Ebola outbreak - general thread #7

[Muffet]

I'm so happy for Teresa Romero's victory over ebola. :thumb:

At the same time, my heart breaks over her loss of her beloved pet.

Do we know if she still has yet to be informed?

Were I in her position, I would waste no time; I would immediately capitalize on my new publicity and public sympathy to bring a hailstorm of fire down upon the Spanish authorities who killed her Excalibur.

She can cite research, logic, and now, the example of our Bentley, to show that what Spain did was not only unnecessarily cruel, but unsupportable from a scientific perspective.
i.e., they deprived the scientific community thus the world of an excellent opportunity to add to our knowledge base.

Bentley is unlikely to present with the virus at all, IMO, since Nina was isolated so soon.

EXCALIBUR, however, was presumably snuggling with Teresa often through the initial 6 days she was symptomatic. He could have told us much.

We have yet to find a dog actively carrying an Ebola virus. We have only one study, which merely found ebola antibodies, and that was among dogs who were feral in the midst of an outbreak in Gabon.

That does not tell us what we need to know. We need to learn if, where, and for how long dogs can carry the live virus itself, and how their bodies kill and/or excrete it once they are infected or exposed.

Excalibur could have told us so much, but the :censored: took the cheap and easy way out and killed him.

I doubt she can sue them, but with support, she can reem them, and I know I'm not the only one here who would gladly hold them down while she does.

 

[sonjay]

Why is it a problem or considered overkill for a 3 week quarantine to protect the rest of your life?

If the only way to kill this very serious disease is to let it die off on its own - then do so.

Any one with a chance of having it should be quarantined and monitored in a humane and protective way.

It may be a hassle, but in reality having ebola is more of a hassle -

Quoted for posterity. This. Sooooo this.

 

[jjenny]

That's relevant for the healthcare worker, but totally irrelevant to the people on the cruise ship. We know she had no detectable ebola in her blood because she was tested for it. Therefore, she could NOT have infected anyone on that ship.

ETA: SORRY. I thought you were referring to the cruise ship pax. My mistake.

I agree that cruise ship should be totally safe. She wasn't showing any symptoms and her Ebola test was negative. So there is no risk to anyone on the cruise ship.
I am talking about people released from quarantine after 21 days. If that study was accurate, than there is still a small chance they could develop Ebola.

 

[jjenny]

I have a very dear friend who teaches there. I hope this news doesn't send the school into a panic!

I think going into panic would be very stupid. This is not just a low risk situation, this is a no risk situation.
The woman was negative for Ebola and had no symptoms. She couldn't have infected anyone.
So the child who was on the cruise is not infected.

 

[CARIIS]

Hi Sonya!

WHat do you think is with BF. It amazes me Cnn still rolling -- their expaling it all again- it really , at its core is not all that complicated (underneath the layers are) but tgood lord they are still doing travel ban , and I think gosh, the system could not the BOston dude out even after Russia warned us - thats pretty telling IMO

And none of it matters the holidays are here for COngress - it will be off the front page (hoepeullly) !

goodness!

You are right.

On that note I really do think there is something up with Nina's boyfriend. Spidey senses tell me so.

If I am right....well usually nay sayers disappear from threads when evidence proves them wrong.

 

[faw720]

I think going into panic would be very stupid. This is not just a low risk situation, this is a no risk situation.
The woman was negative for Ebola and had no symptoms. She couldn't have infected anyone.
So the child who was on the cruise is not infected.

I agree!!! However, some people have been known to be stupid. Logic & good common sense often doesn't play a part in some people's actions.

 

[Gardenlady]

This story hits me a an angle. People are dying over there daily from this horrible disease. But casue she was a UN wroker her death deserves a article? Media media

I totally get where you're coming from, but I do think it highlights how bad things are getting. Liberia, SL and Guinea are already short on their own doctors and health workers, and now to lose the outside health workers... Well it's that many fewer hands.

I am so sad for all who have helped, and especially sad for the citizens of these nations, who were already short on medical personnel. What little they did have for health care personnel and infrastructure is slowly disappearing due to this virus.


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[CARIIS]

I can hear the commericial now! Wnat a beatiful bridal dress at great prices. is having a ED sale this weekend. Ebola Discount! Sale runs for 21 days ha!

If I could get it at a good price yeah, I would.

Full price? I would go to the non-potentialy-infected store. LOL. I don't know the owner, so all things being equal I would shop someplace else if I were a bride. Brides are superstitious.

 

[WichitaFalls]

I can hear the commericial now! Wnat a beatiful bridal dress at great prices. is having a ED sale this weekend. Ebola Discount! Sale runs for 21 days ha!

:laughing: Sale runs for 21 days. :laughing:

 

[bettybaby00]

I can hear the commericial now! Wnat a beatiful bridal dress at great prices. is having a ED sale this weekend. Ebola Discount! Sale runs for 21 days ha!

Snort...people might mistakenly think they're talking about the other ED :lol:

 

[CARIIS]

now THAT is funny took me a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and if you take it one step further the ronies of just getting married in an Ebola dress to a husband with ED - not a good start!!!

Snort...people might mistakenly think they're talking about the other ED :lol:

 

[bettybaby00]

now THAT is funny took me a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I swear those commercials are on constantly, now my brain goes there automatically :gaah:

 

[CARIIS]

Msnbc : Percentage of folks in America with Ebola comes to ! drum roll.......................crash of a cymbal


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Outbreak!

 

[neesaki]

I personally would not be o'key with it, because of the study that showed that in rare cases Ebola can develop after 21 days.
It might be a low chance, but it's not a zero chance.

I agree, conscientious and responsible parents will not take chances. It's just not worth it to take a chance. They're children, and depend on us to protect them. No matter what.

 

[SeekingJana]

I don't think Dallas Animal Services had any clue about what that vet school planned to do. Not sure if you missed it but when the article broke Saturday morning (about 3 weeks of no human contact) I posted it on their facebook page and they knew NOTHING about it and said that can't be right. Within an hour they posted again and said the vets "now say" the cage will only be for brief periods.

Dallas Animal Services was technically in charge of his care so they didn't wait for the complaints (they have received a LOT of donations in support of Bentley, they seem to be a very active shelter with events and promotions, likely closely aligned with rescue groups so their own people would be furious about the situation).

I have to speak up for " that vet school". It is Texas A&M. One of the most respected vet schools in the US.

I had a beloved small dog who developed a bleed in his heart.. He had two pericardiocentesis in a specialty vet ( cardiologist's) office when he was 6 years old. Each one was an emergency procedure as his heart was leaking blood from somewhere.. Nothing showed up on echocardiogram, but my precious dog was DYING rapidly.

We rushed him to Texas A&M several hundred miles from our home, praying that our dog would not die before we could get him there in the car. Surgery was ALL that would save his life. And we gently placed our dear boy's body in their arms and they rushed him into cardiac surgery- one of their specialties.
He was a super trooper of a dog anyway, but he did so well during and after his open heart surgery.
This is because Texas A&M is world- renowned for their small animal cardiac surgery, not because of our dog.
He had a chest tube, he had IVs, and arterial IVs after surgery, and he was on a ventilator for a while to give his heart a bit of a " rest".

The doctors, the heart surgeons at Texas A and M called us twice a day about our dog to update us and to prepare us for bringing him home.
He came home 4 days after his open heart surgery. He had a teeny tumor on his aorta which had caused his heart to bleed. They said it took them a long time to find it, it was about the size of a baby's fingernail clipping. But it was bleeding into his pericardium and the blood kept his heart from beating correctly.
They could not remove the tumor but they opened up his pericardium permanently and they told me " When the time comes for his life to be over, it will NOT be from this tiny heart tumor". It was the best $50,000 we EVER spent!!

Our dog lived 9 more WONDERFUL years. He was treated with kindness and love at Texas A and M. They pretty much had to ask us to come get him- we were so afraid that he would have complications and die after all he went through but they knew best. He had a huge incision with clips going almost all the way around his body, but it healed and was invisible when his fur grew back in.

He swam in our pool after that, he chased the neighborhood cat on top of our fence, and the weekend before he died at the age of 15, he walked the perimeter of his large backyard fence.. He stopped and smelled the air and he looked so strong and so happy, even though we knew he was nearing the end of his life span. And when he saw me waiting for him at the end of his last walk around HIS yard, he ran to me, as happy as a little puppy.

I KNOW, I know without a doubt, that the vets at Texas A and M want to learn about rare disorders in dogs so they can save them!!! Our dog had something they had never seen before.
For a few years, we had 2 older men on the Board Of Directors at A and M stop by our house every 6 months or so to see our boy. They were so happy to see him happy and well, because it was a miracle surgery.

And when we die, all our assets are already in a trust to Texas A and M, for the research and specifically for canine cardiology and cardiac surgery.

The point of this is to say that Bentley can also be a teacher for very skilled vets. In order for vets to learn and understand how dogs react or don't react to Ebola, some dogs have to be examined and studied. I KNOW he got good food, clean water, a kind assistant to pet him and talk to him, and I know it's important to ALL the dogs in the USA to have Texas A and M involved in learning about the impact that Ebola may or may not have on our pets.

I would want my dear dogs to be studied to benefit other dogs if I had Ebola or anything else, just as they studied my dog's heart tumor years ago.
They just might be saving the life of your cat, your dog, your horse, whatever through knowledge gained in their testing.
Someone had to agree for Bentley to go to A and M. It's not like they cut fencing to get to him, you know?
Dogs aren't readily available to monitor health vs. illness with Ebola because--- we haven't HAD Ebola in the USA before. And no vets in the world outperform USA vets, because no other nation's populace spends what Americans will on health care for their pets.

I think this is all out of perspective. If one of my dogs currently has or develops another rare disorder, we will be at their facility as soon as they accept him or her. No second thoughts, no debate. We KNOW they are a teaching facility. We expect that our pet will be seen by vet students and that our pet may have special testing done to further the cause of education. It's part of running a center of excellence.
I've SEEN how dedicated and generous they are.
We notified our DFW canine cardiologist when our dog who had the surgery passed away last year.. They notified A and M. We received a letter from the cardiologists who operated on him- they were so happy that he had such a long and healthy life after his surgery, and had been saddened when their BOD PR guys stopped coming to our house to see their former patient. They had thought he died then- but no, he lived and loved for many more years.

I hope Bentley and Nina have many happy and healthy years together too. More than there are words to say because our household has grown quite fond of both of them through all this. We pray for Nina AND for Bentley.

 

[SeekingJana]

Could just be a "big announcement" saying the first group has reached the 21 day mark.

IMO, they are going to designate Parkland Hospital in Dallas as the regional Ebola treatment hospital. For those who don't know, this is the hospital where President Kennedy was rushed to after he was shot. He was dying, if not dead, upon arrival, but this is why the name might sound familiar to some outside the area.

 

[CARIIS]

A M A Z I N G

Lemon is going to interview Mike Brown, the dude that completly messed up New Orleans. He could not do his job, getting ice and water in, what on earth does this guy have to do with medicine - this ought to be a hoot.

He was one of two lawyers fired from a huge firm!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Brown#Law_career

 

[SeekingJana]

And then there is also the incubation period, if Nina infected him recently then he came down with it darn fast unless she shed the virus long before she had any symptoms. Rumors have been floating that he has been in the hospital since she was hospitalized.

Could he have been exposed at the time she was? Gross but if they had physical contact before she showered after treating Duncan?

Is there not a chance that he is a health care professional, also? I saw some rumors about him working at Alcon, but I have no way to know that he does.
He could be another nurse or a doctor at Presby.

 

[CARIIS]

Sweet post! I think becasue we has all just come off of Spain murdering her dog, there was already a sentsitvity and fear as it relates to Bentley. However , the vet that came out wiht something akin to he is just gonna rough it out or words to that effect are IMO, appaling and did create some feelings on my end - none good.

ruff ruff!

I have to speak up for " that vet school". It is Texas A&M. One of the most respected vet schools in the US.

I had a beloved small dog who developed a bleed in his heart.. He had two pericardiocentesis in a specialty vet ( cardiologist's) office when he was 6 years old. Each one was an emergency procedure as his heart was leaking blood from somewhere.. Nothing showed up on echocardiogram, but my precious dog was DYING rapidly.

I took some off for space!

[h=1]Anonymous Ebola Patient Released[/h]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/10/20/Anonymous-Ebola-Patient-Released-from-Atlanta-Hospital-Where-Texas-Nurse-Continues-to-Receive-Care

DId not realize he was in for 6 weeks, amyone off hand know legnth of stay on the others? In article - it was male individual.

 

[mysteriew]

An oddity to me: Mr Duncan was reunited with his finance during the time before his illness was active. (Were they sexually active?) He remained with her and her children for 3 days, and after he went to the hospital they were left in the home with his sheets and towels and clothing. Despite not taking any precautions they did not become ill.

Yet two nurses wearing some protective clothing became ill right away.

Is it just me or is that odd?