Ebola outbreak - general thread #3

[Redux]

Yeah, but knowing he'd directly handled a dying woman from an area ravaged by Ebola, he could've self-quarantined there and delayed his flight by 3 weeks. Think of all the fewer people he would've risked infecting.

That doesn't the answer the question. I see it posited that Duncan knew he was exposed and even possibly knew he was symptomatic and that he came here just to get into a hospital. You said that yourself. So how does that work when the ticket was purchased 13 days before he was even exposed to it?

 

[Hiandmighty]

He could have made the deliberate decision to not cancel the ticket and not quarantine himself in Liberia and to go to the US for treatment even though he knew he had been exposed to Ebola.

He witnessed firsthand that Liberian ebola hospitals are full and that they people there with Ebola die.

 

[SStarr33]

Can't link to redit, but their ebola page has lots of info i have not seen here

 

[passionflower]

It doesn't matter IMO when and why he came here.............HE LIED on the form, HE LIED at the hospital and would never of gone to hospital if it wasn't for the lady who called for ambulance. IMOO

 

[FlamingoLady]

That doesn't the answer the question. I see it posited that Duncan knew he was exposed and even possibly knew he was symptomatic and that he came here just to get into a hospital. You said that yourself. So how does that work when the ticket was purchased 13 days before he was even exposed to it?

I understand what you are saying. I did not realize the ticket was purchased 13 days prior to him being exposed. So, now it begs the question...If he knew he was exposed to an Ebola patient, why did he continue his plans to board a plane to the US? I guess self quarantine for 3 weeks would not necessarily be everyone's first choice.

 

[WichitaFalls]

Not to mention the time to get a Visa. Duncan had hoped to be in the states by June for a family member's graduation but his Visa did not arrive in time. This trip had been planned for months, not as a knee jerk reaction spun out of a sudden fear of having Ebola.

 

[LinasK]

That doesn't the answer the question. I see it posited that Duncan knew he was exposed and even possibly knew he was symptomatic and that he came here just to get into a hospital. You said that yourself. So how does that work when the ticket was purchased 13 days before he was even exposed to it?

Regardless of the intent 13 days beforehand- the minute Marthalene died, he should've changed his plans. Instead he hops a plane, knowing he can get treated in the US (his goals change priority) and lies twice- at the airport when asked directly if he'd had contact with a sick person in the last 21 days, and again by omission at the hospital the first time. When I boarded a cruise ship last summer, we all had to verify we had no contact with sick people prior to boarding the ship. That was at least 3,000 people who had to do that!!!

 

[SStarr33]

FYI, reddit has a map of her vacation travels. I think it is an ok link from news in spain:

http://imgur.com/3dnHykB

 

[SCHMAE]

*****Opinion only****** ***No Link*****
IMO, it is clear he got on a plane to the US for the medical care. It indisputable he would have a better chance of survival here. Unfortunately he endangered others when he made that choice. IIRC, the girlfriend and her kids were told to remain in the apartment on quarantine but they chose to ignore those instructions, thus possibly endangering others. I don't know if it's a cultural thing or what, but none of the players here seem to take the possibility of infecting others very seriously. This does not sit well with me, or many other people, I'd venture to guess.

Edited to add: I wonder how he felt when he went to the hospital initially and they sent him home. That would cause me to think, hey maybe I DON'T have Ebola......

Wow, you may absolutely be on to something. Maybe after that , he thought it's just a bug and it will pass. The hospital said so,, thus the visitors and laying around on every mattress.

 

[Oceans]

Yeah, I doubt he applied for the Fiance-Visa because he'd have to get blood-tested, and would have been denied when he did test positive for the symptoms, so he probably got the easier Visa, then figured he'd marry her here. Does she have American citizenship, anybody know???

If he had an American citizenship, he would not have needed any visa.

If he got here on a tourist visa and would have married his girlfriend here, it's still illegal and he could have faced jail time.

 

[SStarr33]

*****Opinion only****** ***No Link*****
IMO, it is clear he got on a plane to the US for the medical care. It indisputable he would have a better chance of survival here. Unfortunately he endangered others when he made that choice. IIRC, the girlfriend and her kids were told to remain in the apartment on quarantine but they chose to ignore those instructions, thus possibly endangering others. I don't know if it's a cultural thing or what, but none of the players here seem to take the possibility of infecting others very seriously. This does not sit well with me, or many other people, I'd venture to guess.

Edited to add: I wonder how he felt when he went to the hospital initially and they sent him home. That would cause me to think, hey maybe I DON'T have Ebola......

I could go along with that, except he lied to the hospital people so his dx was based on garbage in garbage out.

 

[Redux]

It doesn't matter IMO when and why he came here.............HE LIED on the form, HE LIED at the hospital and would never of gone to hospital if it wasn't for the lady who called for ambulance. IMOO

Respectfully, I disagree. The truth, be it one way or the other, does matter. He lied about not having contact with a sick person before boarding the plane and that was wrong. But there is a big difference between lying because he didn't think he was sick and he just wanted to cut corners to get here to see his fiance or lying because he knew he was sick and he didn't care who he infected because he wanted to get here for treatment no matter what and to he** with anyone he infected along the way.

Knowing the difference would help to know his intent, if there was any.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Oh lord! She really got around!

 

[LinasK]

Epidemiologist: Stop the flights now

Infected men and women may not be contagious on the plane, but they could wreak havoc when they arrive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/10/06/epidemiologist-stop-the-flights-now/

I completely agree with this article, this is exactly what I have been saying all along!

 

[Redux]

** double post **

 

[FlamingoLady]

I could go along with that, except he lied to the hospital people so his dx was based on garbage in garbage out.

Ok, this is a huge point, IMO. I thought he told the nurse (the first time) that he had just come from Liberia but that info did not get passed on to the Dr?

 

[LinasK]

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Wow, you may absolutely be on to something. Maybe after that , he thought it's just a bug and it will pass. The hospital said so,, thus the visitors and laying around on every mattress.

But even if you have the flu, you know you are contagious- though not nearly as severely deadly as Ebola, you still wouldn't go around lying on every mattress in the house! This makes zero sense unless you want to infect as many people as possible.

 

[SStarr33]

Ok, this is a huge point, IMO. I thought he told the nurse (the first time) that he had just come from Liberia but that info did not get passed on to the Dr?

Yes to the Liberia part, no when he was asked if he had recently been around anyone with any illness.

 

[passionflower]

Has there been any updates on the conditions of any of the ebola patients? I haven't had the news on tonight.

 

[SStarr33]

I'm assuming this is Michael Lively:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/10/06/72174.htm