Ebola outbreak - general thread #7

[Inthedetails]

The news about the NYC doc will be all over the place, of course, but I thought I'd mention a local news source that covers NYC neighborhoods:
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/

They might have some local angles to the story as the case progresses.

 

[trigger]

nypd coming from docs apartment throw gloves in public trash:

https://vid.me/qzw

lol

omg.....omg...omg.

 

[Hiandmighty]

The thing is, we don't know about these people until we hear about the initial contact with the hospital. Does anyone out there know the number of how many people are coming Over from Africa, including HCW?

Any guesses? Do we know generally speaking what the outlook risk in in the US?

 

[SStarr33]

The thing is, we don't know about these people until we hear about the initial contact with the hospital. Does anyone out there know the number of how many people are coming Over from Africa, including HCW?

Any guesses? Do we know generally speaking what the outlook risk in in the US?

It is about 150 per day--not sure if that includes HCW

 

[bexlex]

He was tested positive. Oh boy, Not good at all. Watching Anderson Cooper.

Watching CNN right now....most boring press conference ever.

 

[Hatfield]

GRRR. I am so sorry that I read the latest so close to bedtime. I thought nothing could top my anger about Duncan, but this doctor has. From NYTimes
"A health care worker at the hospital said that Dr. Spencer seemed very sick, and it was unclear to the medical staff why he had not gone to the hospital earlier, since his fever was high."
This doctor was feeling 'sluggish' on Tuesday.

Grrr. Also, WTF good is it to check incoming from Africa people's temperature when they can get a fever 8 days from when they land. GRRR. #$%X%^^

Armageddon?

I continue to believe that we have to force some sort of quarantine for at least 21 days of anyone that is known to have come from the infected region with likely contact of Ebola victims.

It makes no sense to me to allow the danger and risk of affecting others and possibly causing a full-blown outbreak like Africa is experiencing.

What the CDC is forgetting is if it ever gets into a full-blown outbreak here in the US, there is absolutely no stopping it here. There is no way we have the resources to do contact tracing if the number of patients begins to exceed a certain number. And I guarantee that number is rather small before it would be too much for the CDC to handle. Just look at how much trouble they are going through with just single patients.

It just makes 0 sense to me to not treat this disease with the serious it deserves. They are asking for it, and when/if a full blown outbreak ever occurs here, we can look back at the time when we all were crying out for more precautions to be taken.

 

[SStarr33]

Ashoka tweeting about NYC

https://twitter.com/unkyoka

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I know. I'm just frustrated with these idiots! I'm not trying to be rude but like you said it's common sense. I would NEVER risk other people if I came from Africa and was around people who had Ebola.

I totally agree with you WF21! Common sense is not so common.

 

[Inthedetails]

Ashoka tweeting about NYC

https://twitter.com/unkyoka

Thank you! These tweets are worth reading.

 

[Muffet]

No we can't assume it will happen every time, but so far with Mr Duncan, Ms Pham and Ms Vinson, all we know previously about the virus has been borne out - that its not easy to get at the early stages (though not impossible) and very easy to get at the later stages.

I do not think we will see an outbreak due to the NYC doctor. But that doesn't keep me from lamenting the fact that he showed poor judgement. The chances are very low of transmission in early stages, but not zero. He didn't need to hop on the subway and go bowling. I mean, have some consideration for others. Again, chances might be low, but he knew his own travel and situational history. He had been treating Ebola patients. If anyone should have self-quarantined, it should have been him. I feel fairly safe in saying that IMO, he acted like a complete dumb-a$$. No common sense at all.

Well said.


I don't worry nearly as much about its spreading as I am frustrated at the lack of caution and all the cost of dealing with such carelessness. Financial, man hours, exhausting jabber... :crazy:

TBH, I'm more annoyed by the abundance of obnoxiously hysterical reactions to possible overreactions than the few people who actually show real signs of "panicking".

It's like a panic over panic!

:chillpill:

 

[trigger]

They will be doing contact tracing on 4 people, lol

Oh good I feel better now...not. He self quarnteen himself Sooo no worries...not

I'm really worried for his gf.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

NYPD coming from docs apartment throw gloves in public trash:

https://vid.me/qzW

LOL

WHAT?????!!!!! OMG!!! So irresponsible. Will have to watch to see how they removed them

 

[nrdsb4]

It just makes 0 sense to me to not treat this disease with the serious it deserves. They are asking for it, and when/if a full blown outbreak ever occurs here, we can look back at the time when we all were crying out for more precautions to be taken.

I agree with that but also propose that when incidents like this happen, it makes no sense to focus retroactively on truly remote possibility scenarios, wringing hands and worrying, "What if someone gets a drop of sweat from a bowling shoe on their sock?" That kind of scenario is so so so very unlikely to result in an infection, it's not really worthy of consideration. Let's focus on the important issues and realistic ones. Such as whether or not to institute a mandatory quarantine of HCW coming from affected countries, getting hospitals ready for the walk in ebola patient, ensuring adequate supplies of proper PPG, etc.

 

[nrdsb4]

WHAT?????!!!!! OMG!!! So irresponsible. Will have to watch to see how they removed them

He had no vomiting or diarrhea in his apartment, so all those exclamation points seem a little hyperbolic to me, quite frankly. He merely presented with a fever in that apartment. The virus appears first in the blood, then later in vomit and feces, later in sweat. Let's not exaggerate the risk here.

 

[LyndyLoo]

NYPD coming from docs apartment throw gloves in public trash:

https://vid.me/qzW

LOL

LOL...I guess IF you are a dumpster diver and come across such trash..It better be within 4-6 hours..as Eboli Virus does NOT survive outside of body and fluids after that time Needs HEAT and blood cells in order to survive) Not to mention his virulent blood level of EBoli is low compared to END STAGE when fluids are full of the virus..

....But I do agree..if nothing but for appearances..GLoves should have been discarded into a isolation-type bag for burnings...

 

[SStarr33]

Check out the PPE in Mali:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29750723

 

[Hatfield]

I agree with that but also propose that when incidents like this happen, it makes no sense to focus retroactively on truly remote possibility scenarios, wringing hands and worrying, "What if someone gets a drop of sweat from a bowling shoe on their sock?" That kind of scenario is so so so very unlikely to result in an infection, it's not really worthy of consideration. Let's focus on the important issues and realistic ones. Such as whether or not to institute a mandatory quarantine of HCW coming from affected countries, getting hospitals ready for the walk in ebola patient, ensuring adequate supplies of proper PPG, etc.

Totally agree.

Sanjay Gupta is even finally coming around too, and talking about how they need to seriously look at possibly putting in procedures to force the true isolation and 21 day monitoring of people that had traveled to Africa and most likely had contact with Ebola victims.

The CDC going to the bowling alley tomorrow is most likely overkill. However, if I lived there, I would probably not bowl a few frames there at least for a few months....LOL

 

[SStarr33]

LOL...I guess IF you are a dumpster diver and come across such trash..It better be within 4-6 hours..as Eboli Virus does NOT survive outside of body and fluids after that time Needs HEAT and blood cells in order to survive) Not to mention his virulent blood level of EBoli is low compared to END STAGE when fluids are full of the virus..

....But I do agree..if nothing but for appearances..GLoves should have been discarded into a isolation-type bag for burnings...

If it is only for appearances, then why do they incinerate the barely used ebola gloves at the hospital? Why even put them in biohazard? It is way more expensive.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

He had no vomiting or diarrhea in his apartment, so all those exclamation points seem a little hyperbolic to me, quite frankly. He merely presented with a fever in that apartment. The virus appears first in the blood, then later in vomit and feces, later in sweat. Let's not exaggerate the risk here.

Totally irresponsible and if you think that's hyperbole, so be it!!!!!

 

[Yoda]

Spencer first began feeling tired on Tuesday but did not develop a fever until Thursday morning.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201...r-ebola-as-deadly-virus-arrives-new-york-city