Ebola outbreak - general thread #3

[SCHMAE]

Okay so has this new patient actually tested POSITIVE for Ebola? And if so was he on the same aircraft? Something seems odd here. This white guy was recently in West Africa and he also met Duncan and well...hmmmm.

I am not aware of a test yet . From what I gather, patient is ill and says they were in africa and/ or had contact with Duncan.

 

[FlamingoLady]

Eric Umansky ‏@ericuman 20m20 minutes ago
"I think I have Ebola," she told everyone RT @sarahkliff: How Spain handled Ebola, in one terrifying paragraph
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This is.....astounding.:gaah:

 

[SallyLu]

Can someone help me with the math because I'm missing something. If Duncan was infectious first on the 24th and was quarantined on the 28th, wouldn't that 10 - 14 days right now? Or am I calculating wrong?

ETA: And incubation is up to 21 days, isn't?

I started my math from the day the ambulance came to pick Mr Duncan up when he was showing full blown signs that he had Ebola, making today the tenth day.

 

[murphy3k]

Linus. Yes. It doesn't seem ad if this person was being watched by CDC or even known to them as a possible contact. Given what I've heard...as this person was not quarantine d it most likely is not one of those who are considered family.

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Hc

Respectfully, I don't think anyone knows who the patient is at this point. All of the MSM tweets that have been linked thus far state it is a male patient who had contact with Duncan and who checked 'yes' to one of the screening questions regarding travel to West Africa. MOO.

 

[SCHMAE]

Eric Umansky ‏@ericuman 20m20 minutes ago
"I think I have Ebola," she told everyone RT @sarahkliff: How Spain handled Ebola, in one terrifying paragraph
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Not to make light of the situation at all but this makes Dallas look not so incompetent.

ETA Also she was still working in a hospital for all those days while sick ie: SYMPTOMATIC ? Wow, grab your butt over there.

 

[SwampMama]

http://www.wtop.com/267/3717858/Questions-and-answers-on-dogs-and-Ebola-risks

" Q: Can dogs get Ebola?

A: At least one major study suggests they can, without showing symptoms. Researchers tested dogs during the 2001-02 Ebola outbreak in Gabon after seeing some of them eating infected dead animals. Of the 337 dogs from various towns and villages, 9 to 25 percent showed antibodies to Ebola, a sign they were infected or exposed to the virus.

Q: What's the risk to people?

A: No one really knows. Lab experiments on other animals suggest their urine, saliva or stool might contain the virus. That means that in theory, people might catch it through an infected dog licking or biting them, or from grooming."

The CDC says, "Only mammals (for example, humans, bats, monkeys and apes) have shown the ability to spread and become infected with Ebola virus."

Dogs ARE mammals. We have no reason to believe that dogs would be immune from getting the virus in their blood and passing it on thru feces, licking a human with an open cut or who rubs their eyes afterwards. Considering what a horrific death Ebola is and how hard it is to deal with, WHY would anyone want to even take that chance?

Sad that the dog had to be put to sleep but people's health comes before dogs, especially when it comes to something like Ebola. To those who would say "well they haven't proven that dogs can infect humans, there isnt one documented case of that"......Well, the way a person got Ebola is not always well documented. They are still trying to figure out how patient Zero got Ebola in one of the major outbreaks and that has been highly researched for years - they just don't know. It's just not something that we can take a chance with either.

Frankly i am still concerned about that apartment building where LT (fiance of Duncan) lived. Reviews of it from years past said it had horrible rodent and racoon problems. All it takes is one of those animals to have licked the blood, vomit, sweat of Duncan left in the apt and now the Ebola virus has a whole new wild host to live upon until it strikes again in the next target. We cannot afford to be lackadaisical about this. We are NOT ready for this as this ONE case has shown.

ETA http://www.livescience.com/44402-bat-soup-ebola-virus-outbreak.html
To combat the spread of this deadly disease, Guinean officials have taken the unusual step of banning the consumption of bat soup, grilled bat and other local delicacies.

"We discovered the vector [infectious] agent of the Ebola virus is the bat," Remy Lamah, the country’s health minister, told Bloomberg News. "We sent messages everywhere to announce the ban. People must even avoid consumption of rats and monkeys. They are very dangerous animals."


http://www.livescience.com/21954-ebola-virus-outbreak-information.html
Humans are not the natural hosts of the Ebola virus, and it's believed that the first person in any outbreak became infected through contact with an infected animal, the CDC says. Animals that are reported to have spread disease to humans include chimpanzees, gorillas, forest antelopes and cynomolgus monkeys, according to the World Health Organization.


Ok so now add antelopes and rats to the list. Sure we are not likely to eat rats but we sure are likely to have them cross out path whether we know it or not ( The bubonic plague was spread by the fleas on rats, hundreds of years later the hanta virus was found in rat droppings and was fatal to humans.). We just can't take chances.

 

[Sonya610]

Yes, I think that I read an article sometime this summer that the numbers may be higher because of unknowns in remote areas. jmo I bet the number of cases and deaths are higher than reported. They probably won't be able to get an accurate count until it's contained better.

Uhhh...unknowns in EVERY area, rural or metro. You can be sure they do NOT do autopsies on all unexplained deaths and most die at home.

 

[popsicle]

J.D. Miles ‏@jdmiles11 42s43 seconds ago
#Breaking #Frisco Police evacuated clinic in #Ebola scare. Follow me for latest

 

[ButForFortune]

Can someone help me with the math because I'm missing something. If Duncan was infectious first on the 24th and was quarantined on the 28th, wouldn't that 10 - 14 days right now? Or am I calculating wrong?

ETA: And incubation is up to 21 days, isn't?

He had contact with people up to the 28th. 10 days.

 

[SallyLu]

I'm watching the ambulance on the interstate. The traffic may have been advised to get out of the way??? There's not much if it I75. ******Speculative*******

 

[EGirl]

Respectfully, I don't think anyone knows who the patient is at this point. All of the MSM tweets that have been linked thus far state it is a male patient who had contact with Duncan and who checked a box indicating recent travel from West Africa. MOO.

To clarify, I think he checked ONE of the boxes regarding travel to West Africa. I'm guessing he checked a box that said he was exposed to someone else who recently traveled from there. I don't know that it means he traveled there.

 

[murphy3k]

To clarify, I think he checked ONE of the boxes regarding travel to West Africa. I'm guessing he checked a box that said he was exposed to someone else who recently traveled from there. I don't know that it means he traveled there.

Good point!

 

[popsicle]

ABC News ‏@ABC 20s20 seconds ago
NEW: Nephew of Dallas Ebola victim claims uncle received "unfair" treatment before his death: http://abcn.ws/1t3b2ps

 

[SallyLu]

My dil says that she asked and was told he wouldn't be transported to Baylor in Frisco. Wherever they're going it appears to be quite a distance. Odd. It could also be I35E going South. **Speculative.**

 

[LinasK]

My dil says that she asked and was told he wouldn't be transported to Baylor in Frisco. Wherever they're going it appears to be quite a distance. Odd.

Now that they know it's probably Ebola, why don't they send this person to the closest of the 4 hospitals specifically equipped to fight Ebola??

 

[Sonya610]

http://www.wtop.com/267/3717858/Questions-and-answers-on-dogs-and-Ebola-risks

" Q: Can dogs get Ebola?

A: At least one major study suggests they can, without showing symptoms. Researchers tested dogs during the 2001-02 Ebola outbreak in Gabon after seeing some of them eating infected dead animals. Of the 337 dogs from various towns and villages, 9 to 25 percent showed antibodies to Ebola, a sign they were infected or exposed to the virus.

Being exposed and "getting it" i.e. being contagious are two VERY VERY different things!

Have you ever heard of Pseudorabies (Aujeszky's Disease)?? You probably haven't, but if you are over the age of 30 you have probably been EXPOSED.

Aujeszky's Disease is carried by swine and humans are IMMUNE to it. Adult pigs/swine rarely die from it, yet all commercial pig farms in the U.S. were HEAVILY infected with it until a couple of decades ago.

Why is that a big deal? Because most all domestic animals (dogs, cats etc...) die within days of exposure, and there is no treatment or cure.

What is the point you ask? Well people in the U.S., dog and cat owners, were buying and eating INFECTED commercial pork for decades! If a dog or cat so much as licked the infected meat they were dead, yet HUMANS were eating it, and kissing and loving on their dogs and cats, and there was NO TRANSMISSION!

Stop worrying about our dogs, or cats transmitting the virus. Worry about HUMANS transmitting it! Because that transmission will make you sick!

 

[ButForFortune]

ABC News ‏@ABC 20s20 seconds ago
NEW: Nephew of Dallas Ebola victim claims uncle received "unfair" treatment before his death: http://abcn.ws/1t3b2ps

This attitude is so disturbing to me. He was patient zero, clearly the hospital did not suspect Ebola. He had excellent medical care with serious risk to his caregivers. Heroic measures were taken. Experimental drugs. Ventilator. Dialysis.

He had Ebola! Chances were high that he would not survive it. His family needs to stop - I am also suspect of their agenda.

 

[oh_gal]

ABC News ‏@ABC 20s20 seconds ago
NEW: Nephew of Dallas Ebola victim claims uncle received "unfair" treatment before his death: http://abcn.ws/1t3b2ps

I must be missing something; I'm puzzled that he would feel this way. It seems to me the patient had received the best treatment, along with a healthy dose of compassion and caring from complete strangers. What more could have been done?

 

[EGirl]

My dil says that she asked and was told he wouldn't be transported to Baylor in Frisco. Wherever they're going it appears to be quite a distance. Odd. It could also be I35E going South. **Speculative.**

Going to the same hospital in Dallas that Duncan was in. Dallas Presbyterian.

 

[SallyLu]

Going to the same hospital in Dallas that Duncan was in.

It looks that way. I saw one of the signs for the North bound Road and it said, Arapaho Rd x number of miles.