Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

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Can you please link the specific interview, thank you! :)
Transcripts of one interview is over in the Media, maps and Timelines thread. The actual interview is
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/06/10/tricias-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern

A previous radio show is here, http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/06/03/tricias-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern

but there is currently no transcript.

Media thread is great for catching up.
 
At this stage has anybody changed there mind recently on who they think is responsible ?

I do keep thinking "what if" but my mind is pretty much firmly made up .

Now that we know that Mark could walk out his front door and look at the side of the mountain, and see where the remains were found, I am solid in my belief of who is responsible for leaving Dylan out there. JMO
 
Here's one thing that is bothering me in MR's story that I haven't seen others focus on (but I haven't read the back threads so maybe this has been visited and revisited before)...

We know that Dylan had a specific plan to meet R at his gma's house at 6:30. Presumably, Dylan would tell his father the time he planned on being there so that his father could drive him there (I do not believe Dylan would want to get up hours earlier in order to walk there by 6:30).

MR said he knew something about a plan for Dylan to meet up with a friend the next day.
Let's say that he knew the specifics of the plan, because if everything were normal, Dylan would have told him the 6:30 plan so that he could be driven there on time.

Let's go further and assume that come morning, MR tried to rouse Dylan but couldn't and he didn't force the issue and make Dylan get out of bed, despite his plans. I can understand not doing that. But then to leave the house at 7:30 and stay away for 4 hours when you know your child planned to be somewhere at 6:30 doesn't seem reasonable or normal to me.

So, IMO, it seems like MR didn't know about the 6:30 plan (and if not, why not? surely Dylan would want to arrange a ride). Or, IMO, maybe he did know about the 6:30 plan, but he still went out for reasons of his own that morning, either figuring that his implicit part in that plan would be forgotten or just not thinking about it at all because of all the other things on his mid.

Again, MOO.

IMO, Dylan did not choose that time out of thin air. He must have been told, presumably by MR, that it would have to be at 6:30am or after the errands. Maybe Dylan said 6:30 to R, when MR meant they would have to be up at 6:30. Or else MR did not get away until later because he was busy doing other things.

In any event, I doubt that Dylan just made up the specified time.
 
I just went googling to see if I could find the original links for you. Can't seem to find them now, but originally, Mark told LE that Dylan's fishing pole was missing. So when they began to search the lake, Mark was critical that it took them so long to begin dragging the lake. He said he told them from the start that the fishing pole was missing so what took them so long.
In the Media, Maps and Timeline thread, post 15, there is a reference to the fishing pole. There are more somewhere.

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Thanks vasportsmom for putting the links there.

ETA: Fishing pole was also on the Dr. Phil show.
 
Here's one thing that is bothering me in MR's story that I haven't seen others focus on (but I haven't read the back threads so maybe this has been visited and revisited before)...

We know that Dylan had a specific plan to meet R at his gma's house at 6:30. Presumably, Dylan would tell his father the time he planned on being there so that his father could drive him there (I do not believe Dylan would want to get up hours earlier in order to walk there by 6:30).

MR said he knew something about a plan for Dylan to meet up with a friend the next day.
Let's say that he knew the specifics of the plan, because if everything were normal, Dylan would have told him the 6:30 plan so that he could be driven there on time.

Let's go further and assume that come morning, MR tried to rouse Dylan but couldn't and he didn't force the issue and make Dylan get out of bed, despite his plans. I can understand not doing that. But then to leave the house at 7:30 and stay away for 4 hours when you know your child planned to be somewhere at 6:30 doesn't seem reasonable or normal to me.

So, IMO, it seems like MR didn't know about the 6:30 plan (and if not, why not? surely Dylan would want to arrange a ride). Or, IMO, maybe he did know about the 6:30 plan, but he still went out for reasons of his own that morning, either figuring that his implicit part in that plan would be forgotten or just not thinking about it at all because of all the other things on his mid.

Again, MOO.

I think Mark knew about the 6:30 time because he would have ben the one that told Dylan that the only way he could give Dylan a ride to Bayfield is if it is by 6:30, since he needed to be in Durango for an early appt.

I think he promised Dylan he would give him a ride the next morning, so Dylan texted his friend and set up the plans. But then what?:frown:
 
Agreed Eileen, but many people have a skewed idea of what it means. They think if someone acts ' crazy' then theyre legally ' insane' . KWIM
He may think he'd get it .

Also I wonder if someone somehwere said ( and im about to look it up ) that is a certain % of the body is all that is found, nothing can be proved? Is that even possible ? It's curious the 98% . I thought when I heard it , that was odd. Why not say most or almost all or very little, why 98% ?

LE didn't tell him specifically that only 2% was recovered? I thought on one of the news phone interviews MR said LE told him that figure, but I could be wrong on this!
 
I'm thinking a lot of AZgrandma and her family this morning. She was so very close to this situation and we understandably have not heard from her.

Prayers for you and your family, AZgrandma.

I saw some posts by her after the announcement.

One thing that really struck me in listening to the last Tricia interview with Mark prior to Dylan being found was what a bit of a different story seemed to now be emerging per Mark Redwine's account of November 18.. did anyone else come away with a very different sense of what the atmosphere was like between he and Dylan that evening??.. whereas prior to that interview with Tricia Mark's account of that evening was a painting of everything being a-okay, hunky-dory, and chummy pals with Dylan in their time spent together.. hitting the WalMart, grabbing the quick drive thru bite to eat on their way home back to dad's house..tossing around the nerf football..the father-son talk about Dylan's expressing his disappointment in not getting to play football at the new school and Mark's stating that if he'd had any say in it he would have ensured his boy got on that team.. the watching the movie together..etc..etc..

IMO the above is a quick summation of what the picture was of that evening as painted for us by Mark Redwine for the longest time..IMO literally up until that last interview with Tricia it had been illustrated as such by Mark..IMO the account of that evening that emerged from that last interview was IMO seemingly very, very different than what we had thus far, all along been told..<<---in MOO!

But again IMO if you've not yet heard the interview IMO its definitely worth a listen as IMO what emerges is a very different..very strained, and IMO very uncomfortable atmosphere between father and son on that last night, November 18.. all jmo, tho!

Snipped for space.

I agree. IMO, he was already angry when he picked Dylan up from the airport. He was furious because of whatever Dylan said in chambers to the judge that caused him not to see Dylan after that except for Thanksgiving. He was furious because Dylan refused to communicate much with him after the hearing (according to his radio interview).

And Dylan was no longer a compliant child who could be distracted by a game of catch. He was a teen who knew what he wanted, where he was comfortable and who loved him.m

I think this dad's anger grew after he picked up Dylan and could not break through the sullenness of the child who did not want to be there. To him, it was likely a rejection and proof that Elaine had "won".

I think they had words, dad's anger got the best of him and he lashed out fatally.

In his radio interview he keeps repeating how he tried to wake Dylan, "made coffee, sat around, you know, tried to make as much noise as I can to kind of gently stir Dylan and wake him up...you know, Dylan isn’t responding to any of that, so, you know, I’m hollering his name, I’m, you know, whistling, doing all the things that I would normally do when I’m trying to get him awake. You know, again, and you know I do it in a gentle manner, and I’m not gonna’ go startle him by any means and…and have him wake up and be all alarmed. So, I spent probably 35-45 minutes maybe even close to an hour trying to get his attention and I couldn’t get through to him...and I’ll pace around the floor, I’ll turn the music on, you know, I’ll holler his name..."

I think that happened. I think that really happened. I think he realized there was a big problem but tried not to admit to himself that Dylan wasn't going to "wake up". So he kept trying. Until an hour had passed. Then, knowing he was in big trouble, he began putting together a plausible story, IMO.

He thought he really lucked out with the mail carrier's statement. There's always someone in these cases with that kind of statement (i.e. Caylee Anthony at an airport, or a strange man running from Leila Fowler's home, etc.), but clearly, he was not walking down the street with another kid that day and dad remains the last person to have seen Dylan alive. And then, his post-disappearance behavior has been a dead giveaway, IMO.

This is a horrible case. It may be hard to crack a guy like MR. I have the impression (perhaps I'm wrong), that he has little conscience and is used to lying. If he has no guilt feelings due to what he may have done, then he will never fess up.

Like I said on the radio thread, a boy like Dylan is a special gift to those lucky enough to be his parents. My opinion is that one of those parents did not treasure that beautiful gift.
 
HurleysRUS, perceived hypothesis, is one of the primary reasons that missing persons' investigations grow cold; choosing a suspect and forging the evidence to fit.. Perceived hypothesis is why the Adam Walsh case went cold for almost three decades..

With that said, I haven't followed Dylan's case that closely. After the news of his recovery, I began scanning the threads and noticed a few very disturbing revelations; Dylans' disappearance was initially treated as a runaway by LE. There was no Amber Alert issued for Dylan.
Critical/valuable time was squandered by investigators in the first few hours and days, focusing on his father, imo..
The stats indicate a stranger or slight acquaintance abduction when a child of Dylan's age vanishes..

As someone who has followed this case closely ( although I haven't posted that many times due to being very busy this year-working, graduating kids, and getting married :-)) I really recommend more than scanning this case.

There is a Lot out there-and here- and four very very very information laden radio shows ( 8 hours almost- i know I keep bringing this up) by the parents, and the father even states that he reads these very threads. yup!
hmmm
check out the threads. Get to know MR in his own words. He has put himself out there is a large way.
and EH's.
See what they say about one another! ::thud::
This search may give you some insight as to why this was a "court ordered" stressful- visit and why that keeps being repeated.

IMOO
LE treated this as a missing person from every angle from the beginning. Some people may want us to think that they squandered certain time focusing on the wrong and searched in "Stupid" places.

But hey- certain people "failed their Poly's miserably" and end up being pretty smart about stupid unlikely places.

:cowcouch:
 
If a stranger abducted Dylan from/near MR's home while MR was running errands, it was no later 11:30, most likely earlier. Dylan wasn't reported missing until 5:30 by his mother.

(see: http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...508/Some-leads-eliminated-in-Redwine-case---- ) [MR had contacted police during the afternoon but had not reported him missing.]

The remains were found about 10 miles from the father's house, which is in a pretty undeveloped area. If it was a stranger/non-MR abduction, even if an amber alert had been issued, it seems unlikely that anything anyone could do would have helped the situation at that point.

That said, I find that possibility very unlikely, IMO.

If a stranger abducted Dylan, for what purpose would that be? Obviously not a kidnapping for ransom. So what's the other option? SO? Why would this person dispose of the backpack in a different location? It wouldn't make sense for them to keep it and risk being caught would it? Are we to believe that a coyote dragged it back to it's den to use the phone or Ipod? Or is it still in the general vicinity of the original location where Dylan was hidden?

Stranger abduction, especially someone local who would have been familiar with the terrain, just doesn't seem likely to me.

MOO
 
I do wonder if Mark arrived at the airport angry . Dylan was a day late and maybe Mark thought that was more game playing on Elaine's part . Then the flight was over a hour late (Mark said this on the radio show) and Dylan is distant and sullen when he arrives . Mark try's to win Dylan around with McDonald's and movies but Dylan is still not happy and Mark grows more angry as the night progresses .

IMO - I have no idea is this did happen that evening !
 
At this stage has anybody changed there mind recently on who they think is responsible ?

I do keep thinking "what if" but my mind is pretty much firmly made up .
As of the 6 month point, I have fallen off the fence. The "what if" comes from the fact that the facts of the case as we know them, and as they stand, could be made to fit several scenarios. It is the circumstantial evidence and Mark's own words that kicked me off the fence. I'm on board with the possibility that I could be wrong, and am willing to entertain any thoughts by others that would change my mind. So far, the reasons posted why it should be stranger abduction are either not as compelling as the circumstantial evidence to me or has been interpreted by the poster differently than me, so I cannot agree with it. It doesn't make them wrong, I just personally cannot agree with it.
 
Are there transcripts of crime radio, they have no closed caption option for us deaf people.... Sorry if there is somewhere else to post this but these interviews of mark I have no access to. Thanks
 
The fact that his own son (Corey) is suspicious of his father in what he would do to Dylan speaks volumes to me. I have no followed MR very closely and what all he did surrounded the missing date but just that single fact is really all it takes for me to think he could possibly be involved.

My thoughts as well. As I said before, Kids should not be forced to visit the other parent in a separated home, especially when there is violence in the past between to two. I trust Corey and what he says. jmo
 
I just went googling to see if I could find the original links for you. Can't seem to find them now, but originally, Mark told LE that Dylan's fishing pole was missing. So when they began to search the lake, Mark was critical that it took them so long to begin dragging the lake. He said he told them from the start that the fishing pole was missing so what took them so long.

And yet MR states, that the area Dylan was eventually found in, was a stupid place to search.
 
Are there transcripts of crime radio, they have no closed caption option for us deaf people.... Sorry if there is somewhere else to post this but these interviews of mark I have no access to. Thanks

YES. Our brilliant TXJ transcribed them. I will go look for the links for you.

ETA:



And in case you cant watch them the transcripts for Mark's show is here . TxJan1971 did them for us on here
[ thaT LINK DIDNT WORK---I WILL LOOK FOR THE RIGHT ONE.]

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And yet MR states, that the area Dylan was eventually found in, was a stupid place to search.

Yep , I posted what he said in the other thread about his "gut" feeling. Dylan was nowhere near his home apparently . Almost like he didn't want LE looking too close to home :moo:

The exact quote so i do not look like i am making this stuff up

48:12
TG:
When you say you&#8217;re taking it international, uh&#8230;it&#8217;s&#8230;you had stated before that you do not believe Dylan is &#8230;is to be found anywhere close by the home. You feel that he&#8217;s outside maybe even the state of Colorado, but when you say internationally, what&#8217;s going to happen? How are you going to take this to an international level?

48:31
MR:
Well, you know, that&#8217;s&#8230;that&#8217;s my perspective, and obviously it&#8217;s a gut feeling that I have that I don&#8217;t believe that Dylan is anywhere near my home or anywhere in the area that in which I live.
 
My thoughts on the fishing pole are that it was meant to send LE and searchers off on a wild goose chase. Get them looking at the lake, so they didn't head off up the mountain where Dylan was. Knowing that the weather was going to make that area impossible to search for months, all he really needed to do was keep them focused on the lake at the beginning. And I think the missing fishing pole was meant to put that focus in the wrong place.

Just my opinion.
 
IMO, Dylan did not choose that time out of thin air. He must have been told, presumably by MR, that it would have to be at 6:30am or after the errands. Maybe Dylan said 6:30 to R, when MR meant they would have to be up at 6:30. Or else MR did not get away until later because he was busy doing other things.

In any event, I doubt that Dylan just made up the specified time.

MR made up the time.

He had to go to town ( durango? ) to do work...early billing for the company he works for. He was getting up early to do this so that he could get his "needs met " " do what he needed to do " so that later he could " be there for DR to get" his needs met". This meant take care of him and get him over to his friends house after work.

The back story is... dylan wanted to go there to his friends really badly (MR said that DR wanted to go to his friends right away...that night even....from the ride from the airport!) but MR wouldn't let him - MR wanted to spend time with him ( even if it meant having to do things he didn't want to do -eat at mcd's, watch a teen movie- while his normal son txtd on his phone and probably also was on a laptop too simultaneously)

MR offered that if DR wanted to go to his friends ( so badly) it would have to be early the next morning....get up with him early and get a ride in with him extra early. MR made up that time. ( weird time to show up at a friends house but...I could see it happening with one of my son's friends maybe- maybe) And imoo he's made up the whole thing everything after 9:37 pm

I am sorry.
Maybe I shouldn't say anything more.
 
This has nothing to do with solving the case. It just seems so strange, that I have to say it. In the beginning and through much of this case MR referred to Dylan in the past tense and as "that boy." Now he is referring to Dylan in present tense and as "my son." Strange.
 
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