Ebola outbreak - general thread #2

[SCHMAE]

The Williams family denied it to everyone- the taxi driver, to Duncan, and all the neighbors. The neighbors are pissed that the family didn't warn them.


An angry group gathered on a hill above the family's house, shouting angrily that Amie and Emmanuel Williams must have known that their daughter had Ebola.
One woman screamed that her children had played with the Williams children. Another shouted that one of the Williams women had plaited her hair. Others were furious that they had gone into the Williamses' house after Marthalene's death to view her body. Bodies of Ebola victims are even more contagious than living patients.<snip> "Her parents said she never died of Ebola, so everyone in the community went to sympathize," said a furious Martu Weeforo, 37, one of the neighbors on the hill. "Plenty of people came in the yard." http://www.dailypress.com/health/la-fg-ebola-liberia-20141003,0,3662970.story?page=2

In other words, that neighborhood will likely have a spike in ebola any day now.
How many people will PRIDE, the deadly sin, kill because people don't want to be labeled as having ebola?

 

[SweetT]

Do you have a link to a reputable source which shows that Ebola is airborne in humans?

One was the tests they did on animals across the room from each other.. The only thing they shared was the same air.. Which would be the same for humans.. Or the man who got it at the lab who wore biohazard suit etc.. I've seen and read enough to believe it's very contagious and we know it is carried via aerosol spray as in sneezing puking.. All airlines just recirculate the same air..

 

[cady]

Hope that no one here has to fly for a while, because if someone barfs on your plane, you will miss your connection. OUCH! JMO

 

[Lyra500]

This article: http://www.dailypress.com/health/la-fg-ebola-liberia-20141003,0,3662970.story?page=2 says that Marthalene Williams may have vomited on Duncan. These people are in full denial or ignorance!!! They either don't understand the disease or don't want the stigma, but they are being incredibly selfish and stupid, and it's costing people's lives. GRRRR!

But you yourself quoted from a link up thread where the family were told by the clinic that Marthalene had malaria - why would they ignore what they had been told by the medics at the clinic and start making their own diagnoses. Just because we all have access to the internet and 24 hour news does not mean that they did.

 

[popsicle]

Friend of Texas Ebola patient who visited him in hospital has been told he can return to work as nursing assistant... but his family must remain in quarantine


Last night, though visibly relieved at the news he had received from CDC and State Health officials Mr Yah said that he did not intend to return to work for several days at least.

He said, &#8216;I am glad but right now I want to be here for my family. I need to look after them. Money is not easy but sometimes things are more important than money.

&#8216;Family is more important.&#8217;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rsing-assistant-family-remain-quarantine.html

 

[Lyra500]

Why did he sleep in all beds? It's just so bizarre.

I just wonder whether they wanted some new beds - you know the way people embellish how many items have been stolen when filling in their insurance claims.......

Just a thought

 

[Detective Klimpt]

The Williams family denied it to everyone- the taxi driver, to Duncan, and all the neighbors. ?The neighbors are pissed that the family didn't warn them.

Still, within the links you provide, it says:

"From the clinic, where she was given an intravenous drip but deteriorated sharply, they were sent to an Ebola treatment unit and then another, at a time when there were no Ebola beds available in the city.

All I'm saying is that it seems like the hospitals suspected Ebola. Can't speak for the parents, neighbors, and the rest of them. For all of us, it's common sense to suspect Ebola. People from other cultures apparently think differently. I wonder how this young woman contacted it.

 

[WillenFan21]

OMFG!!! Has this been posted yet? A man on a United Airlines flight came from Liberia into Newark NJ was vomiting on plane and showing symptoms of Ebola. CDC rushed to the airport in hazmat gear.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-flying-Brussels-showed-symptoms-Ebola.html

 

[SweetT]

OMFG!!! Has this been posted yet? A man on a United Airlines flight came from Liberia into Newark NJ was vomiting on plane and showing symptoms of Ebola. CDC rushed to the airport in hazmat gear.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-flying-Brussels-showed-symptoms-Ebola.html

Yea it's been posted and discussed

 

[WillenFan21]

Yea it's been posted and discussed

Oh good! I'm on my way home so haven't been following the thread closely.

 

[SweetT]

Oh good! I'm on my way home so haven't been following the thread closely.

From what I gather they're all released to go on their way including suspected ebola guy

 

[WillenFan21]

Wow!! Wtf

 

[SweetT]

Wow!! Wtf

Yea the quickest ebola check ever

 

[WillenFan21]

SMH. This is going to get out of control.

 

[SeekingJana]

Doesn't matter they're all walking time bombs now they all breathed the same air etc

Ebola is not an air-borne disease. Unless another passenger had mucous membrane ( eyes or mouth) contact with the vomit then no one else on the plane was exposed. ( even if the vomiting person had Ebola, despite the negative status the media reported on his negative status shortly afterwards).

 

[SCHMAE]

Friend of Texas Ebola patient who visited him in hospital has been told he can return to work as nursing assistant... but his family must remain in quarantine


Last night, though visibly relieved at the news he had received from CDC and State Health officials Mr Yah said that he did not intend to return to work for several days at least.

He said, ‘I am glad but right now I want to be here for my family. I need to look after them. Money is not easy but sometimes things are more important than money.

‘Family is more important.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rsing-assistant-family-remain-quarantine.html

Why not 21 days of monitoring? He visited him in hospital ..... WHILE contagious, correct? I cannot make sense of that . If his family is still quarantined but he is not, what is the difference?

 

[LinasK]

SMH. This is going to get out of control.

Yup! Another sick Liberian boards a plane for the U.S. Probably heard that Duncan got hospitalized here for Ebola. The word is out. We need to close our borders.

 

[SweetT]

Why not 21 days of monitoring? He visited him in hospital ..... WHILE contagious, correct? I cannot make sense of that . If his family is still quarantined but he is not, what is the difference?

All good questions but don't fear it's all under control I'm sure.

 

[Lyra500]

Yes, but, while many news reports vary, all that I've read say that she was turned away from hospitals because they had no room in the EBOLA ward. Either the hospital assumed she had ebola or her family told them.

There is so much ignorance and misunderstanding going around that it would not surprise me if the press have mixed things up anyway.

My understanding was that pregnant women were suffering greatly since about the ONLY medical care available now is for trying to deal with Ebola in those areas where the outbreak is raging because they are totally overwhelmed. So basically every ward is an Ebola ward and women who need emergency obstetric care are being turned away and dying. In some cases, the medical staff who would have treated them have died and the few maternity staff remaining are too scared to deal with patients.

So I would take that description of an Ebola 'ward' with a pinch of salt. I think she went to the hospital as advised by her local clinic having been told she had malaria and they simply did not have capacity to help her and sent her away.

This article is a few weeks old now, but one can only think that things will be even worse now than they were when it was written:

http://www.unfpa.org/public/cache/offonce/home/news/pid/18139

Health centres around the country have run out of obstetric gloves and personal protection equipment needed to prevent contamination.

Lack of these essential supplies, illness among health-care providers, and fear of infection among staff have all contributed to the widespread closure of health facilities, especially in Ebola-affected areas.

The crisis has also diverted critical resources away from pregnant women, who already faced limited access to adequate health care. For example, in Bong, one of the most populous counties, the ambulance used for obstetric emergencies is now being used for the Ebola response. And the surgical and emergency departments at JFK Hospital, one of the country’s major referral hospitals, are closed.

“As a result of the outbreak, there has been an increase in pregnant women dying from preventable causes, including ante-partum and post-partum haemorrhage, ruptured uterus, as well as hypertensive disease,” said Dr. Mulbah.

Here is another article:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jinamoore/how-ebola-can-kill-you-even-when-you-dont-have-ebola#4icw4kq

How Ebola Can Kill You — Even When You Don’t Have Ebola

Fofana is not the only mother-to-be lost to the Ebola panic that has gripped Liberia. On Wednesday, a pregnant woman near the capital, Monrovia, died of labor complications because she couldn’t find a clinic to treat her. Last week, a woman died of a miscarriage for the same reason.

The story repeats as families tell of loved ones dying of malaria, diabetes, or diseases they know only by the symptoms doctors used to treat — a swollen foot, a shaking disorder

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So if it is true that Marthalene's family were told she had malaria, then it is still perfectly credible that she was taken to hospital and turned away - and if she was turned away then at no point will she or her family have been given a diagnosis of Ebola before she died.

 

[Lyra500]

One was the tests they did on animals across the room from each other.. The only thing they shared was the same air.. Which would be the same for humans.. Or the man who got it at the lab who wore biohazard suit etc.. I've seen and read enough to believe it's very contagious and we know it is carried via aerosol spray as in sneezing puking.. All airlines just recirculate the same air..

I was asking about humans not animals. There is a post in this thread explaining that whilst Ebola Reston appeared to have become airborne and spread between monkeys , Ebola Zaire has not been shown to cause airborne transmission in humans.

You are right that there has also been apparent airborne transmission from pigs to monkeys. But even then, they are not absolutely about the route into the monkeys. Pigs mainly carry Ebola in their lungs and airways unlike humans and other primates. Let's hope things stay that way.

There was also another post quoting a medical expert in the field who said that at the moment the concentration of Ebola Zaire virus in saliva and sputum is way lower than in other body fluids which also makes airborne transmission unlikely.

So sneezing is unlikely to spread it in the same way as vomiting is - the liquid produced is completely different and comes from the stomach where concentrations of the virus can be very, very high.