Ebola outbreak - general thread #7

[Hatfield]

It's amazing how we get assumptions of ebola on every corner. Every test for ebola becomes a new ebola case, in the discussion. Every person in 21-day isolation gets assumed to have ebola, because they are in isolation. Every "continued observation" of someone, based on the possibility they might have been exposed because they were in the vicinity to a person with ebola (not assumed to be infected, just around them at some point) brings alarms of "more ebola." And if we don't have privacy-invasive updates on all of those in isolation, or under observation and not even deemed worthy of isolation, if we don't know all there is know about all of them at our every whim, assumptions get made that something dire is being hidden.

The media is part of the problem, but where they don't do it, it gets done anyhow. Including here.

If there's one thing we should recognize at this point, it's that there is no secret ebola patient.

If ANYONE new were to be diagnosed with ebola, it's going to be big news and be impossible to hide, as their every friend, neighbor, and passer-by is going to be brought into the loop for evaluation, observation, and perhaps isolation.

Your probably right that we would hear of any official new case of a positive diagnosis, but if the rumor of Nina's boyfriend being admitted for observation is true, then why would they try to keep that news hidden from the public.

It sure seems like it causes more concern when they try to hide things, than if they would just come out and state the truth and facts about it. Like just announce he was admitted for observation to be on the safe side.

I think the public would welcome that kind of honesty and it would help quell fears IMO.

Its when they try to hide things that people are going to think the worst. Like what are they hiding and why are they hiding it.

If the letter turns out to be fake, then I can understand not announcing anything, but if he really is in hospital for observation, i think its a huge mistake to hide it.

 

[Sonya610]

Your probably right that we would hear of any official new case of a positive diagnosis, but if the rumor of Nina's boyfriend being admitted for observation is true, then why would they try to keep that news hidden from the public.

When the news of Amber broke I always suspected it may have been kept secret (i.e. HIPPA and all) except for the fact there were a large number of "new" potential contacts that had to be notified.

 

[Sonya610]

Live feed of news conference here: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/category/264130/stream-1

 

[Elley Mae]

Your probably right that we would hear of any official new case of a positive diagnosis, but if the rumor of Nina's boyfriend being admitted for observation is true, then why would they try to keep that news hidden from the public.

It sure seems like it causes more concern when they try to hide things, than if they would just come out and state the truth and facts about it. Like just announce he was admitted for observation to be on the safe side.

I think the public would welcome that kind of honesty and it would help quell fears IMO.

Its when they try to hide things that people are going to think the worst. Like what are they hiding and why are they hiding it.

If the letter turns out to be fake, then I can understand not announcing anything, but if he really is in hospital for observation, i think its a huge mistake to hide it.

bbm If it is true, probably because he would have gotten it before she was showing signs other than her rise in temp. jmo

 

[SCHMAE]

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/loca...rings-in-record-breaking-41-million/17595391/

''- The State Fair boasts its most successful year in history as the 24-day run came to an end Sunday.'''

Guess that answers my question from some days ago. Go Dallas . Even though there may be the impression that folks are scared because of what a few say here or there, it seems the majority of folks are not at all. Most successful year ever makes me even wonder if some folks went to the fair for the sole purpose of NOT staying away from crowds and living in fear. Either way, slightly off topic, but I thought it was interesting.

 

[Sonya610]

Regarding news conference, I hope that comment on "middle schoolers" doesn't rile up the PC crowd.

 

[Hatfield]

When the news of Amber broke I always suspected it may have been kept secret (i.e. HIPPA and all) except for the fact there were a large number of "new" potential contacts that had to be notified.

Good points. I didnt think about it until now but I suspect you are right.

 

[SallyLu]

From the presser: 43 of initial 48 dropped off list, one this afternoon and four later.

Others continue to be monitored.

I wish I didn't feel like this was self congratulatory pat on the back. I hope it's just me being grumpy.

 

[SallyLu]

Ms Troh and family were in a home provided by the Catholic Relief. That was kind of them.

 

[CARIIS]

Hi Hat!

Why some survive, some don't


Early, high quality Ebola treatment may be a factor



Cnn headline today - cant help it this is the way my little brain works

When I read it I thought , isn't that a given? I know a high quality paint covers better, I know a high quality roll of scotch tape would likely be better than one of inferior quality! I would make a presumption that a high quality pan might cook better.

It is just numb - certainly did not get a sense that I needed to read it , kinda assumed that from the get go !

More over, "high quality" seems more approritate for above mentioned "thingies". I would think as it relat to health care , some better descritors might be prompt,intensive,specialized, or superior might describe "health care"

Just sharin!!!!!!

 

[Hatfield]

Regarding potential spreading of this disease, I want to research more on the past research that was done.
From what little I have learned so far, it seems we are hearing that a person has to be symptomatic and show signs of symptoms before they can spread it. Which is good news I suppose because it limits when a person can affect another person.

With all that said, the 1 thing I have been wondering about is like a Typhoid Mary type situation. Could there ever be a situation where a person is a carrier and transmits it to others without showing signs themselves.
I think everything we are hearing indicates that should not happen but I keep wondering about it and I suppose I need to read up on the past research to learn more. Ive been wondering about the people that have been cured and they may have antibodies now for themselves. Could they ever end up in a Typhoid Mary situation.

Or even someone that never had it before. Could they ever be a carrier and yet never get sick themselves.

I think all research is saying it is not possible which is good news, however, I continue to wonder about it because in Typhoid Marys case, she never got sick either but she still transmitted. Maybe the 2 different diseases are so different that it can never happen with Ebola. I need to read up on the research to learn about both of these diseases and how they both spread.

 

[CARIIS]

And lets hope "real hard" that none of them end up positive - the whole hysteria shall be upon the nation once again - "they dont know how long it is............" ahhhhhhhhh

From the presser: 43 of initial 48 dropped off list, one this afternoon and four later.

Others continue to be monitored.

I wish I didn't feel like this was self congratulatory pat on the back. I hope it's just me being grumpy.

 

[Hatfield]

Hi Hat!

Why some survive, some don't


Early, high quality Ebola treatment may be a factor



Cnn headline today - cant help it this is the way my little brain works

When I read it I thought , isn't that a given? I know a high quality paint covers better, I know a high quality roll of scotch tape would likely be better than one of inferior quality! I would make a presumption that a high quality pan might cook better.

It is just numb - certainly did not get a sense that I needed to read it , kinda assumed that from the get go !

More over, "high quality" seems more approritate for above mentioned "thingies". I would think as it relat to health care , some better descritors might be prompt,intensive,specialized, or superior might describe "health care"

Just sharin!!!!!!

Hello Cariis,
Yeah, it does seem like common sense that high quality care would help people more in any type of illness. They didnt need to tell us that.

 

[popsicle]

This may have been mentioned before but I had not heard about this until today. Link below. Supposedly the boyfriend of one of the patients has been hosptalized. I guess it is just a rumor right now but since they appear to have the letter sent to other employees, I dont know why it would be classified as just a rumor. Unless maybe they think someone made up the letter or something.

IMO, it looks like it could be true since the letter is actually shown. I didnt read where any testing actually confirmed he had it or not so maybe he just felt sick. Or maybe it was just a precaution.

This is how I think our officials contribute to the rumors and hysteria. They should just be honest with people and state the facts. Like why are they even trying to hide the fact he was admitted for observation if he truly was admitted. There is no reason to hide things and that contributes to the rumors and hysteria IMO.

It will be interesting to find out if he really is in hospital or not and if he is, then what are the testing results.

http://www.ibtimes.com/ebola-nurse-...ospital-ebola-symptoms-alcon-releases-1707586

If you go back in the thread to where Nina was dx'd and hospitalized... her bf was isolated in the hospital also, at that time, per msm reports.

 

[faw720]

From the presser: 43 of initial 48 dropped off list, one this afternoon and four later.

Others continue to be monitored.

I wish I didn't feel like this was self congratulatory pat on the back. I hope it's just me being grumpy.

I believe I heard that the 5 remaining on quarantine are health care workers.

 

[Elley Mae]

Regarding potential spreading of this disease, I want to research more on the past research that was done.
From what little I have learned so far, it seems we are hearing that a person has to be symptomatic and show signs of symptoms before they can spread it. Which is good news I suppose because it limits when a person can affect another person.

With all that said, the 1 thing I have been wondering about is like a Typhoid Mary type situation. Could there ever be a situation where a person is a carrier and transmits it to others without showing signs themselves.
I think everything we are hearing indicates that should not happen but I keep wondering about it and I suppose I need to read up on the past research to learn more. Ive been wondering about the people that have been cured and they may have antibodies now for themselves. Could they ever end up in a Typhoid Mary situation.

Or even someone that never had it before. Could they ever be a carrier and yet never get sick themselves.

I think all research is saying it is not possible which is good news, however, I continue to wonder about it because in Typhoid Marys case, she never got sick either but she still transmitted. Maybe the 2 different diseases are so different that it can never happen with Ebola. I need to read up on the research to learn about both of these diseases and how they both spread.

337 - Possible natural immunity to Ebola?

http://en.ird.fr/the-media-centre/scientific-newssheets/337-possible-natural-immunity-to-ebola

Treatment of Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever with Blood Transfusions from Convalescent Patients

http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S18.long

 

[Sonya610]

Ruh roh....the question about Nina's boyfriend. Judge is stuttering and getting nervous again.

This is why I like that judge! He can't lie worth squat so we know when is he not telling the "whole truth".

Course some of his statements like "zero risk" after 21 days are not true but he doesn't know that.

 

[sonjay]

bbm If it is true, probably because he would have gotten it before she was showing signs other than her rise in temp. jmo

If it really is her boyfriend, and if he really does have ebola, this would be major. Allegedly, you're not infectious before you're symptomatic, and it's been reported that Nina checked herself into the hospital as soon as she developed the fever. So when and how would her boyfriend have become infected? Before she was symptomatic?

 

[faw720]

Regarding news conference, I hope that comment on "middle schoolers" doesn't rile up the PC crowd.

It probably will but we sometimes need to hear the truth, PC or not. My heart hurts for the children coming off quarantine who will be going back to school. Absolutely none of this situation was their fault!! There has been a lot of fear, anger, & hate flying around & normally kids parrot their parent's attitude.

 

[Sonya610]

If it really is her boyfriend, and if he really does have ebola, this would be major. Allegedly, you're not infectious before you're symptomatic, and it's been reported that Nina checked herself into the hospital as soon as she developed the fever. So when and how would her boyfriend have become infected? Before she was symptomatic?

And then there is also the incubation period, if Nina infected him recently then he came down with it darn fast unless she shed the virus long before she had any symptoms. Rumors have been floating that he has been in the hospital since she was hospitalized.

Could he have been exposed at the time she was? Gross but if they had physical contact before she showered after treating Duncan?