EB Blames AB For What Happened

[Kamille]

BBM

How can any one be confirming AB was at work when they don't have a clue when she was murdered?

Exactly teh. They have to narrow down a timeline to either include AB in everything or exclude him from some or all of it. And since EB is supposedly "co-operating", then she should have been able to give them an exact date of when she claims she "found Zahra dead".

She can't have it both ways. She can't expect people to believe her version of events without giving out critical information that is necessary to back up her story. If she is choosing not to, it makes everything she is saying suspect.

MOO

 

[westsidefox64]

BBM

How can any one be confirming AB was at work when they don't have a clue when she was murdered?

WE DONT KNOW WHEN SHE WAS MURDERED! I have a feeling LE has a much better timeline than we do. Im playing alot of devils advocate here. I just havent seen enough evidence to convict the man on murder or cover up. I personally think he should spend the rest of his life in prison for neglect. I just think he has a caveman personna, He made the money and expected her to deal with the kid. IMO she did deal with the kid, Just not the way she was supose to.

 

[tehcloser]

WE DONT KNOW WHEN SHE WAS MURDERED! I have a feeling LE has a much better timeline than we do. Im playing alot of devils advocate here. I just havent seen enough evidence to convict the man on murder or cover up. I personally think he should spend the rest of his life in prison for neglect. I just think he has a caveman personna, He made the money and expected her to deal with the kid. IMO she did deal with the kid, Just not the way she was supose to.

I hope LE has a closer time line, but if IIRC aren't they still looking for those who have seen her? And if they just found a "bone", they can get a ball park TOD, but not one that AB could be ruled out by saying he was working. Playing devil's advocate is a good thing, but it has to be played within working parameters...otherwise it does no good. They have torn the house apart looking for evidence, there was a major clean up going on, ie; painting, etc. New mattresses being bought......how could the man not know? When you have to keep coming up with excuse after excuse as to why something CAN'T be......it usually IS.

 

[westsidefox64]

I hope LE has a closer time line, but if IIRC aren't they still looking for those who have seen her? And if they just found a "bone", they can get a ball park TOD, but not one that AB could be ruled out by saying he was working. Playing devil's advocate is a good thing, but it has to be played within working parameters...otherwise it does no good. They have torn the house apart looking for evidence, there was a major clean up going on, ie; painting, etc. New mattresses being bought......how could the man not know? When you have to keep coming up with excuse after excuse as to why something CAN'T be......it usually IS.

Thats what I like so much about WS is everyone has thier own opinion and is free to state it. I dont think im digging to come up with things to prove him innocent myself. If I truely thought he was guilty Id say so. Also if evidence changes to the point to put a doubt in my mind I will be the first to say so. As for the clean up and new mattress I can easily see how he wasnt aware there either. I buy new furniture and things for my house without talking it over with my husband. He usually gets the raw end of the deal in having to help move out the old to add the new. I have also had friends help me move out the old and my husband has come home from work after the fact. I also think with them just moving in and knowing thier money situation its not out of the realm to have a landlord say Ill waive the deposit if you clean and paint. If this was the case it wouldnt seem out of place to AB for her to be doing these things. JMHO

 

[impatientredhead]

WE DONT KNOW WHEN SHE WAS MURDERED! I have a feeling LE has a much better timeline than we do. Im playing alot of devils advocate here. I just havent seen enough evidence to convict the man on murder or cover up. I personally think he should spend the rest of his life in prison for neglect. I just think he has a caveman personna, He made the money and expected her to deal with the kid. IMO she did deal with the kid, Just not the way she was supose to.

I am sorry, but in my world when you clean up the scene where the child died, dispose of her body clearly with the intent that it not be found, and then conspire to sell a cover story for the "missing" child the child was murdered.

Even if you buy what in my opinion is the fantasy that she died of an untreated infection.... letting your child die due to lack of medical care is homicide.

Not getting help after an accident because your previous abuse investigations would be held against you is homicide.

Letting your child die from what wasn't intended as a fatal blow is homicide.

There is no accidental or medical cause here that doesn't lead directly back to these two covering their own .

She was murdered.
I know that with every fiber of my being.
I don't know the exact flavor, but they killed that child, cleaned up her room, threw away her body, and wrote a story to keep themselves out of jail. There is no way around that.

imo

 

[Etilema]

Missing girl's mother said to blame Zahra's father

"The stepmother of a missing 10-year-old girl in North Carolina said during a jailhouse visit with two relatives this week that she blames a lot of her current predicament on her husband, one of those relatives said Friday."

""As we talked with her, she cried over missing Zahra and how her husband has left her to take all the blame for what has happened when he played a big part in this terrible situation," the cousin said... "

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/06/north.carolina.missing.girl/index.html

And so the blame dance begins...

Someone may have already said this (I haven't yet read through the thread), but I am so annoyed that the headline refers to EB as Zahra's "MOTHER". :furious::banghead::sick:

 

[tlcya]

To hear EB tell it via purpoted letters, IT is all AB's fault, she was a paragon of maternal love for Zahra

Selfserving bullcarp

:sick:

 

[Pugnolia]

Oh Pleeeasse ... the cousins say Adam is into Paganism and doesn't believe in God ...

So just who else in this upstanding family also fits that bill ?

Let's see ... could it be, could it be, oh I know, it's GothicFairie!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/06/north.carolina.missing.girl/index.html?hpt=Sbin

 

[tlcya]

sigh, oh please, lets not even open up the whole pagan doesn't believe in god thing. Pagans beleive in a higher power, they just don't worship God the father, the holy ghost, or Jesus Christ specifically.

NG really did a huge diservice to this case when she erroneously and repeatedly referred to EB an dpossibly AB being "pagan worshippers" Pagan is not a god to be worshipped. It is a believe structure that recognizes a higher power and right and wrong. It calls for believers to live their lives while harming none and to recongnize that we are all connected and to harm another is to harm themselves.

Those people are only pagans insomuch as they think its dark and kewl to refer to themselves as such, it is obvious they know nothing of the practice or they would never have been involved in half the garbage they were into, not the least of which is the killing of Z.

 

[Etilema]

This is the first time I've seen this video, and it answers (at very end ) something I've long wondered...who visited EB in jail? The article is posted Oct. 18. So roughly 1 week after EB was arrested, we have 1 of her daughters, her step-son, and lo and behold, Adam Baker, visiting EB.

http://www.wcnc.com/home/Investigat...s-in-Zahra-Baker-disappearance-105200489.html

We have no possible way of knowing what EB and AB discussed during this jail visit, but we do know that, by this time, AB knew LE had something on EB. And we also know that recently AB was seen driving around town in a truck with a poster that says, "Zahra's mother abused her daily." I find it VERY curious that a man who has just lost his daughter, knows EB is suspected of having commited a crime in relation to his daughter, and who is quick to tell the world that his daughter was abused daily while he did absolutely nothing to stop it, would visit said woman. Unless, of course, he HAD to visit this woman for some reason. I can't imagine he visited to say, "What the hell have you done to my daughter!" when he's, by his own admission, been aware of this daily abuse over such a long period of time.

ALL JUST MOO, of course.

This was questioned when AB was quoted (after this) saying that he had not spoken with EB since she was arrested. Various theories included the idea that perhaps he had gone to the jail but did not see her because she refused, wasn't allowed visitors at that point, or some other reason.

 

[wenwe4]

Agree with you. I don't hear her denying this. We really don't know what actually went on yet and may never know. I am not defending her in anyway.
I haven't posted much. Have lurked since Laci Peterson. This case is one of the most horrible things I have ever seen. I pray for Zahra each day.

(OT: Glad you are coming out of lurk mode and posting, Tracy! Would love to hear your thoughts more often. Who knows, you might inspire others who continue to lurk to join in the discussion.)

 

[Kamille]

Thats what I like so much about WS is everyone has thier own opinion and is free to state it. I dont think im digging to come up with things to prove him innocent myself. If I truely thought he was guilty Id say so. Also if evidence changes to the point to put a doubt in my mind I will be the first to say so. As for the clean up and new mattress I can easily see how he wasnt aware there either. I buy new furniture and things for my house without talking it over with my husband. He usually gets the raw end of the deal in having to help move out the old to add the new. I have also had friends help me move out the old and my husband has come home from work after the fact. I also think with them just moving in and knowing thier money situation its not out of the realm to have a landlord say Ill waive the deposit if you clean and paint. If this was the case it wouldnt seem out of place to AB for her to be doing these things. JMHO

I agree with you here and until the evidence proves otherwise, everything that was going on that house, painting, redecorating, getting new furniture and/or mattresses could be viewed as typical for a family who have just moved to a new home. They hadn't even finished painting or likely unpacking before the ransom note/fire escapade was put in to place.

For me, a lot of it rests on that mattress. They must have at least preliminary results back from that. Which might be the catalyst that sent them back to tear up the house looking for more evidence although I would have thought it would have been sooner if that were the case. It appears to be more like something to do with the prosthetic leg that sent them back there. LE seem to know for certainty when that mattress was replaced. They are saying early October but they must have a definitive date from witnesses. They also knew where it was dumped and where to look to find it. And if that mattress has proven that Zahra was deceased prior to October 7-8th, I really don't understand why AB hasn't been charged at least with filing a false missing person's report and perhaps some obstruction of justice. He clearly stated in media interviews that he saw her alive and up and out of bed on the 7th. If LE can prove at this point that it just wasn't possible, could he be charged the same as EB at this point?

MOO

 

[NoeticSoul]

Someone may have already said this (I haven't yet read through the thread), but I am so annoyed that the headline refers to EB as Zahra's "MOTHER". :furious::banghead::sick:

Yes that IS very irritating to say the least. I actually emailed them about that.. so far no reply.

 

[DLT88]

Well she DID say in her first letter that 'nothing has worked out the way it was SUPPOSED to'!
I wonder what plan A was??

I thought that was very revealing, too!!!!

 

[Patty G]

This was questioned when AB was quoted (after this) saying that he had not spoken with EB since she was arrested. Various theories included the idea that perhaps he had gone to the jail but did not see her because she refused, wasn't allowed visitors at that point, or some other reason.

Please post the link to the article or video dated after October 18th where Adam stated he had not spoken to EB since she was arrested.

 

[Etilema]

"The woman said that Elisa Baker "cared for that little girl deeply" and had taken a polygraph."

I think it is an understatement to say that EB's behavior, both before and after Zahra's disappearance, has not been congruent with caring even moderately for "that little girl" (shades of Casey Anthony there).

"...she cried over missing Zahra and how her husband has left her to take all the blame for what has happened when he played a big part in this terrible situation"

Two things jump out at me.

1) She cried over missing Zahra AND how her husband has left her to take the blame? It bothers me how these two are put together into one sentence--that her crying covered both things. I wonder what percentage of tears were allocated to each issue?

2) The wording "her husband has left her to take all the blame for what has happened when he played a big part in this terrible situation" so very obviously implies that they were BOTH involved, and she expected that they would BOTH take the blame. On top of that, AB is assigned only "a big part", not even MOST, of the responsibility.

Oh, it's just so disgusting.

JMO
MOO

 

[DLT88]

IA. I almost could feel sorry for her, that she feels the need to connect w/ relatives she has'nt talked to in awhile to try and find some sort of support. But it's just a pathetic attempt to get differing stories out there about what her involvement in Z's murder.

Aha! I think you are right. That explains this boo-hoo I-miss-Zahra e-mail to the cousin. She is manipulating her words in order to gain family support!

Because in the letter to 'Damien', she didn't show one shred of caring about anyone else (much less Zahra); but the letter to the cousin is totally different. Everything she does is just to manipulate people to get what she needs from them.

 

[panthera]

"The woman said that Elisa Baker "cared for that little girl deeply" and had taken a polygraph."

I think it is an understatement to say that EB's behavior, both before and after Zahra's disappearance, has not been congruent with caring even moderately for "that little girl" (shades of Casey Anthony there).

"...she cried over missing Zahra and how her husband has left her to take all the blame for what has happened when he played a big part in this terrible situation"

Two things jump out at me.

1) She cried over missing Zahra AND how her husband has left her to take the blame? It bothers me how these two are put together into one sentence--that her crying covered both things. I wonder what percentage of tears were allocated to each issue?

2) The wording "her husband has left her to take all the blame for what has happened when he played a big part in this terrible situation" so very obviously implies that they were BOTH involved, and she expected that they would BOTH take the blame. On top of that, AB is assigned only "a big part", not even MOST, of the responsibility.

Oh, it's just so disgusting.

JMO
MOO

"That little girl" sticks out to me also. Her name was Zahra. I agree there isn't any evidence so far of caring for her beyond getting the hearing aids, which was not an option if the school had arranged it. If she believes she's wrongly "taking all the blame" then why not tell LE just what happened, exactly what AB did and where Zahra is? :banghead: MOO

 

[Etilema]

Please post the link to the article or video dated after October 18th where Adam stated he had not spoken to EB since she was arrested.

There appeared to be a discrepancy. We have this quote from an article dated 10/21:

After the hearing [October 20], Adam Baker was at the family's Hickory house removing belongings. He told the Observer he hasn't spoken with his wife since she was arrested last week.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...calls-give-parents-version.html#ixzz14cse3Gk4

Which seems to contradict the report in the quote from the article dated PRIOR to that (written 10/18, updated morning of 10/20):

While Elisa Baker awaits her court appearance for obstructing justice, jail records show she has had three visitors, including a daughter, a man who appears to be a son-in-law and Adam Baker.
http://www.wcnc.com/home/Investigat...s-in-Zahra-Baker-disappearance-105200489.html

In other words, the "jail records" showed him as a visitor BEFORE he stated that he had not spoken with her since her arrest.

So, either he was lying or the jail records do not mean that he actually spoke with her when he signed in for that visit.

 

[tehcloser]

Thats what I like so much about WS is everyone has thier own opinion and is free to state it. I dont think im digging to come up with things to prove him innocent myself. If I truely thought he was guilty Id say so. Also if evidence changes to the point to put a doubt in my mind I will be the first to say so. As for the clean up and new mattress I can easily see how he wasnt aware there either. I buy new furniture and things for my house without talking it over with my husband. He usually gets the raw end of the deal in having to help move out the old to add the new. I have also had friends help me move out the old and my husband has come home from work after the fact. I also think with them just moving in and knowing thier money situation its not out of the realm to have a landlord say Ill waive the deposit if you clean and paint. If this was the case it wouldnt seem out of place to AB for her to be doing these things. JMHO

BBM

Deleted because today teh is having trouble getting thoughts through to fingers without sounding crotchety. lol.