stepfather who took her, and then it turned out that it wasn't him. It could have been a family friend or something else. If I'm wrong I'll admit it when the time comes, but I'm not gonna jump to conclusions here. JMO

Hey beautiful Steely! No one here could get upset by anything you say. Everyone knows you are a rational, intelligent person.

Let me disagree with something though: DAd's story has not stayed the same. He has changed the story when it comes to what he did that day.

If you haven't seen the YouTube videos of the Dr. Phil show featuring the parents and others, please do. (I'm not a Dr Phil fan but there's a lot of telling stuff that occurred on that show). Also, please read the transcripts of his radio interview on Tricia's show. Links to both are on the media thread and the radio thread.

Then let me know if that changes your feeling at all. Also, up thread a bit I gave 17 reasons why I think this case may point to dad. I think there is a TON that differs between this case and Jaycees when it comes to dad as a suspect. Same with many cases where dad is the suspect.

Most share opportunity. Some share the potential of a solid motive.
I think this one has a lot more.

 

[Steely Dan]

Her classmates saw the abduction, so given that it was rather obvious stepfather wasn't the one responsible. Although it's very clear she didn't like the stepfather and they didn't get along.
But her stepfather took and passed polygraph tests. I don't think we can say the same about MR, can we?

BBM

I don't recall that.

 

[Steely Dan]

Hey beautiful Steely! No one here could get upset by anything you say. Everyone knows you are a rational, intelligent person.

Let me disagree with something though: DAd's story has not stayed the same. He has changed the story when it comes to what he did that day.

If you haven't seen the YouTube videos of the Dr. Phil show featuring the parents and others, please do. (I'm not a Dr Phil fan but there's a lot of telling stuff that occurred on that show). Also, please read the transcripts of his radio interview on Tricia's show. Links to both are on the media thread and the radio thread.

Then let me know if that changes your feeling at all. Also, up thread a bit I gave 17 reasons why I think this case may point to dad. I think there is a TON that differs between this case and Jaycees when it comes to dad as a suspect. Same with many cases where dad is the suspect.

Most share opportunity. Some share the potential of a solid motive.
I think this one has a lot more.

I'll look for the doctor Phil episode, but I heard him live on Tricia's show.

 

[Tulessa]

Finding stones for Dylan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iyZAIUZz20


ETA. They also found potential physical evidence.

 

[Eileen730]

I know this will be a unpopular post, but I do not think MR had anything to do with Dylan's demise. I may eat crow later but I am not seeing it.

I am sorry for all the pain this family has been suffering , I am glad Dylan has been found so they are not left wondering for years where he is, that imo would be far worse.

I am concerned alot for Dylan's older brother as he seems h*ll bent on his father having everything to do with what has happened, no doubt from some influence of his mother, and I say that with no disrespect.

I hope that all parties will be able to put speculation aside to be able to give Dylan a proper burial that he deserves at this point. MR has not been named a suspect and I hope with further investigation MR will be cleared of anything to do with Dylan's disappearence and death if for anything the mental, emotional well being of Dylan's older brother.

Respectively and all in mhoo.......

Mystic

I think cory came to this deduction from living with the man not by what his mother has said about him. I think Cory has behaved more like a man then Mark has! Personally I don't fear for Corys mental health! Elaine nor Cory cant be hurt anymore by this man. No more getting taken to court, child support, visitation,,, AFAISI there is really no reason for him to talk to them ever again.

 

[*Lash*]

Why didn't Mark speak about Dylan at this vigil instead of doing what he does best talk about himself!


“We came here to celebrate Dylan and the wonderful and beautiful boy that he was,” family friend Denise Hess said.


Before the vigil, Mark Redwine said he met with law enforcement Saturday and went with them up to Middle Mountain to the area where they found some of Dylan’s remains.


“It was horrific. It was unimaginable,” Redwine said. “No parent should go up there” in a situation like this, he said.


Yet, it also shows how a community can come together, said Bayfield resident Diane Estes


Where are all the happy times and tender moments he shared with his son.
The I miss my son or how much you loved him!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO he has to talk about him and how horrific it was. Imagine how horrific it was for Dylan!

Sorry for the rant! But this man needs to get over himself.
He knew they were going to find Dylan and that's why he left Dodge!

Why do you leave town when there is a very major LE search for your son? YOU DONT!

I'm sure this video has been snipped. However I noticed when Mark was speaking at the vigil it was not about Dylan. Again it is about himself and his relationship with Cory and Elaine.

Mark Redwine speaking at vigil -

"I reached out to Cory earlier. And to Elaine My heart goes out to you. I don't know what to say to you but I'm feeling the same pain that you and Cory are.

http://www.9news.com/video/2517730229001/1/Candlelight-memorial-held-for-Dylan-Redwine-

 

[gitana1]

I know this will be a unpopular post, but I do not think MR had anything to do with Dylan's demise. I may eat crow later but I am not seeing it.

I am sorry for all the pain this family has been suffering , I am glad Dylan has been found so they are not left wondering for years where he is, that imo would be far worse.

I am concerned alot for Dylan's older brother as he seems h*ll bent on his father having everything to do with what has happened, no doubt from some influence of his mother, and I say that with no disrespect.

I hope that all parties will be able to put speculation aside to be able to give Dylan a proper burial that he deserves at this point. MR has not been named a suspect and I hope with further investigation MR will be cleared of anything to do with Dylan's disappearence and death if for anything the mental, emotional well being of Dylan's older brother.

Respectively and all in mhoo.......

Mystic

Hey friend! You know, I think there's a lot suggesting LE believes MR is their suspect. If you read between the lines it appears they are informing the mom of many of the steps they are taking all along the way to resolve the case and of their theories.

But then again, mom is in constant, voluntary contact with LE. Dad had to pledge after intense mediation with mom, that he would stay involved and interested in the investigation into the disappearance of his own son by calling LE at least once per week to stay in the loop.

What parent of a missing child has to be encouraged to care?

 

[Ray_of_hope]

People deal with things very differently. If there had been any question about how anyone who's deceased in my family died I'd look very suspicious. I don't cry, I get a little depressed but I know it's the facts of life.

When my 41 year old friend died of a heart attack I probably showed more emotion. I think that's because it was unexpected. I don't have kids, and I'd probably react much differently if it was my kid, but I can't judge someone based solely on their behavior unless it's outrageous. The Ramsey's come to mind, as well as baby Elaina's mother. While Dylan's dad reacted oddly, there could be a reason behind it we don't know about. JMO

OK, I'll bite on this point too. In "The Stranger" by Albert Camus, a man's fate is based on an earlier grief reaction, or lack there of, at his mother's death and subsequent funeral. "During his summation the following day, the prosecutor calls Meursault a monster and says that his lack of moral feeling threatens all of society. Meursault is found guilty and is sentenced to death by beheading."
Clearly, society expects a particular cultural reaction to grief and when we don't view what we expect, we do feel threatened and bewildered. I try and keep this in mind when I am ruminating about cases, but it's a very hard thing to do because a lack of emotion is also a sign of sociopathy. Thanks.

 

[SCHMAE]

OK, I'll bite on this point too. In "The Stranger" by Albert Camus, a man's fate is based on an earlier grief reaction, or lack there of, at his mother's death and subsequent funeral. "During his summation the following day, the prosecutor calls Meursault a monster and says that his lack of moral feeling threatens all of society. Meursault is found guilty and is sentenced to death by beheading."
Clearly, society expects a particular cultural reaction to grief and when we don't view what we expect, we do feel threatened and bewildered. I try and keep this in mind when I am ruminating about cases, but it's a very hard thing to do because a lack of emotion is also a sign of sociopathy. Thanks.

WOW, that's pretty stern talk for not crying enough at a funeral ! I'd be in big trouble if they followed me around funerals. I carry a stiff upper lip and its' difficult but it is a choice I make. That said I've never had to lose a child so I don't know what would happen. Also men often are less emotional...it goes on and on. He's a weirdo for sure, but that may be all he is .

To be fair, I'm not on the fence . I'm pretty darn sure MR is responsible of something here, but I'm not ready to string him up for it. If LE arrests him, I will probably be done thinking about the wandering SO's and deputy's contacts and some creepy ice cream truck driver from the area. If LE arrested MR early on , I would wonder if they overlooked something. But they've been super quiet and obviously working their butts off to find this baby and now that they have what they need, if they arrest MR, I won't have much doubt left.

ETA any depiction of a creepy ice cream truck drive in the vallecito area is fictional !

 

[jjenny]

No, they did not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...I-watched-helplessly-taken-suspect-along.html

Jaycee Lee Dugard's stepfather: 'The moment I saw her being kidnapped... and how I became a suspect'
By Nicola Boden
UPDATED: 01:54 EST, 1 September 2009

For almost two decades, Carl Probyn has lived with the double trauma of fearing his stepdaughter had been murdered and of being a suspect in her disappearance.

As the last person to 11-year-old Jaycee Lee Dugard alive and as her stepfather, he inevitably came under suspicion when she vanished without trace.

It is only with her stunning reappearance - alive and well - in California this week, aged 29, that the dark cloud of doubt over his name has finally lifted....

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lessly-taken-suspect-along.html#ixzz2XiSQFFTN
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Stepfather was not a suspect, at least officially. Although I imagine he felt like one.

"A few of Jaycee's classmates saw the incident too. Their statements eventually helped investigators confirm that Carl Probyn was not a suspect in the case. But the ordeal shattered the Probyns' marriage nonetheless."
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/jaycee_dugard/4.html

 

[Ray_of_hope]

WOW, that's pretty stern talk for not crying enough at a funeral ! I'd be in big trouble if they followed me around funerals. I carry a stiff upper lip and its' difficult but it is a choice I make. That said I've never had to lose a child so I don't know what would happen. Also men often are less emotional...it goes on and on. He's a weirdo for sure, but that may be all he is .

I guess I should have added more details. Mersault (?sp) smoked a cigarette, drank coffee, then fell asleep. He wanted silence and privacy and was annoyed that the caretaker sat and chatted with him all night. The whole point that we learned back in college was that society expects certain behaviors and that it is wrong to hold people to our expectations, and also to then judge subsequent acts based on our learned bias. I was an impressionable kid and it was the first time that I was introduced to an existentialist philosophy. I always remember "The Stranger" when I read about cases so I don't fall into that trap, but it's hard within a cultural context.

 

[pinto]

That is probably the point Cory was trying to make. While Cory probably has no recent knowledge of where the pole was stored, the whole fishing pole + backpack + shorts + November - tackle - coat thing never added up for me.

I truly don't understand why the backpack is missing. Assuming MR is not the culprit, why would Dylan take *all* his stuff. If MR is the culprit, why wouldn't he just bring the pack inside? I'd love to hear from anyone with a great explanation for this.

If, indeed, Dylan was irritated at being stuck at his dad's and plotting to go visit a friend and not return, he would take everything. This would fall under the "picked-up-by-bad-guy-while-hitchhiking" scenario.

 

[*Lash*]

I know this will be a unpopular post, but I do not think MR had anything to do with Dylan's demise. I may eat crow later but I am not seeing it.

I am sorry for all the pain this family has been suffering , I am glad Dylan has been found so they are not left wondering for years where he is, that imo would be far worse.

I am concerned alot for Dylan's older brother as he seems h*ll bent on his father having everything to do with what has happened, no doubt from some influence of his mother, and I say that with no disrespect.

I hope that all parties will be able to put speculation aside to be able to give Dylan a proper burial that he deserves at this point. MR has not been named a suspect and I hope with further investigation MR will be cleared of anything to do with Dylan's disappearence and death if for anything the mental, emotional well being of Dylan's older brother.

Respectively and all in mhoo.......

Mystic

In the past few days Cory has been very respectful and mature in his interviews. Sharing memories of his brother. Which is what he did at the vigil, he remembered the good about Dylan and paid tribute to his brother. Cory has talked about how it is now time to find justice for Dylan. Sure he sent a text message to his dad but nothing in that message was salacious or unexpected.

Compare Cory's interviews to Mark, a grown man giving interviews discussing in detail the remains that were found on the mountain. Even after LE specifically asked the parents to not discuss what was found. Then letting the world know that Elaine drove by his home and called him a name. At the vigil he told a reporter that he wanted to find all of Dylan's remains and shared how he visited the mountain with LE this weekend. Where are the kind words about Dylan or finding justice?

 

[jjenny]

If, indeed, Dylan was irritated at being stuck at his dad's and plotting to go visit a friend and not return, he would take everything. This would fall under the "picked-up-by-bad-guy-while-hitchhiking" scenario.

Doesn't add up since he didn't contact anyone after 9:37 pm. His friend texted him in the morning, why didn't he respond? Also, why would someone who picked him up going to friends take him up that mountain? If someone was driving, and picked him up, the body would have likely ended up much further way, IMO.