Ebola outbreak - general thread #6

[alwaysonmymind]

We have to move forward now and take care of present problems. We can't let the cause be the focus.

Agreed, however, we must analyze and confirm the failures, flaws and gray areas, then take action to prevent a recurrence as we move forward.

imho

 

[Jersey*Girl]

We have to move forward now and take care of present problems. We can't let the cause be the focus.

I agree, however I gleaned info in response to Yoda's post, specifically #3 in their post. I'd also like to add that misinformation absolutely needs to stop and those that are trained and may have been wrong should learn that medical diagnosis and technique can change over time, therefore they shouldn't put people - in specific the public - down that may have been uneducated. Nobody was wearing a tin hat yet look - most on this board (as well as several other boards including medical boards) were right.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Agreed, however, we must analyze and confirm the failures, flaws and gray areas, then take action to prevent a recurrence as we move forward.

imho

Jinx!

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Now that it is known that the virus is airborne, dou you think DPH needs to be sealed and decontaminated?

Absolutely. I also believe this is behind possibly moving Nina to Emory.

 

[Isabelle]

President of American Nurses Association saying in effect that nurses should continue to be submissive and managers should sit with them and hear their concerns. But, nurses should continue to provide care. The ANA has always been biased toward the management side of issues. They do absolutely nothing for nurses on the front line. I have never been a member of that group and never will.

 

[Isabelle]

Absolutely. I also believe this is behind possibly moving Nina to Emory.

I suspect that too and by being quiet DPH is trying to prevent panic. So very sorry for all involved.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Dallas nurse Briana Aguirre: 'We never talked about Ebola' before Thomas Eric Duncan arrived

http://m.today.com/health/dallas-nurse-we-never-talked-about-ebola-thomas-eric-duncan-2D80220579

Interview with PHD nurse.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

President of American Nurses Association saying in effect that nurses should continue to be submissive and managers should sit with them and hear their concerns. But, nurses should continue to provide care. The ANA has always been biased toward the management side of issues. They do absolutely nothing for nurses on the front line. I have never been a member of that group and never will.

Is that the union, the same people that spoke out in favor of Nina Pham?

 

[Footwarrior]

Rachel Maddow did a great job explaining the progression of Ebola from the time a patient starts to show symptoms on her show last night.

You can watch it here.

The risk of infection rises along with the progression of the disease in an Ebola patient. In later stages, the patient is producing massive amounts of bodily fluids loaded with the Ebola virus. The risk for health care workers peaks when the patient is approaching death, apparently when the two health care workers in Texas were involved in Duncan's treatment.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Now that it is known that the virus is airborne, dou you think DPH needs to be sealed and decontaminated?

Question - does a hospital have different air filtration system as compared to a house? An airplane?

 

[Isabelle]

Is that the union, the same people that spoke out in favor of Nina Pham?

No the ANA is not a union.

 

[bettybaby00]

The highly respected Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO) that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles,” including exhaled breath.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air
CIDRAP is warning that surgical facemasks do not prevent transmission of Ebola, and healthcare professionals (HCP) must immediately be outfitted with full-hooded protective gear and powered air-purifying respirators.

CIDRAP since 2001 has been a global leader in addressing public health preparedness regarding emerging infectious diseases and bio-security responses. CIDRAP’s opinion on Ebola virus is there are “No proven pre- or post-exposure treatment modalities;” “A high case-fatality rate;” and “Unclear modes of transmission.”

Wow....

It's clear to me that this group is much less agenda driven than the CDC and even WHO.

 

[atthelake]

Now that it is known that the virus is airborne, dou you think DPH needs to be sealed and decontaminated?

You are misunderstanding - the report was that it (in opinion of some) has the potential. It is not known it is airborne, and cases in US are supporting such :moo:

 

[faw720]

Agreed, however, we must analyze and confirm the failures, flaws and gray areas, then take action to prevent a recurrence as we move forward.

imho

I may be overly optimistic but I think at least some people are starting to be more cautious & take proactive precautions. 2 students from Belton, Tx were on the same flight as nurse #2, Amber. They attended school in Belton on Tuesday. Today Belton ISD has announced that 3 schools in Belton have been closed & are being disinfected today. Apparently Bell County officials decided to use their common sense rather than relying on CDC for guidance. The students will remain at home for the 21 day infection period. Additional information can be found on the KCEN television website.

 

[WillenFan21]

The highly respected Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO) that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles,” including exhaled breath.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air
CIDRAP is warning that surgical facemasks do not prevent transmission of Ebola, and healthcare professionals (HCP) must immediately be outfitted with full-hooded protective gear and powered air-purifying respirators.

CIDRAP since 2001 has been a global leader in addressing public health preparedness regarding emerging infectious diseases and bio-security responses. CIDRAP’s opinion on Ebola virus is there are “No proven pre- or post-exposure treatment modalities;” “A high case-fatality rate;” and “Unclear modes of transmission.”

I heard about this. My mom and I were just talking about it because a co-worker at the hospital she works at told her about it. My mom is a medical technologist in blood bank. Here is the article she was reading:

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬/1541821/ebola-is-airborne-university-of-minnesota-cidrap-researchers-claim/

 

[Hiandmighty]

The highly respected Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO) that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles,” including exhaled breath.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air
CIDRAP is warning that surgical facemasks do not prevent transmission of Ebola, and healthcare professionals (HCP) must immediately be outfitted with full-hooded protective gear and powered air-purifying respirators.

CIDRAP since 2001 has been a global leader in addressing public health preparedness regarding emerging infectious diseases and bio-security responses. CIDRAP’s opinion on Ebola virus is there are “No proven pre- or post-exposure treatment modalities;” “A high case-fatality rate;” and “Unclear modes of transmission.”

I'd like to find verification of this from CIDRAP itself. Has anyone run across anything?

 

[Isabelle]

One thing that I have been wondering is why, when he first went to the ER he only mentioned he'd "traveled" in West Africa. Having seen that girl so sick then die...if he thought he could have the same disease...why not be honest and tell the DOCTOR and every health care person he saw that night he had close contact with a sick person who subsequently DIED? Chances of his survival would have been higher..

In my experience as a nurse I did learn that many are not capable of putting 2+2 together. I know it sounds absurd and unbelievable but it is true. For example, admitting a child to intensive care, I would do a complete physical exam and ask parents very detailed questions about the child's whole life health history. These questions are asked by organ system, I don't want to miss a thing. Parents indicate the child has had no problems. I as about any surgeries and am told the child had heart surgery. This is true, it did happen. Critical thinking is something that is learned. Mr. Duncan did not use critical thinking. The caregivers that initially saw him didn't use it very well either. If they did they would have ferreted out the critical information and we might not be talking about this now.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Absolutely. I also believe this is behind possibly moving Nina to Emory.

When did Nina get moved to Emory?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

If it is true that Louise's family has not gotten sick, I certainly hold there are scientists looking into the possibility of them having some kind of immunity, etc. Has there been any updates on her family at all in the past week? Do we know for sure that none of them has gotten sick?

I'm wondering the same. Thomas met Louise in a refugee camp after fleeing due to the fighting in that area many years ago. She came from Liberia I think, or somewhere near there? Anyone remember? Anyway, she had gotten pregnant with their son while in the refugee camp. She came to America but for some reason he didn't and went back to his home once e fighting subsided. I don't remember if she was pregnant when she fled Africa or of she had the baby there before coming here. Either way, is it possible she and their child were exposed to something that forms a natural barrier against Ebola?

 

[cady]

I'd like to find verification of this from CIDRAP itself. Has anyone run across anything?

Google 'em and then call or e mail? JMO