Ebola outbreak - general thread #1

[SweetT]

Anything you touch may be infected. Are you no longer going to buy food and necessities?

Good hand washing is the number one prevention of infection.

The kids all have antibacterial hand wash but I don't know if that's going to be enough.. And I've told them about washing hands often.

 

[Isabelle]

Is it not possible to show just a touch of compassion for this man who cared enough to carry an infected and dying pregnant woman to a site for care? That was not a selfish act, it was humane!

 

[Isabelle]

The kids all have antibacterial hand wash but I don't know if that's going to be enough.. And I've told them about washing hands often.

Hands need to be washed with soap and water after three uses of antibacterial hand gel.

 

[Gardenlady]

They're out of zmapp so I'd like to know what they are treating them with also..
My kids are there in Dallas their dad's in hospice and yea I'm worried.. They have to go out to get food etc.. So I guess I'm more stressed about this than I should be but honestly it's a big deal.
Sorry if I've offended you in any way I'm having trouble coping right now.

Oh you have definitely not offended me. I just hate to see people panic. Maybe because I have panic disorder lol. I hate to see anyone ELSE panic when there's no reason to.

I would also be worried if my kids were in an area where it was found! When SARS was being treated around the corner from us in Seattle I had masks at the ready in case a full blown outbreak happened lol.

But if you can keep in mind that a very populous country (Nigeria) that has a decent medical establishment has been able to contain an outbreak due to another infected person flying in, then hopefully it will ease your mind a bit. because despite the blunder of letting this guy go at irst in Dallas, I have confidence that we are at LEAST as well funded and staffed here as the medical establishment in Nigeria.

Also - take it as a good sign that the number of contacts has risen from 18 to possibly 80. That means they are not taking any chances, and they are including people who had even just minimal contact with the patient. That's a good thing.

I am sorry about your kids' dad. I hope they are able to keep their worry about the health situation to a minimum and focus on their time with their dad. <3


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[Irisha]

I think if he did what you are describing, sneaked into the U.S. for treatment, I would expect the majority of US citizens to do the same if in his shoes. This hysteria is just ridiculous!

I DO NOT suffer from hysteria, nor from what I can tell is anyone else posting here. So knock it off, please. I would never ever put anyone at risk of a horrible disease like Ebola, which the death is horrific. Anyone who would go to another country after KNOWENLY being exposed to Ebola, is a selfish, shameful man, who doesn't care who he infects as long as he gets medical care.

 

[ClaireNC]

He's lives in the middle of a major Ebola outbreak. Was around 2 relatives? who died from it, and he thinks " Oh I'll go visit my sissy in the good ole USA" He knew exactly what he was doing comming here. If he does recover he needs to be arrested. He knew he was putting anyone he came into contact with at risk. Selfish,shameful person.

I agree with you, extremely selfish individual. I read several articles last night and didn't save the links but here are some of the things that have been reported in the media that makes me believe that he purposely came to the US to get treated because he knew he was exposed to the virus.
-He suddenly left work in the beginning of September with no notice to his boss. I suspect that is when a close friend or family member first started showing signs of the disease. Or when the disease started to spread among people close to him. I think that is when he started planning his escape to the US.
-With the plan to leave the country already in place, he helped carry a pregnant woman, sick with Ebola, from the hospital where she was not admitted because there were no beds. She later died. Some reports say it was a relative, others say it was her landlord's daughter.
-A few days after knowing that he was dangerously exposed to the virus, he gets on a plane and heads to the US. He knew that he had to get out of there before the symptoms started showing.
-There are lies or misinformation about who he was staying with in the US. Some places say it was family while other sources report it is his girlfriend. Also many of the sources say this is his first time in the US, while a neighbor from the apartment complex said that he visits often and is know to the neighbors. That just says to me that there are lies and misinformation being fed to the media to coverup something, like maybe the fact that his girlfriend and family members know that he planned to get to the US for treatment once he knew he was exposed. (ETA: CNN is now reporting that the girlfriend is a long term relationship and one of the children being quarantined is his biological child.)

Just all IMO and all that.

 

[Irisha]

Is it not possible to show just a touch of compassion for this man who cared enough to carry an infected and dying pregnant woman to a site for care? That was not a selfish act, it was humane!

Then he brought his infected body to the US. Did he have compassion for his family here that he may infect, or the citizens of the US. If he survives, he needs to be arrested. Better yet, put him in a isolation unit on plane back home.

 

[smeck]

I hope it never happens but I can imagine that terrorists could use the Ebola virus to bring down the US. If a person is willing to strap on a bomb to themselves or go down in a plane bombing, I can see them purposely contracting Ebola and then heading to the US. Not saying that the man in Dallas did this on purpose.

 

[SweetT]

Normally I would say this ebola patient would have had to plan way in advance for a visa but with the new protocol in place to expedite visas from infected areas it's very possible he did come here with the intent to treat for it in the USA

 

[effervescent]

Now we are getting to the point of wanting people arrested for being sick? Really? What about people who send their kids to school when they are sick, or not vaccinated, or who go to work themselves when they have the flu - should they be arrested too? After all, they are knowingly putting others at risk for something that could potentially be fatal.

Personally, I think some people are loving the drama of all of this.

 

[smeck]

Are you comparing the flu to Ebola?

 

[popsicle]

Mm

We would need to know when he became symptomatic. I really don't think this man snuck into the US to get treatment. I think I read symptoms start and rapidly progress to debilitating the patient others may needlessly die because the hospital sent him back home with antibiotics which are completely ineffective in treating viruses.

I posted a link yesterday. He started getting sick with symptoms on Wednesday 9/24 and sought medical tx on Friday 9/26. He waited 2 whole days, knowing he most likely had ebola!

 

[SeekingJana]

People are finally saying what I've thought all along.He KNEW what he was doing, and he chose to come here, to " visit" the USA and to possibly infect children and relatives in TX.
I wish he had died the day he arrived in the USA. Then no nurses or hospital personnel would have had to touch him, and likely most of those school children would not have been exposed to Ebola either.

 

[sherbetjello]

So you're saying that the US cannot do as well a job of containing this as Nigeria has, then?


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It's never happened here, so it's silly to assume they can (one or two treated patients does not a containment make). If they can contain it, why hasn't it happened in West Africa? Wouldn't it be good to stomp it out where it began before allowing it to cross the globe?

The basics are this, there are not a lot of hospitals ready to hold and contain 100+ potential ebola patients. It's hard to even do in Nigeria. Given that many Americans believe "this won't ever come to America" (tons of articles to google with that headline), it's here. And instead of containing them in centers like they do in West Africa, we are allowing them to go home and monitor themselves. *head scratch.

People in Liberia are DYING to get into these centers, quite literally, we just allow the folks that could be infected to go home and, well, behave. Please don't leave. Please don't get food, see a family member, etc. etc. Quite literally herding cats with this scenario (I should say, I don't believe they are all infected, but what if?)

I think the most distressing information from the news today is the woman responsible of the care to Duncan in the days leading up to and out of the hospital says she still has the sheets, towels and linens given to him for his care. She says she has no idea what to do with them and CDC hasn't come to her home although they said they would come every day.

That doesn't even concern you?

What does she plan to do with the linens? Throw them away? Just into a trash heap?

BTW, in West Africa they use a "scorched Earth" policy to burn all contaminated objects. This goes right back to what I said earlier . . . are we as a country really prepared to handle everything associated with the care, treatment and containment of this virus?

I can still say right now, I don't. I really, really don't. I hope I am wrong, because I will totally be okay with being wrong here! I damn near welcome it!

 

[trigger]

Breitbart is a conservative blog.

And from wikipedia:

"The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a nonpartisan,[1] politically conservative[2] non-profit research organization that advocates immigration reduction in the United States."

Both these sources have an agenda. I understand that a lot of people in this thread don't want to trust "MSM" because it is "controlled" and whatever, but getting your info from sources with built-in confirmation bias doesn't help that much if you really want to know what's going on.

Wow take this to downstairs in political forum...

 

[Lyra500]

All burned out now huh?

This link is about the outbreak of Ebola in Sierra Leone.

No one anywhere has suggested that Ebola is burned out in Sierra Leone. No one.

What they have said is that the outbreaks in Senegal and Nigeria appear to be over.

Since those two outbreaks started in the same way as the one in the US at present, it does not seem unreasonable to suggest that the US could control the outbreak in the same way, by using effective contact tracing and isolation.

 

[SweetT]

I read the other day that there are only four hospitals in the USA set up for this kind of treatment . One in Omaha NE one in Missoula MT Atlanta GA and Bethesda MD iirc

 

[SweetT]

This link is about the outbreak of Ebola in Sierra Leone.

No one anywhere has suggested that Ebola is burned out in Sierra Leone. No one.

What they have said is that the outbreaks in Senegal and Nigeria appear to be over.

Since those two outbreaks started in the same way as the one in the US at present, it does not seem unreasonable to suggest that the US could control the outbreak in the same way, by using effective contact tracing and isolation.

I recall that someone had stated or wrote that the virus had mutated whereas previously people died within just a few days of contracting the illness.. Now we have a 21 day window. So it would ravage a village and then burn out not so anymore..

 

[popsicle]

Shimon Prokupecz @ShimonPro · 17m17 minutes ago

@CNNJustin: EXCLUSIVE: Quarantined woman tells @andersoncooper: Used sheets still on the bed in apartment Ebola patient was staying at.


Shimon Prokupecz @ShimonPro · 18m18 minutes ago
Towels that #Ebola patient used to clean up sweat still inside Dallas apt where woman is quarantined, family member tells @andersoncooper

Shimon Prokupecz &#8207;@ShimonPro 4m4 minutes ago
Mayor of Dallas in reaction to @andersoncooper interview with quarantined woman says they're working to remove items from her apt. #Ebola


Shimon Prokupecz @ShimonPro · 5m5 minutes ago

Dallas Mayor to @CNNAshleigh woman quarantined inside apt has "clear marching orders" a resource has been identified to remove items #Ebola


Shimon Prokupecz @ShimonPro · 3m3 minutes ago

Brother of #Ebola patient told reporters in a conference call that he doesn't believe Duncan knew he had Ebola when he left Liberia.


Shimon Prokupecz @ShimonPro · 5m5 minutes ago

@andersoncooper spoke with woman quarantined after her contact with #Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan. Watch: http://cnn.it/1x36f5k

 

[SCHMAE]

I think the best thing everyone can do is stay calm and realize the odds %% of you catching it are super , super SMALL . Be diligent with normal everyday prevention. If we all washed our hands like we should , the flu would not spread every winter, but clearly we do NOT all wash our hands like we should. Eat healthy foods and keep yourself healthy and hopefully your own immune system will protect you . Common sense beats pandemonium every day.

Quickie Poll : Who here bought duct tape during the anthrax situation? ( not me )

ETA It's not a bacteria, its' a virus, correct? So anti bacterial hand sanitizers are pointless.