Dysfunction Is The Key

[madeleine]

(voice-over) This was a pageant in 1996. A bruise noted on JonBenet's arm. A friend of the family's said a hamster cage had fallen on her.

(From taped telephone conversation) Did you see this bruise?

Dr. FRANCESCO BEUF: No, I didn't.

DIANE SAWYER: (voice-over) Once again, Dr. Francesco Beuf, JonBenet's pediatrician, who says in 27 visits over three years, the only injuries he saw were the usual childhood accidents. His notes from October 1994.

(From taped telephone conversation)

Dr. FRANCESCO BEUF: Has good appetite. Doesn't like much variety. Amount of TV she watches. Very cooperative behavior. Loves to draw. Scar on her check from being hit with a golf club. And if a parent had been involved in that, then we certainly would have jumped on the situation. I did not write down who had been the hitter.

DIANE SAWYER: (voice-over) We're told it was a play accident with brother Burke. In 1995, his notes record a serious fall at a grocery store. A year after that, a finger hurt. Beuf indicated child abuse was not even a remote suspicion.


hm......didn't know about this stuff

 

[madeleine]

is it true that Bynum used to work for Hunter?
read it here,had no clue

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6502/6d/6deg.html

Mike Bynum, close personal friend of Patsy and John Ramsey (1, 2) and a founding partner of the law firm Chrisman, Bynum & Johnson. He specializes in business law. Bynum is an ex-prosecutor who used to work for Hunter (23), and is said to have advised the Ramseys to "lawyer up" shortly after the murder. He is responsible for choosing the politically connected firm of Haddon (16), Morgan (16) & Foreman (5). Although not an official part of the Ramsey defense team, Bynum has hosted meetings in his law office between them, the BPD, and the DA's team. There are also rumors that at least two members of his law firm are working as part of the Ramsey defense team, although they have not been publicly acknowledged as such. Bynum is a business partner of "Pasta" Jay Elowsky (14), along with John Ramsey and Lowell Elowsky (18). His law partner, John Stavely (22), is "Pasta" Jay's attorney and Stavely represented Elowsky in court during his baseball bat and DUI incidents. Another partner is Byron Chrisman (29), who financed construction of the building in which the JonBenét Ramsey Children's Foundation Office is said to be located. Bynum was put in charge of the house when the Ramseys moved to Atlanta, and hosted ABC's Prime Time Live tour of the Ramsey's Boulder home with Diane Sawyer. He announced that the house had been purchased by a LLC (limited liability corporation) composed of friends of the Ramseys, but refused to say what friends were involved. It is speculated that he is a part of the LLC. Eventually, the group plans to resell the house and donate any profits to the JonBenét Ramsey Children's Foundation.

 

[DeeDee249]

Good point about Dr. B not doing a pelvic exam.

I'm not sure Dr. B was at liberty to turn over the records to police. Do we have any lawyers here?

Of course, anything can be WILLINGLY turned over to police. If not, it can be subpoenaed. Hunter refused to allow that, as far as I know. The Rs asked for (and got) an "island of privacy" (their words) about BR's medical records. They needn't have worried- Hunter refused to allow ANY medical records for JB or BR to be subpoenaed.

 

[Chrishope]

Of course, anything can be WILLINGLY turned over to police. If not, it can be subpoenaed. Hunter refused to allow that, as far as I know. The Rs asked for (and got) an "island of privacy" (their words) about BR's medical records. They needn't have worried- Hunter refused to allow ANY medical records for JB or BR to be subpoenaed.

No, the patient/doctor privilege is for the patient, not for the doctor. The doctor can't turn over the records without the patient's ok (unless there is a court order saying that the privilege doesn't cover -XYZ) So "willingly" isn't the operative word, for the doctor. Willingly is the operative word for the patient.

AFAIK, the privilege still remains, after death. In this case, the patient was a minor, so it might fall to the parents to decide? I think we know what decision would be made.

 

[midwest mama]

There's something about Beth being mentioned more than Burke that just seems odd to me. Why would Beth be mentioned that often in a book about JonBenet's murder and John's life in the 15 years since?

Here's a link to a video of an interview with JR for his book promo.
http://www.daystar.com/ondemand/joni-his-story-part-1-john-ramsey-j882/#.UdJaVTuTiCp

This site has the interview in 2 Parts. In this Part 1 video, it's interesting that he begins with his loss of Beth. At just past the half way mark, he also recalls the morning and finding of the note, etc. and goes on to give his account of how things happened. It's an interesting overall 2 part video, if you want to hear JR give his account of the story and how he came to understand God in his life through his tragedies.

Notice, he states that Beth's death is the real beginning of his journey of discovery about his faith and God. She died 4 years before JB, and JR also talked in the video about a friend who worked with him after Beth's death for 2 years in a Bible study. Yet, JR says in his book, pg 43, that he received a letter after JB died to tell him her own story about appreciating her family because of the loss the Ramsey's suffered, "The letter, and others like it, made me think that good might actually come from JonBenet's short life on earth. I had always been self-focused with not much concern for my fellow man, but this outpouring of compassion from total strangers would change me forever."

Now here is a man who has been on a pretty intense faith walk for four years prior to losing JB, and yet still considered himself self"ish". He stated in his book: "A parent never really goes back to normal after the death of a child." And this also: "It took me four years after Beth's death (1992 - 1996 = 4 years) to achieve some semblance of inner peace. I couldn't be alone or I would start to cry. Driving to and from work by myself, I would start to cry. Traveling on the airlines by myself, I would cry......"

No matter how hard JR worked to find some peace and healing after Beth died - obviously he was having difficulty.

 

[madeleine]

No, the patient/doctor privilege is for the patient, not for the doctor. The doctor can't turn over the records without the patient's ok (unless there is a court order saying that the privilege doesn't cover -XYZ) So "willingly" isn't the operative word, for the doctor. Willingly is the operative word for the patient.

AFAIK, the privilege still remains, after death. In this case, the patient was a minor, so it might fall to the parents to decide? I think we know what decision would be made.

but if the patient is an adult now he can decide by himself?
if BR is totally innocent maybe the only reason he still keeps his mouth shut is pressure from daddy.IF he was abused or emotionally hurt as well it can't be easy,maybe he would spill the beans but he's not allowed.if this is the case maybe he will talk after JR's death.maybe he just wants/needs for all of this to be over so he can really move on with his life without being under the umbrella of suspicion.it wouldn't be the first time when a child (adult now) decides to speak about his parent's guilt after so many years because he just wants to be free of it.

 

[UKGuy]

but if the patient is an adult now he can decide by himself?
if BR is totally innocent maybe the only reason he still keeps his mouth shut is pressure from daddy.IF he was abused or emotionally hurt as well it can't be easy,maybe he would spill the beans but he's not allowed.if this is the case maybe he will talk after JR's death. maybe he just wants/needs for all of this to be over so he can really move on with his life without being under the umbrella of suspicion.it wouldn't be the first time when a child (adult now) decides to speak about his parent's guilt after so many years because he just wants to be free of it.

madeleine,
Once JR moves on. It will be open season on the JonBenet case. The dead cannot be libelled.

What will be interesting might be any future litigation strategy adopted by BR. Will he pull up the drawbridge, and litigate any accusation?

Although we might not find out all the details, one way or another, we will discover which RDI is the correct one.

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[UKGuy]

Therapists are required NOW to report suspected abuse. Was that the case in Boulder in 1996?
Like Dr. B, their pediatrician, he can easily get himself off the hook by claiming he never suspected abuse. Of course, he never LOOKED for it either, admitting he never did a pelvic exam on JB, so couldn't have seen the eroded hymen or any bruising that may have been there on previous occasions. He really only looked at the external pubic area. A pelvic exam is not part of a normal exam for a girl that age, so it isn't unusual that he did not do one. What IS suspect is that he publicly gave the impression that she was NOT abused because he did not see evidence of it. You don't see what you don't look for (or what you don't want to see). Dr B may have been aware of abuse by BR- and would never have admitted this to LE. With his virulent refusal to turn over the medical records of his little murdered patient even to solve her murder makes me VERY suspicious of what was in those records. If it was as simple as a few urinary tract infections and diaper rash, what was there to hide? Why not try to help LE solve her murder? Why threaten to destroy them rather than risk turning them over to LE? I think we can all figure out "why".

DeeDee249,
Yet if there have been reporting requirements, what does Dr. Beuf have to hide?

Stating you never looked is not quite the same as saying I never knew.

I reckon what might be being concealed here is some kind of interaction between JonBenet and BR, leading to medical assistance.

At this level the good doctor is simply going about his business, helping wealthy clients navigate apparent atypical childhood behaviour.

Now that medical assistance could take the form of consultancy referral, as in a psychologist, etc.

Not allowing the release of the medical records is one big red flag!


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[Chrishope]

but if the patient is an adult now he can decide by himself?
if BR is totally innocent maybe the only reason he still keeps his mouth shut is pressure from daddy.IF he was abused or emotionally hurt as well it can't be easy,maybe he would spill the beans but he's not allowed.if this is the case maybe he will talk after JR's death.maybe he just wants/needs for all of this to be over so he can really move on with his life without being under the umbrella of suspicion.it wouldn't be the first time when a child (adult now) decides to speak about his parent's guilt after so many years because he just wants to be free of it.

Yes, BR can release his records if he wishes.

I suspect BR keeps quiet for the same reason the Kenedy children don't spend a lot of time asking who really killed JFK? It's not a detached cerebral exercise for him. Also it's much harder to believe one (or both) parents killed your sister when you can't be objective.

He might remain silent because he actually believes IDI.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Yes, BR can release his records if he wishes.

I suspect BR keeps quiet for the same reason the Kenedy children don't spend a lot of time asking who really killed JFK? It's not a detached cerebral exercise for him. Also it's much harder to believe one (or both) parents killed your sister when you can't be objective.

He might remain silent because he actually believes IDI.

Have OJ and Nicole's children ever talked to the media?

 

[Chrishope]

Have OJ and Nicole's children ever talked to the media?

I don't know. I've never followed that case at all.

 

[madeleine]

Have OJ and Nicole's children ever talked to the media?

I don't think so...

 

[questfortrue]

“A decent man will behave decently even if he thinks that he has been treated unjustly or wrongly. But many people in such circumstances show a side of their nature which otherwise they would never show. And at times it is a necessary means for exposing a man’s nature. So long as you are good to a man he is good to you. But what will he be like if you scratch him a little?” Gurdjieff

The R’s wanted everyone to think what a normal, Christian family they were. Their words constantly reinforced that image. But, as one studies their behavior, that’s when there’s something “jarring” about their behavior against the backdrop of their words. In my view, the director of the “show” was JR. But what is indeterminate after all of these years is what drove the actions of JR and PR:
1) Kolar’s view of parental protection of BR?
2) JR’s protection of image, which he’s been trying to manage for 16+years?
3) Protection from the consequences of their actions on the night of the 25th/morning of the 26th ?

Would a decent man or woman point police in the direction of their friends who rushed to their side when it was thought JB was kidnapped?

Would a “normal” response be to hire, not just attorneys, but a PR firm to help manage image?

A noble instinct to protect a son (if BDI) becomes, IMO, weird and unnatural when one places that instinct in the context of a homicide of another family member, especially at the very beginning of the crime revelation. What is it about this extreme “protection” in the environment of JB’s homicide and a justice for a little girl. If BDI, have the parents taught BR an “immutable truth” that lying really pays.

Dysfunction is the title of this thread. One of the definitions of a dysfunctional family is the lying and controlling which goes on behind closed doors. Did PR keep knowledge about their son from JR? Did JR hide some big secret from PR? Was PR’s life spinning out of control trying to project perfection of their family? Was JR still content in his marriage or had he entertained something else. How mildly or severely WAS BR neglected? All of these things we aren’t able to know with any certainty, but if you listen to PR and JR speak, and you read JR’s book, you hear that their marriage was wonderful, BR is doing great. Never have I heard of any parent who has lost their child senselessly, scale the peak of perfection like this family.

So far, so good, someone got away with homicide. Since the family no longer lives together, perhaps the dysfunction is now buried. IDK, but I can’t help but shudder if BR marries and has a little girl that looks like JB.

Ideally, if one could pull on one of the threads of their lies to each other, it might unravel more of what was at the heart of this dysfunction that brought about JB’s demise. MHO, it wasn’t just one deception among family.