Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[caffeinejean]

And without a coat. In shorts. Through the brush and trees. Up a steep hill. Without calling his friends after missing the morning meet first. I guess I should no longer be amazed at what some people think would be normal. Life is interesting.

Jumping off your quote...where are his shoes??? I'm pretty sure if he walked up there, he'd have his shoes on. IMHO it makes more sense he was killed somewhere else and his body was thrown down the steep hill with the hopes of him never being found.

After re-watching Dr. Phil and the recent comments by MR, there is no doubt in my mind who is responsible for this horrific crime. :stormingmad:

RIP Dylan.

I'm just jumping off your posts. But it is curious that Bender did not want to give any info on specific items that were found other than the mention of bones used to ID Dylan. But, MR talks about bones, a sock , a piece of a shirt and Shoe strings. NO SHOES. Did bears pull the shoe strings out of the shoes? What were those shoe strings used for?

 

[Migmuu]

By the way. The fact that LE is saying Mark Redwine isn't a suspect doesn't necessarily mean they're telling the truth. LE will often tell the public that a person isn't a suspect when they actually are, because a lot of people shut up and stop cooperating the second they realize the cops are looking at them.

I doubt the police would clear him two days after Dylan's remains were found because 1) the parents are always the first to be looked at, 2) they're probably still looking for evidence at the scene, and 3) Redwine hasn't done a good job at NOT incriminating himself.

Of course, I'm not saying he did it. I think he's the best suspect right now, but I don't know enough to say for sure that he's guilty. I'm just saying that LE could be lying about Redwine not being a suspect in order to keep him close/cooperating, to collect evidence, and maybe to see if he digs himself into a hole.

 

[diveguy]

I would very very interested to hear from the Canine HRD experts regarding the scent picked up in Lake Vallecito. Could that scent have traveled down into the lake with rain/snowmelt runoff, or was there another source of the scent. I remember hearing that the dogs had "strong hits" at the lake early in the year.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Forgive me, I'm still learning the abbreviations here: what is BBM?

Bolded By Me

 

[Prado]

Would a random abductor know that area well enough to feel comfortable navigating it with a dead child's body in his vehicle?

Would a murderer, trying to dump a dead body, want to drive up into an area with only one way out and one way in, knowing there are much easier places to get out of the immediate area? It doesnt make sense to me that a random stranger abduction would end up in that location.

IMO a random murderer who wasn't from the area and maybe had stumbled upon Dylan opportunistically wouldn't have been able to go up to where Dylan was found at least in a reasonable time frame where they wouldn't be seen.

Just a thought, could be someone who grew up in the area but moved away? I mean they would know the area well enough to find a route. Could be a RSO who lives away now?

 

[katydid23]

Maybe, maybe not. He/she could be local, too, you know.

Nothing makes much sense right now.

True. They could be local too. But Vallecito is a very small town. I bet every one that was in that immediate area has been closely investigated.

I have not seen Mark having any suspicions about any neighbors or locals. The only people he has accused are Elaine/Cory/MH and potential drivers picking up a hitchhiking dylan.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I'm just jumping off your posts. But it is curious that Bender did not want to give any info on specific items that were found other than the mention of bones used to ID Dylan. But, MR talks about bones, a sock , a piece of a shirt and Shoe strings. NO SHOES. Did bears pull the shoe strings out of the shoes? What were those shoe strings used for?

RBBM

Right? Like a bear would remove his shoes and unlace them? I don't think so!!! So where are his shoes, backpack and of course, the fishing pole??? I'm also pretty sure a bear doesn't need a fishing pole to catch fish!:floorlaugh:

 

[katydid23]

IMO a random murderer who wasn't from the area and maybe had stumbled upon Dylan opportunistically wouldn't have been able to go up to where Dylan was found at least in a reasonable time frame where they wouldn't be seen.

Just a thought, could be someone who grew up in the area but moved away? I mean they would know the area well enough to find a route. Could be a RSO who lives away now?

They said the cleared all of the local RSOs. I imagine one that moved away would be given extra scrutiny. JMO

I agree it would have to be a local perp.

 

[pinto]

I'm just jumping off your posts. But it is curious that Bender did not want to give any info on specific items that were found other than the mention of bones used to ID Dylan. But, MR talks about bones, a sock , a piece of a shirt and Shoe strings. NO SHOES. Did bears pull the shoe strings out of the shoes? What were those shoe strings used for?

Wouldn't have been bears, probably, fwiw. THey were hibernating most of the time he was allegedly there.

graphic ahead: if the body was scavenged by mountain lions, which do not hibernate and do live in this area, it's possible the body was not found in the location where it was dumped. Or the reason that only some was found is because only part was scavenged. AFAIK, mountain lions cover up their carcasses to hide them, with branches and whatnot.

Was it ever said how far off the road the body was discovered?

 

[cocomod]

One of my boys would do that if I didn't watch him 24/7. He was my more challenging child.

The issue here is that I don't think LE would say this was a homicide without having some evidence to the fact. Like I said, I really wanted to believe he ran away and got lost and succumbed to the elements, but LE is saying that's not what happened. They would not just say that without cause, IMO.

Can I just tell you Kimster that I have a 14 y/o boy that WOULD hike 10 + miles in the woods just for fun? I am still in the process of raising him and I just hope that I survive. He IS my challenging child as well. (I almost wanted to pick up my cell phone and call you when I read your post because I could see someone who would understand what I am going through!)

If this was so common for Dylan, why didn't MR drive right up there that day, instead of driving twenty miles to where his friends live?

Exactly! I would search in our "river bottoms" FIRST for my son. Also, why didn't he call the friends first?

I am wondering if Dylan's cell phone was recovered - or was it in the backpack?

:sigh: This may be a long road to justice. I am here waiting!

 

[pinto]

True. They could be local too. But Vallecito is a very small town. I bet every one that was in that immediate area has been closely investigated.

I have not seen Mark having any suspicions about any neighbors or locals. The only people he has accused are Elaine/Cory/MH and potential drivers picking up a hitchhiking dylan.

I don't mean local as in living in Vallecito. I mean local as in someone who spends time in that area. I know a lot of trails and roads in the mountains where I spend time, but I don't live there. If that makes sense.

I do think it is highly likely that whoever left the body there had been there before, at some point.

 

[asyousay]

Was it not said on the radio show by Teresa that coyotes got at Dylan ?

 

[deca]

Coyotes, big cats, etc. like shoes if they were leather and if hungry enough would have moved them. Why weren't the shoelaces in them? IDK, but my guess is they were removed to tie Dylan up (?). Don't know for sure. I guess it is possible if the shoes were moved/chewed up the shoelaces could have come out, but I doubt it.

 

[pinto]

Was it not said on the radio show by Teresa that coyotes got at Dylan ?

I don't know, but that would make a lot of sense. They are huge scavengers.

 

[*Lash*]

And how often, exactly, would a 12-13 yr old boy venture by himself, into that remote area, which was full of cougars, mt. lions and bear? Even the searchers were armed for their own protection.

Yet Mark tells us that his young son would OFTEN venture into that dangerous area, all by himself, unarmed, with no emergency supplies, and not leave a note saying where he was going?

And Mark was nice enough to warn his friend Teresa or be careful of the wild animals when she was at his house. It was enough of a concern to bring up to his adult friend.

 

[SmoothOperator]

As much as hearing the things Mark has revealed turns my stomach, I hope that he keeps talking. Eventually he may slip and reveal details that he didn't learn from LE.

I feel much the same as you, vasportsmom.. While I have been very upset by Mark's IMO inappropriate, blasé, open candor in publicly speaking of his youngest son's body.. However I, too am of the opinion that as far as a possible perpetrator taking the bit of rope given him by investigators and literally doing one helluva bang up job of perfectly wrapping, knotting, and encircling his neck with the noose from said rope in perfect preparation for a hanging..well, IMO Mark is doing a fantastic job thus far and I truly hope he succeeds in his precise prep for the proverbial hanging..

IMO he is playing right into their hand and I honestly would not be at all surprised if in his new found comfort in front of the cams and media, if he hasn't already slipped numerous times in his free flow of details of the crime scene, body, remains, evidence, etc, etc.. As in his continuing to openly discuss such critical details that he has already publicly relayed certain details that LE DID NOT SHARE WITH HIM..

IMO LE have very deliberate motives in carefully choosing exactly what photos they shared with Mark, along with specifically choosing exactly what details they told him..IMO these exact details are known by LE and they are monitoring every word he continues to speak about his son, the crime, evidence, etc and KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY SPECIFICALLY CHOSE TO GIVE MARK WRT CRITICAL INFO..VS..WHAT THEY KNOW is critical info they specifically AND intentionally WITHELD from Mark..yet possibly here he is speaking publicly of specific details, knowledge, or case info that he did NOT receive from LE therefor should NOT have any knowledge of those details..<<<---again I reiterate this is MOO!

IMO I definitely believe that type of strategy is at play presently in this case wrt Mark Redwine..and as I said I would not at all be surprised if he hasn't already slipped up in publicly stating info or details that LE DID NOT SHARE and therefor he should have zero knowledge of those certain, specific info/details..kwim???

Once again this is jmo and moo in what I see as a very realistic possibility of what strategy and dynamics are presently at play in the ongoing investigation.. I see it as LE would be using this(Mark's new found comfort with the media in sharing specific details) to their very real benefit in their ongoing investigation..jmo, tho!

MOO...MOO...LE definitely did not want to discuss what had been found during the search. MR's ease of discussion and the number of media outlets with whom he discussed the information baffles me.

What confuses me even further is the varying descriptions repeated. It is difficult to say if this is a result of the media or MR. Does this confuse anyone else? The two following descriptions present very different images, IMO.

Furthermore, LE seemed to be sure they WERE NOT going to continue searches for further evidence.

Thank you, Tink for asking about this as I, too see it as contradictory in nature<jmo and am perfectly fine to agree to disagree with any who may see it differently>

IMO very, very different is 3-4 bones found scattered..vs..his graphic description of mangled and torn apart by wild animals..IMO that is very very different, tho, to each their own in how they interpret the descriptions given by Mark..

This part of the article stood out to me. Cory was part of the search! Sad. It also contradicts what Mark said about only authorized personnel were allowed.

I agree, Lash.. IMO it seems to me that the dismay that some had toward Elaine for not publicly broadcasting the details of the upcoming search were IMO without warrant..in my having strongly believed there was very good reason..reason that was not at all a mystery to me, in why she was NOT publicly broadcasting the specifics of the search for the purpose of not having any possible interference in hindering their finding Dylan.. In publicly broadcasting the specifics of the search IMO would have allowed any involved in the disappearance to possibly thwart that ultimate goal of finding Dylan.. IMO keeping those specific details of the upcoming search under wraps was a crucial necessity and IMO had that not been done its my very strong opinion we would not have Dylan's remains found this week.. <<--jmo, tho!

Listen to Mark chuckle and say, &#8232;&#8232;

"They can have a homicide all they want to, but if they feel like I had any involvement with it, then why am I standing on my front porch having this conversation with you?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsOjaB3OoGk&feature=youtu.be

All I can say to that is wow... I am shaking my head right now in disbelief.

Also interesting how the officer answered the question about whether Mark is a suspect. Or I should say didn't answer. "We have not identified any suspects at this time." Not saying they don't have any, not saying Mark isn't one, just saying they haven't identified any. Which is obvious, since they haven't said anyone is or isn't. That says volumes, IMO.

WoW!! Is really all I can say..just WoW about the entire demeanor, statements, and chilling way he is speaking about his very own, flesh and blood, youngest son and the ongoing crucial investigation into what happened and finding and serving justice upon the person who has murdered his son..WoW is such an understatement but truly there are no words to even begin to accurately describe it..jmo, tho!

I am not sure why LE finding Dylan's remains would make Mark feel more comfortable. Does he think LE has done all the testing and hasn't found anything to link him to Dylan's murder? Does he think that all murderers are arrested as soon as their victim's bodies are found? I really think he is making his comments to taunt Elaine.

I couldn't agree more with the above opinion on what possibly are Mark Redwine's motives and intents with his new found comfort with cameras, media, and reporters..specifically in speaking with such candor and blasé manner about the most heinous and gut wrenching details of his son's death wrt his remains and possibly what he and they endured pre and post mortem..

All jmo and nada damn thing more, tho!

 

[Migmuu]

Was it not said on the radio show by Teresa that coyotes got at Dylan ?

I haven't heard the podcast yet, but I wouldn't be surprised since coyotes are scavengers and the area Dylan's remains were found in had a lot of them.

The police have confirmed that Dylan didn't die from an animal attack, though. Here's a news article showing they're looking for a murderer.

 

[Pensfan]

RBBM

Right? Like a bear would remove his shoes and unlace them? I don't think so!!! So where are his shoes, backpack and of course, the fishing pole??? I'm also pretty sure a bear doesn't need a fishing pole to catch fish!:floorlaugh:

lol
Sleepwalking bears didn't take Dylan either. Bears begin hibernating in the Rocky Mountains in Oct. Dylan disappeared in late November.
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-american-black-bear-and-rocky-mountain-national-park

 

[Tonto]

By the way. The fact that LE is saying Mark Redwine isn't a suspect doesn't necessarily mean they're telling the truth.

This is generally true, but there is a distinction worthy of mention. They didn't only say yesterday that he is not a suspect or a person of interest - they said they have no reason to believe that any family is involved. That is a marked shift from their previous denials of suspicion, and is more authoritative and far less ambiguous.

 

[Pensfan]

And Mark was nice enough to warn his friend Teresa or be careful of the wild animals when she was at his house. It was enough of a concern to bring up to his adult friend.

Yeah, really nice because sleepwalking bears are dangerous. facepalm: for MR)

Bears in the Rocky Mountains begin hibernating in October. Dylan disappeared at the end of Nov.
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-american-black-bear-and-rocky-mountain-national-park