Ebola outbreak - general thread #3

[jjenny]

WOW. No, they were not contagious. They were at great RISK for their lives. And anyone associated with them was at great RISK for their lives. Thankfully, some people were able to escape the ugly machine that threatened their lives. Lies to authorities, in many cases, SAVED their lives. Please do not misunderstand the point: sometimes LIES save lives. As I said, in a crisis, lies can save lives. Liberia is in crisis. JMO

I am sorry, but in case of Ebola, lying can kill lives.
Person infected with Ebola who gets into US, can spread it around and kill who knows how many people.
So suggesting that lying about exposure to Ebola is somehow good is absurd.

 

[LinasK]

I am sorry, but in case of Ebola, lying can kill lives.
Person infected with Ebola who gets into US, can spread it around and kill who knows how many people.
So suggesting that lying about exposure to Ebola is somehow good is absurd.

Excellent post!!!:clap::clap::clap::goodpost:

 

[FlamingoLady]

Originally Posted by Footwarrior View Post

It is clear that Americans are afraid of Ebola, but the only way to stop this is to quash the epidemic in West Africa. Who is willing to donate to organizations like Doctors Without Borders that are on the ground at the epicenter of this epidemic?

Wow! This thread is really something else.....One minute it reads like a novel or movie script that all of us are commenting on and then it veers into this!?! I'd say Americans are donating quite a bit to the epicenter of this epidemic with 3500 military men and women headed that way. And to tell you the truth, I have no idea what they are supposed to be doing to combat Ebola but I bet some of them will contract it! Let's see how humanitarian everyone feels then.

 

[HMSHood]

Ebola in pregnant woman is pretty much a death sentence. The baby invariably dies.

Interesting to note that Conarky and Freetown have not been hit hard like Monrovia.

 

[cady]

I am sorry, but in case of Ebola, lying can kill lives.
Person infected with Ebola who gets into US, can spread it around and kill who knows how many people.
So suggesting that lying about exposure to Ebola is somehow good is absurd.

Should the dying man Duncan be charged with attempted murder of an untold number of American citizens? What should he be charged with? What penalty? JMO

 

[DeDee]

Does Louise work? If she traveled over there and back, why? if he was coming back in a few weeks?
Yes, she probably could of convinced him to come, but if he has dual citizenship, his money he made would be tax free.
He lived very poorly for a man used to a better life here.
We need more info on why he came also.
Why did he quit his job?
Why did he carry a dying girl to 3 hospitals? knowing her parents had just died of Ebola?

You are asking the right questions. I composed the following timeline and became puzzled over the date when Duncan "walked away" from his job on 09/04 without explanation until eleven [11] days later when he assists his pregnant neighbor. What was Thomas Eric Duncan doing during those eleven days?


"Henry Brunson, the manager of SafeWay Cargo in Monrovia, a licensed agent of FedEx, said that Duncan knew he was infected with the virus, "having directly participated in efforts to help save the life of his landlord's daughter," one report said.

Brunson said Duncan was his personal chauffeur before he suddenly just "walked out" on Sept. 4. He never heard from him again until it was revealed that he was the first Ebola case to be diagnosed in the U.S."

http://www.Newsmax.com/Headline/Ebola-Texas-Liberia/2014/10/03/id/598474/#ixzz3FPZRIa1B

Sept 2 - Thomas Eric Duncan purchased round trip airline ticket paid for Silson Global Business Liberia Ltd an Authorized Service Contractor for UPS.

Sept 4 - Thomas Eric Duncan walked away from his job w/o notice [He prefers to go by the name Eric.]

Sept 15 - Duncan assists an Ebola-infected pregnant women seek medical attention in Liberia, but they are denied by three hospitals and a clinic in Monrovia.

Sept. 16 - Nathaline Williams, the 19-year-old daughter of Duncan's landlord, was seven months pregnant when she died of Ebola.

Sept. 19 - Duncan leaves Liberia for the U.S. [3 days after Williams' death].

Sept. 20 - Duncan lands in the U.S. after layovers in Brussels and Washington.

Sept. 24 - Duncan starts to show symptoms of the Ebola virus.

Sept. 26 - Duncan goes to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital for his symptoms but is sent home with antibiotics

Sept. 28 - Duncan returns to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, still unwell.

Sept. 29 - Duncan is isolated with possible Ebola.

Sept. 30 - Dr. Tom Frieden, U.S. Centers for Disease Control director, confirms Duncan tested positive for the disease.

Oct. 1 - Five children w/ a connection to Duncan are put into quarantine as officials try to contact with everyone with whom Duncan had come into contact, up to 100 people. His family will remain quarantined until Oct. 19.

Oct. 3 - Duncan's partner, Louis Troh, and her 13-year-old son and two nephews are moved to a private home in Dallas County

Oct. 5 - Duncan's health is listed as critical as officials say he has "taken a turn for the worse."


http://nydailynews.com/life-style/health/ebola-u-s-timeline-m-article-1.1964967

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Ebola-Texas-Liberia/2014/10/03/id/598474/


Duncan purchased the airline tickets via a travel agency paid by the Silson Global Business Liberia Ltd. which is a UPS company. However, he and his boss were affiliated with FedEx. Why would UPS pay for an airline ticket for a FedEx driver?

.

 

[LinasK]

Should the dying man Duncan be charged with attempted murder of an untold number of American citizens? What should he be charged with? What penalty? JMO

The prosecutor in Dallas is exploring charging him with aggravated assault, much like the people who knowingly spread AIDS by continuing to have unprotected sex with multiple partners, even though they'd been diagnosed with it.

Here's a local link: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews....exploring-charges-against-ebola-patient.html/

 

[FlamingoLady]

Should the dying man Duncan be charged with attempted murder of an untold number of American citizens? What should he be charged with? What penalty? JMO

http://article.wn.com/view/2014/10/02/Liberia_to_prosecute_US_Ebola_man/
Liberia plans to charge him with lying on the health questionnaire. Not that he'll be around to face the charges but it sounds like there are people out there who actually do consider it a crime to lie about these things.

 

[SStarr33]

Should the dying man Duncan be charged with attempted murder of an untold number of American citizens? What should he be charged with? What penalty? JMO

If someone dies, it should be first degree murder.

IMO.

 

[animlzrule]

This is an excellent report about the origins of the Ebola outbreak.

Hell in the Hot Zone

As the Ebola epidemic rages, two questions have emerged: How did the deadly virus escape detection for three months? And why has a massive international effort failed to contain it?

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2014/10/ebola-virus-epidemic-containment

 

[passionflower]

You are asking the right questions. I composed the following timeline and became puzzled over the date when Duncan "walked away" from his job on 09/04 without explanation until eleven [11] days later when he assists his pregnant neighbor. What was Thomas Eric Duncan doing during those eleven days?


"Henry Brunson, the manager of SafeWay Cargo in Monrovia, a licensed agent of FedEx, said that Duncan knew he was infected with the virus, "having directly participated in efforts to help save the life of his landlord's daughter," one report said.

Brunson said Duncan was his personal chauffeur before he suddenly just "walked out" on Sept. 4. He never heard from him again until it was revealed that he was the first Ebola case to be diagnosed in the U.S."

http://www.Newsmax.com/Headline/Ebola-Texas-Liberia/2014/10/03/id/598474/#ixzz3FPZRIa1B

Sept 2 - Thomas Eric Duncan purchased round trip airline ticket paid for Silson Global Business Liberia Ltd an Authorized Service Contractor for UPS.

Sept 4 - Thomas Eric Duncan walked away from his job w/o notice [He prefers to go by the name Eric.]

Sept 15 - Duncan assists an Ebola-infected pregnant women seek medical attention in Liberia, but they are denied by three hospitals and a clinic in Monrovia.

Sept. 16 - Nathaline Williams, the 19-year-old daughter of Duncan's landlord, was seven months pregnant when she died of Ebola.

Sept. 19 - Duncan leaves Liberia for the U.S. [3 days after Williams' death].

Sept. 20 - Duncan lands in the U.S. after layovers in Brussels and Washington.

Sept. 24 - Duncan starts to show symptoms of the Ebola virus.

Sept. 26 - Duncan goes to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital for his symptoms but is sent home with antibiotics

Sept. 28 - Duncan returns to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, still unwell.

Sept. 29 - Duncan is isolated with possible Ebola.

Sept. 30 - Dr. Tom Frieden, U.S. Centers for Disease Control director, confirms Duncan tested positive for the disease.

Oct. 1 - Five children w/ a connection to Duncan are put into quarantine as officials try to contact with everyone with whom Duncan had come into contact, up to 100 people. His family will remain quarantined until Oct. 19.

Oct. 3 - Duncan's partner, Louis Troh, and her 13-year-old son and two nephews are moved to a private home in Dallas County

Oct. 5 - Duncan's health is listed as critical as officials say he has "taken a turn for the worse."


http://nydailynews.com/life-style/health/ebola-u-s-timeline-m-article-1.1964967

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Ebola-Texas-Liberia/2014/10/03/id/598474/


Duncan purchased the airline tickets via a travel agency paid by the Silson Global Business Liberia Ltd. which is a UPS company. However, he and his boss were affiliated with FedEx. Why would UPS pay for an airline ticket for a FedEx driver?
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GREAT TIMELINE! Thanks
so he was planning on coming back to Liberia...................round trip ticket
YES why would UPS buy him a round trip ticket?
Was he hired by UPS and quit Fed EX?
After we get answers, we will have a better inside to why he came here and lied

 

[WichitaFalls]

The prosecutor in Dallas wants to charge him with assault, much like the people who knowingly spread AIDS by continuing to have unprotected sex with multiple partners, even though they'd been diagnosed with it. I don't have the article handy, but I'm sure it's still there on Google, it's very recent.

This statement is NOT factual, he does not want to charge him with assault, he and his office are simply looking into the matter. Please source if you have different information. I live in Dallas, 8 miles from the hospital and apartment. I hate seeing so much misinformation. Here's the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/us/ebola.html

“We are actively having discussions as to whether or not we need to look into this as it relates to a criminal matter,” Dallas County’s district attorney, Craig Watkins, said on “Lone Star Politics” on NBC 5 on Sunday. “We’re working with all the different agencies to get to the bottom of it.” His spokeswoman said prosecutors had previously filed aggravated assault charges against people who were H.I.V. positive and knowingly had unprotected sex with others; and it was possible the same charge may apply in Mr. Duncan’s case.

 

[lawstudent]

The hospitals are totally overwhelmed by the ebola patients and everything else suffers. The wards don't exist in vacuums - it's unlikely they are saying no to the crowd of ebola patients dying outside but welcoming in a pregnant woman in distress into a clean maternity ward. All the doctors who probably normally handle obstetrics are probably trying to deal with ebola and keep anyone uninfected away. Patients are probably not in normal wards for that condition. And hospitals there probably aren't as organized as here to begin with and have fewer doctors and resources. That's one of the big issues with an epidemic - if it's bad enough, everything else falls apart because the most urgent issue is the only one most people can deal with. People start reacting hysterically and things become more chaotic.

 

[SCHMAE]

Should the dying man Duncan be charged with attempted murder of an untold number of American citizens? What should he be charged with? What penalty? JMO

If he had a loaded bomb in his car and drove across a border and lied about it and it blew up and killed people, you can bet he would be charged with something.

ETA I understand this comparison is a little extreme and not exactly the same thing. Just food for thought. He knew the risk if he'd seen a woman die almost in his arms. He knew the danger much more than Americans did .

 

[SStarr33]

The hospitals are totally overwhelmed by the ebola patients and everything else suffers. The wards don't exist in vacuums - it's unlikely they are saying no to the crowd of ebola patients dying outside but welcoming in a pregnant woman in distress into a clean maternity ward. All the doctors who probably normally handle obstetrics are probably trying to deal with ebola and keep anyone uninfected away. Patients are probably not in normal wards for that condition. And hospitals there probably aren't as organized as here to begin with and have fewer doctors and resources. That's one of the big issues with an epidemic - if it's bad enough, everything else falls apart because the most urgent issue is the only one most people can deal with. People start reacting hysterically and things become more chaotic.

Ya think?? Back when this started, there were 50 docs for 4.5 million people.

That is not a typo.

 

[SStarr33]

GREAT TIMELINE! Thanks
so he was planning on coming back to Liberia...................round trip ticket
YES why would UPS buy him a round trip ticket?
Was he hired by UPS and quit Fed EX?
After we get answers, we will have a better inside to why he came here and lied

Why would he go back?

 

[Oceans]

It's possible that he had obtained a fiance Visa, but I just don't know. Another way to look at it is that the round trip ticket would cost twice as much, $2600+. I have no idea which type he had.

To obtain a Fiance Visa is very time-consuming, costly and includes LOTS of paperwork. It also requires a thorough health check through a US approved physician, being thoroughly checked shortly before entering the US, making sure the person has no contagious decease, blood tests are required, being tested for AIDS, TBC etc. It also requires proof of certain vaccines (hepatitis etc.).

 

[LinasK]

Why would he go back?

He wouldn't. He has no reason to. No Job. Neighbors are dead/dying. His siblings and son are here in US. Fiance in US. Better Ebola treatment in the US.

 

[SweetT]

GREAT TIMELINE! Thanks
so he was planning on coming back to Liberia...................round trip ticket
YES why would UPS buy him a round trip ticket?
Was he hired by UPS and quit Fed EX?
After we get answers, we will have a better inside to why he came here and lied

My experience with immigrants is that they have to buy a round trip ticket to show they have intent to come back

 

[LadyL]

I think it's blatantly obvious that he not only suspected but hopped a plane a.s.a.p. hoping to take advantage of medical services in the U.S. Right or wrong, I think a lot more people than not would do the same thing.