Ebola outbreak - general thread #7

[jjenny]

"The woman, who has not been named, is showing no signs of the virus and is considered asymptomatic, according to Coast Guard officials. She has been placed in isolation on the ship."

http://www.khou.com/story/news/loca...cruise-ship-considered-asymptomatic/17522091/

 

[Ray_of_hope]

First of all, I can't imagine the hysteria once the flu hits. Secondly, Mr Duncan's fiance and her son/nephews are reportedly symptom free. Amazing and from such a prolonged and intense exposure! So happy to read that. During the flu pandemic of 1918, some people did not get the flu or got it and became ill but recovered. Later, researchers discovered a gene that was protective. If someone had 2 genes, they didn't get the flu. If someone was ill and recovered, they were found to have one gene. Others without died. I've read some interesting theories about ebola, the last one being that the family may have had an asymptomatic infection. The latter was read on a non-peer reviewed site. Can't wait for more research and I pray for a vaccine. We have patients come in with fever and malaise all the time. (Also as of today, we have been sent an email of ebola symptoms and a message from infection control on how to triage and who to put in a reverse isolation room). The last day I was working, there were no protective gowns on my floor at all! I checked. And usually, they are the paper protective gowns Not feeling very hopeful

 

[sonjay]

They have been testing a lot of people who aren't necessarily showing symptoms. Almost all of Mr. Duncan's initial contacts got tested (that's what I heard today from the judge's press conference). None of the tests for Duncan's contacts came back positive.

I haven't heard that. I thought they were all simply being monitored.

How does that fit in with the concept that testing won't pick up ebola until after the person is symptomatic? What's the point of testing an asymptomatic person?

 

[Isabelle]

Today I received an email from our Board of nursing giving information relative to protocol for care and control of EBV. Recommended PPE is yet to be determined!!!

 

[bettybaby00]

Today I received an email from our Board of nursing giving information relative to protocol for care and control of EBV. Recommended PPE is yet to be determined!!!

TBD...such a useful announcement

 

[CarmelEyesD]

http://www.krmg.com/news/news/national/leprosy-diagnosed-ohio-prison-inmate/nhk6F/

COLUMBUS, Ohio —

An Ohio prison inmate has been diagnosed with leprosy, but health officials aren't concerned the infection will spread.


I am sure it is nothing, but I haven't heard of a US case in ages...decades?

 

[Hiandmighty]

First of all, I can't imagine the hysteria once the flu hits. Secondly, Mr Duncan's fiance and her son/nephews are reportedly symptom free. Amazing and from such a prolonged and intense exposure! So happy to read that. During the flu pandemic of 1918, some people did not get the flu or got it and became ill but recovered. Later, researchers discovered a gene that was protective. If someone had 2 genes, they didn't get the flu. If someone was ill and recovered, they were found to have one gene. Others without died. I've read some interesting theories about ebola, the last one being that the family may have had an asymptomatic infection. The latter was read on a non-peer reviewed site. Can't wait for more research and I pray for a vaccine. We have patients come in with fever and malaise all the time. (Also as of today, we have been sent an email of ebola symptoms and a message from infection control on how to triage and who to put in a reverse isolation room). The last day I was working, there were no protective gowns on my floor at all! I checked. And usually, they are the paper protective gowns Not feeling very hopeful

Hubby's hospital is having an "Ebola conference" Monday for doctors. They also added an "Ebola checklist" to ER intake forms.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I also have a friend that went over to West Africa last week and should be returning next weekend. No matter what I said, or anyone else for that matter, he went and he knows better. I wish they'd put a travel ban out to protect us from idiots!

 

[Ray_of_hope]

My husband is also a physician and he's thrown his hands in the air!!! I mean clipboard man at the airport?! The guy, not in any protective gear at all, spraying vomitus off of an apartment building where Mr Duncan lived. Yes, he's always received every journal and is also an HIV expert... We were around when it was first called GRID! He receives MMWR from the CDC and I read them too. These publications are read by professionals but since business began running medicine, nothing is implemented and cost containment is the bottom line!

 

[Tulessa]

First of all, I can't imagine the hysteria once the flu hits. Secondly, Mr Duncan's fiance and her son/nephews are reportedly symptom free. Amazing and from such a prolonged and intense exposure! So happy to read that. During the flu pandemic of 1918, some people did not get the flu or got it and became ill but recovered. Later, researchers discovered a gene that was protective. If someone had 2 genes, they didn't get the flu. If someone was ill and recovered, they were found to have one gene. Others without died. I've read some interesting theories about ebola, the last one being that the family may have had an asymptomatic infection. The latter was read on a non-peer reviewed site. Can't wait for more research and I pray for a vaccine. We have patients come in with fever and malaise all the time. (Also as of today, we have been sent an email of ebola symptoms and a message from infection control on how to triage and who to put in a reverse isolation room). The last day I was working, there were no protective gowns on my floor at all! I checked. And usually, they are the paper protective gowns Not feeling very hopeful

I for one, truly, truly appreciate you guys! God bless you!

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Sorry, I know I'm on a rant but in Africa, the health care workers are sprayed down with disinfectant and marched through several tubs of disinfectant before removing protective gear. I have seen none of that on US soil.

 

[Yoda]

I think I'll create the Vomit App. About to leave house? Check the Vomit App to make sure the coast clear! See someone vomit? Tag the location on your Vomit App and now everyone will know where to avoid! We are already working on our next version! In Vomit app 2.0, users will be able to rank the vomit, based on volume, consistency, aroma. Take a photo of the vomit and upload it for users to evaluate and compare. You can find the vomit app exclusively on websleuths !

 

[Ray_of_hope]

OT: Tulessa, You are always a kind and loving person! Bless you too! I'm sorry I'm so angry right now.

 

[jjenny]

http://www.krmg.com/news/news/national/leprosy-diagnosed-ohio-prison-inmate/nhk6F/

COLUMBUS, Ohio —

An Ohio prison inmate has been diagnosed with leprosy, but health officials aren't concerned the infection will spread.


I am sure it is nothing, but I haven't heard of a US case in ages...decades?

OMG. That's a scary disease. They think he got infected while still in his home country, not US. I hope he didn't spread it around.

 

[Harmony 2]

Crap, I wonder if it was ok for me to put the story about Amber Vinson hiring an attorney on this thread, or if it should be in political. Mods?

It goes here... thanks for asking!!

 

[jjenny]

I haven't heard that. I thought they were all simply being monitored.

How does that fit in with the concept that testing won't pick up ebola until after the person is symptomatic? What's the point of testing an asymptomatic person?

I think it's mostly to give them (and everybody else) a piece of mind.

 

[neesaki]

Not Directed at you Laughing.

Going to answer this as best I can, again. I will not tell the Receptionistone thing about me or my where abouts, it is not for her/him to know. If a Dr.s office is screening for ebola then they need to have a nurse/Dr out in the parking lot and not allow the people that may be infected with ebola in. If I had a Dr who had a receptionist that asked the patients questions at the front desk, I will find a new Dr. jmo idk

Hmmm.... You do have a point, that someone potentially infected with ebola should preferably not be in the Dr's office in the first place, because if they are there and unprotected, they are already placing everyone in the facility at risk... employees, nurses, Dr's, patients. I don't think I'd personally have a problem telling them if I had or hadn't been to Africa, but then again, perhaps there should be separation somehow in order to avoid spreading of this virus... not sure how, but they can do that if they really want to handle this responsibly. A completely separate , contained screening area is the only thing I can think of.

As you, when I am given one of those overly intrusive long forms you described earlier, I fill it in as I choose. I leave blank what I choose, I fill in what is relevant as to why I am there, and much of it is not. So what is their business, I let them know. What is not, I don't. But then as a retired RN I'm totally comfortable with that. Others may not be, which I can also understand.

That said, we all need to take our own health, our own well being, in our own hands, we need to gain as much knowledge, educate ourselves to the best of our abilities. And there's a world of information at our fingertips on the internet. The fact is, there is no physician anywhere that knows me better than I know myself. Also, there are many physicians out there that unfortunately are quite incompetent and can't be trusted. I say this from both sides of the fence, not only as a retired professional, but also as a former cancer patient and survivor. Yes, it's true what you've heard, nurses don't make good patients, lol. Still, just a word of caution for all. :moo:

 

[WichitaFalls]

I don't think I can link to blogs but . . . if you look at www.dallasnews.com you'll see a story about a letter of apology to the community that will appear in a full page ad in tomorrow's Dallas Morning News.

I think it's a good letter. The CEO admits to and takes responsibility for the many mistakes that were made. What is that saying, admitting the problem is half the battle.

 

[sonjay]

How does that fit in with the concept that testing won't pick up ebola until after the person is symptomatic? What's the point of testing an asymptomatic person?

I think it's mostly to give them (and everybody else) a piece of mind.

I must be missing something, because I don't understand how that would give anybody peace of mind. Supposed you've been exposed to ebola, and you've got the virus in your blood, but it's not yet multiplied sufficiently to give you symptoms or to show up in a lab test. And you get tested and it comes back negative. That tells you exactly .... nothing.

In fact, testing too early strikes me as detrimental. Now you've had the test, and it was negative, so in a couple of weeks when you develop a fever and abdominal pain, you "know" it's not ebola because you were tested. And you continue going on with your regular life, spreading ebola everywhere you go.

 

[winnnancy]

First of all, I can't imagine the hysteria once the flu hits. Secondly, Mr Duncan's fiance and her son/nephews are reportedly symptom free. Amazing and from such a prolonged and intense exposure! So happy to read that. During the flu pandemic of 1918, some people did not get the flu or got it and became ill but recovered. Later, researchers discovered a gene that was protective. If someone had 2 genes, they didn't get the flu. If someone was ill and recovered, they were found to have one gene. Others without died. I've read some interesting theories about ebola, the last one being that the family may have had an asymptomatic infection. The latter was read on a non-peer reviewed site. Can't wait for more research and I pray for a vaccine. We have patients come in with fever and malaise all the time. (Also as of today, we have been sent an email of ebola symptoms and a message from infection control on how to triage and who to put in a reverse isolation room). The last day I was working, there were no protective gowns on my floor at all! I checked. And usually, they are the paper protective gowns Not feeling very hopeful

If you can post the link for that, it would be great. Gene mapping started in??? 1952 with Watson and Crick(sp?) would love to know who preceded their breakthrough. 1918?