Ebola outbreak - general thread #4

[bettybaby00]

There is no way the CDC is simply incompetent, they store and handle the most deadly diseases on the planet. If they were actually as incompetent as they sound they would have killed themselves off ages ago (and taken the state of Georgia with them).

IMO they are lying and they aren't very good at it; they must really believe the American public is stupid OR they just plain don't care what the sheeple think. After all what is the American public gonna do about it? NOTHING! We will sit quietly as we see our country getting infected and continue to go along quietly until it spirals completely out of control.

This situation is really frightening as we keep seeing conflicting reports on how this is spread, and whether or not we're "safe."

I just read another article, which I'm not going to post b/c it's been covered extensively, about dogs being able to contract EBOLA.

What makes me suspect the CDC of outright misrepresentation of the facts is the contradictory statements issued by WHO, as well as all the medical experts offering varying opinions.

If nothing else, our southern boarder should be sealed, as S America could pose a huge threat if any cases develop in that region.

 

[WideOpen]

Just saw on the news (FOX no link yet)

Airline workers striking over "unsafe conditions relating to EBOLA."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/airline-cabin-cleaners-strike-ebola-exposure-fears/story?id=26066160
Airline Cabin Cleaners Strike Over Ebola Exposure Fears

The airlines like to strike. My father was a captain for Eastern airlines and my mother was a flight attendant.
I am much more concerned about the nurses and other health care personnel working day to day with sick patients.

JMO

 

[WideOpen]

Dear CDC: Stop Making Absolute Statements

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...be-careful-what-it-says-about-ebola-in-the-us

"We will stop Ebola in its tracks in the U.S.”

That’s the message Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, delivered last week on Ebola and its potential for spread in the United States.

Frieden delivered an absolute statement on public health, a field that absolutely should not deal in absolutes. Containment of disease outbreaks depend on a myriad of fluky factors that doctors, governments and the public can little control – such as a doctor from Liberia who is less than honest on his way out of town to see his fiancée.

JMO

 

[Yoda]

The health of the 44-year-old Spanish nurse with Ebola has worsened, a hospital official said, without giving further details.

"Her clinical situation has deteriorated but I can't give any more information due to the express wishes of the patient," said Yolanda Fuentes, an official at the Carlos III hospital.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1009/651050-ebola/

 

[Yoda]

Nearly 200 airline cabin cleaners walked off the job overnight, striking over health and safety issues that include fears over possible exposure to Ebola.

The protest involves Air Serv cabin cleaners in Terminal D at New York's LaGuardia airport, a contractor that serves Delta, as well as supporting workers from LaGuardia and JFK International airports.

http://abc7news.com/news/airline-cabin-cleaners-strike-over-ebola-exposure-fears/343006/

 

[effervescent]

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/airline-cabin-cleaners-strike-ebola-exposure-fears/story?id=26066160
Airline Cabin Cleaners Strike Over Ebola Exposure Fears

The airlines like to strike. My father was a captain for Eastern airlines and my mother was a flight attendant.
I am much more concerned about the nurses and other health care personnel working day to day with sick patients.

JMO

I am just as concerned with the safety of airline workers and passengers as I am about healthcare workers. Maybe more so, since healthcare workers at least have the training and PPE at hand to deal with this. Airline workers have every right to be concerned and every right to demand protection and safety on their job. Honestly, we ALL do... but they are on one of the front lines of this right now.
Air travel is probably the likeliest way this is going to spread to all parts of the world, so it would be in everybody's best interest if we handle it properly at all levels, but especially when it comes to travel.

 

[Yoda]

Doctor's letter/statement who took care of Spanish nurse.

http://translate.google.com/transla...start=30&sa=N&hl=en&biw=730&bih=463&tbs=qdr:h

 

[momrids6]

I live in a city that has a large military base, and have an officer son who went to Russia right at the beginning of the Georgia takeover. The group that went to Russia came home with a strain of e-coli, that when tested, no one had ever seen. When a huge contigent from the base returned from Afganistan & Iraq, our county was rampant with odd infections, and some virus that caused hepatitis like symptoms and caused viral meningitis in some.

I am not happy our military is there. Only ones that should be there should be volunteers, imo

 

[WideOpen]

I am just as concerned with the safety of airline workers and passengers as I am about healthcare workers. Maybe more so, since healthcare workers at least have the training and PPE at hand to deal with this. Airline workers have every right to be concerned and every right to demand protection and safety on their job. Honestly, we ALL do... but they are on one of the front lines of this right now.
Air travel is probably the likeliest way this is going to spread to all parts of the world, so it would be in everybody's best interest if we handle it properly at all levels, but especially when it comes to travel.

I am sorry, I did not mean to sound totally thoughtless/compassionless. IMO it is not the military who should be sent to the front lines either, they are trained to fight wars, not disease.
I think the response or lack of is totally negligent on all levels.

JMO

 

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[passionflower]

Doctor's letter/statement who took care of Spanish nurse.

http://translate.google.com/transla...start=30&sa=N&hl=en&biw=730&bih=463&tbs=qdr:h

If I read this right, the one article says that Theresa the nurse health is worsening.
My heart breaks for the health workers that try to save lives an loses their own. Her dear husband, what can we say.............

 

[passionflower]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/08/ebola-duncan-death-cremation/16930631/

 

[Sonya610]

Have we heard ANY news about the "family members" in Dallas? Seems it has gotten awfully quiet.

Last I heard they strongly suspected one family member could be infected.

 

[nightwatch]

I am just as concerned with the safety of airline workers and passengers as I am about healthcare workers. Maybe more so, since healthcare workers at least have the training and PPE at hand to deal with this. Airline workers have every right to be concerned and every right to demand protection and safety on their job. Honestly, we ALL do... but they are on one of the front lines of this right now.
Air travel is probably the likeliest way this is going to spread to all parts of the world, so it would be in everybody's best interest if we handle it properly at all levels, but especially when it comes to travel.

We flew in and out of JFK last week, air travel has become exhausting. On alert for terrorist, some were nervous about sick fellow passengers a few were wearing face masks. One of the stewardess said with the ebola scare a lite flu season will be what we need this year as she smiled and crossed her fingers. [emoji18]

ciao

 

[hockeymom]

http://abc7news.com/news/airline-cabin-cleaners-strike-over-ebola-exposure-fears/343006/

I don't blame these people. They have no training or proper equipment. I wouldn't want to be in their position.

 

[Peliman]

We flew in and out of JFK last week, air travel has become exhausting. On alert for terrorist, some were nervous about sick fellow passengers a few were wearing face masks. One of the stewardess said with the ebola scare a lite flu season will be what we need this year as she smiled and crossed her fingers. [emoji18]

ciao

This reminds me of a flight I had a couple weeks ago. During the safety briefing about oxygen mask etc. The announcer said if for some reason your not happy with your flight we have 3 exits on this airplane, two on row 22 and one in the front. We all had a good laugh.

 

[Muffet]

FWIW, I don't foresee America having many serious outbreaks any time soon. I think the people and professionals will rise up enough to force the implementation of intelligent, evidence - based controls.

My biggest concern is that it'll gets out of hand in so many countries that we are overwhelmed - not just by possible incoming patients, but the economic and political fallout that will affect us all.

On another note, someone brought up the irresponsibility of making *absolute* statements. ITA We are dealing with a situation loaded with variables we can neither control nor predict.

The only wise response, IMO, is to be smart and level-headed, don't overreact, avoid taking unnecessary chances, educate ourselves with the science we do have, don't put faith in anyone who could have an agenda.

Taking extreme views either way, pretending to know what we cannot know, or focusing on side issues won't do any of us any good.

 

[Muffet]

BBM. Ironic that we in usa are taking precautions and isolating anyone even remotely suspected of the disease, yet are not in favor of isolating the country that has the disease. Looking at some of the horrific photos that are getting put up here, I can't imagine how this disease can get irradicated in Africa. Too many people, too little help, no facilities, lack of education, etc. Even if the disease were slowed, it will likely gain ground quicky to due to those things. I have no answers.

We aren't actually isolating like we should.

As for what happens in Africa, I don't have a crystal ball, but it's a tragedy on every level.

We - all countries - should continue to increas our sending of massive supplies, volunteers, and other support. Use ships for quarantine and treatment of vital healthcare personnel.

With that, hopefully, their people and leaders will, with more education, and maybe out of desperation, be empowered and willing to isolate.

Meanwhile, fast-track studies that help find a cure, optimal treatment protocols, and details about the virus' behavior in the wide variety of environments and hosts.

 

[Sophieandme]

We aren't actually isolating like we should.

As for what happens in Africa, I don't have a crystal ball, but it's a tragedy on every level.

We - all countries - should continue to increas our sending of massive supplies, volunteers, and other support. Use ships for quarantine and treatment of vital healthcare personnel.

With that, hopefully, their people and leaders will, with more education, and maybe out of desperation, be empowered and willing to isolate.

Meanwhile, fast-track studies that help find a cure, optimal treatment protocols, and details about the virus' behavior in the wide variety of environments and hosts.

ITA...additionally develop a reliable fast diagnostic test.

 

[Muffet]

Have we heard ANY news about the "family members" in Dallas? Seems it has gotten awfully quiet.

Last I heard they strongly suspected one family member could be infected.

The longer we go without an infection in the family, the more easily we can all breathe. :thumb: We've already passed the highest mountain there. We have to be careful trusting people, with all their complexities and unpredictability, but this experience in Dallas gives us mountains of empirical data to work with.