Ebola outbreak - general thread #8

[SStarr33]

Sez who. Other than the unfounded assumptions on this site, of course.

"She agreed to finish out the remainder of a 21-day quarantine at her boyfriend’s Fort Kent home." NY Post story

"A nurse who was confined against her will at a hospital in New Jersey after treating Ebola patients in West Africa is in Maine, where state officials said she's agreed to be quarantined, officials said Tuesday." AP story

"Maine officials said they expected Ms. Hickox to self-quarantine at a rental house she shares with her boyfriend in Fort Kent, Me., a potato-farming community about three hours outside Bangor, the nearest city.

"She was cooperating with Maine public-health officials and had agreed to stay in her home and not venture into large public spaces, her attorney, Steven Hyman of New York, said Monday night. " WSJ story

That was yesterday. I guess she changed her mind.

 

[winnnancy]

OMG. People are really going overboard with this. He can't possibly be infected right now. She doesn't show any symptoms. She tested negative twice. She can't infect him unless she starts showing symptoms.

If you were making policy.
would you want to risk being wrong with millions of lives potentially in the balance?
She may be negative but there have been others who returned negative who later became ill. This experience has shown that it is wise to be prudent than risk the expense, mass hysteria and, nightmare of tracking contacts and the logistics of providing care should any number of people contract the disease.
Realistically, she voluntarily went to an endemic area and accepted risk. ( she very well could have caught the disease and died) A 21 day quarantine in light of recent events is not punitive or unreasonable and common sense should prevail. ( I don't visit my grandmother in a nursing home when I have a cold)

 

[faw720]

Apparently the press conference with Amber will happen 1PM EDT, 12 noon CDT.

 

[faw720]

OMG. People are really going overboard with this. He can't possibly be infected right now. She doesn't show any symptoms. She tested negative twice. She can't infect him unless she starts showing symptoms.

Every good story requires a villain. First it was Mr. Duncan & Louise, now Kaci............eventually it will be someone else.

 

[winnnancy]

Every good story requires a villain. First it was Mr. Duncan & Louise, now Kaci............eventually it will be someone else.

Human nature and lessons to base policy on, lol.

 

[Sweet Fox]

Sez who. Other than the unfounded assumptions on this site, of course.

One of Hickox's lawyers, Steve Hyman, said he expected her to remain in seclusion for only the "next day or so" while he works with Maine health officials.

Also, it was reported that her mother asked her if she thought she would be quarantine when she returned to Maine. Her response was something to the effect, LOL, it's NOT going to happen.

 

[Sweet Fox]

Lawmaker claims plans may be in pipeline to bring non-citizens to US for Ebola treatment.

Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, told Fox News that his office has received "information from within the administration" that these plans are being developed. So far, only American Ebola patients have been brought back to the U.S. for treatment from the disease epicenter in West Africa.

Judicial Watch also reported, shortly before Goodlatte sent the letter, that the administration is "actively formulating" plans to bring Ebola patients into the U.S., with the specific goal of treating them "within the first days of diagnosis."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...peline-to-bring-non-citizens-to-us-for-ebola/

 

[SteveS]

If you were making policy.
would you want to risk being wrong with millions of lives potentially in the balance?

"Millions of lives potentially in the balance"? Sheesh, the drama.

There is NO risk at this point, and for the foreseeable future. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Not even a teeny tiny small little tiny bit. There is the same degree of risk to these college students of catching something right now from him, and for the foreseeable future, as there is to someone living in Australia.

If that changes, there will be a sizable window of opportunity in which to act and take protective steps just to be sure. Sizable, as maybe about a week, or more, before any risk whatosever can possibly arise.

The hysteria is stupid.

 

[SteveS]

Also, it was reported that her mother asked her if she thought she would be quarantine when she returned to Maine. Her response was something to the effect, LOL, it's NOT going to happen.

That was quite a few days ago, before any of this drama ever began. Attitudes can change, when situations change. The ptb's in Maine are reporting Hickox has agreed to comply, it's been widely reported, and that's the most recent info we have.

There's one other very important point. For all her squawking, there's never been a single item to suggest that Hickox has or will defiantly violate whatever the rules are. She may push to have them amended, but the rules only matter if they impact your behavior because you know you have to follow them and intend to do so.

 

[annahanna]

Sez who. Other than the unfounded assumptions on this site, of course.

"She agreed to finish out the remainder of a 21-day quarantine at her boyfriend’s Fort Kent home." NY Post story

"A nurse who was confined against her will at a hospital in New Jersey after treating Ebola patients in West Africa is in Maine, where state officials said she's agreed to be quarantined, officials said Tuesday." AP story

"Maine officials said they expected Ms. Hickox to self-quarantine at a rental house she shares with her boyfriend in Fort Kent, Me., a potato-farming community about three hours outside Bangor, the nearest city.

"She was cooperating with Maine public-health officials and had agreed to stay in her home and not venture into large public spaces, her attorney, Steven Hyman of New York, said Monday night. " WSJ story

This is the full quote from her attorney from the WSJ story:
She was cooperating with Maine public-health officials and had agreed to stay in her home and not venture into large public spaces, her attorney, Steven Hyman of New York, said Monday night. But he declined to call it a “quarantine” and said she was still trying to arrive at a “reasonable resolution” as to how long those self-imposed restrictions would last.

“She is not contagious and therefore does not need to be in isolation,” Mr. Hyman said. “That she may be voluntarily willing to do it is an issue that remains for her to decide.”

In context, that is quite different from the quoted implication that she was "cooperating".

I honestly don't think that people are trying to make her into a villain. She is accomplishing that all by herself with the deceptions and outright falsehoods that she has inserted into the conversation. The NJ policy has not changed for her or because of her. From the beginning, the policy was written to allow NJ residents to quarantine in their own homes and non-residents to either be transported to their homes for quarantine or quarantined in NJ - possibly in a hospital. She was in the hospital because she displayed a symptom (fever) at the airport. (Yes, I know she says she did not have one but she also says she was in a tent in the parking lot and we know that is not true.). She has now insisted on being transported to a small farming community where nobody seems to know her, to maybe self-isolate (if she decides to), bring a media circus to town, and potentially disrupt medical services for all if she (God forbid) does become symptomatic because the small hospital is not outfitted appropriately to care for her. She did not like being in the negative pressure isolation tent inside the hospital at the University Hospital in NJ? I can't imagine she is going to like the accommodations in rural Maine much better.

 

[Sweet Fox]

The ptb's in Maine are reporting Hickox has agreed to comply, it's been widely reported, and that's the most recent info we have.

No, the most recent and accurate info we have is what her lawyer just said. Hickox's lawyers, Steve Hyman, said he expected her to remain in seclusion for only the "next day or so".

 

[Lyra500]

This thread is supposed to be about Ebola.

Are there any links suggesting this individual has Ebola?

Whilst people are working themselves up into a frenzy about one nurse who as yet has no sign of having Ebola, people continue to die by their hundreds in West Africa.

This is a short BBC film following a collection team and patient in Liberia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29797263

The local and overseas people working in the treatment centres, collecting the sick and deceased from their homes and working in the burial teams have my unalloyed admiration. They continue to turn up for work knowing the risks but wanting to do their bit for the country.

 

[SteveS]

The ptb's in Maine are reporting Hickox has agreed to comply, it's been widely reported, and that's the most recent info we have.

No, the most recent and accurate info we have is what her lawyer just said. Hickox's lawyers, Steve Hyman, said he expected her to remain in seclusion for only the "next day or so".

There is nothing in that lawyer-speak quote that says Hickox will not comply with whatever the rules are. The clear intimation is that they are going to try to get the rules relaxed, which is the same thing we saw with her in NJ: she squawked loudly for change (and eventually got it), but complied fully.

 

[Elley Mae]

Nurse released from quarantine won’t immediately return to Fort Kent home

http://www.pressherald.com/2014/10/...tine-wont-immediately-return-to-ft-kent-home/

Reporters and photographers from New York, Massachusetts and Maine gathered across the street from Wilbur’s home on Violette Settlement Road early Tuesday morning alongside a row of cars and trucks, some with media logos on their sides.

Phinney said he was unsure how Wilbur and Hickox were traveling to Maine, but he said he was informed that they were in contact with federal health officials.

 

[atthelake]

Apparently the press conference with Amber will happen 1PM EDT, 12 noon CDT.

20 minutes.

As an aside, as a graduate of Emory I get the "Emory Magazine" quarterly. In the most recent edition, the magazine (more pages than usual) has special reports on Ebola. Some very interesting articles on their Ebola patients, communications, and other ancillary support. The magazine can be found online at
www.emory.edu/magazine

Taking on Ebola -

Ebola - From Microscope to Spotlight In this special report, find out how and why three Americans infected with Ebola virus were brought for treatment in the Serious Communicable Disease Unit at Emory University Hospital - and meet the people who helped them survive Page 18-27

Flight for Life - What it takes to fly an Ebola patient safely back from Liberia Page 20

Forward Thinker - What it takes to study Ebola in depth Page 22

Telling the Store - What it takes to repond to unprecedented media coverage and public interest page 24

Doc of the Day - What it takes to care for patients with Ebola virus while president Obama visits page 26

On the Front Lines - What it takes to fight Ebola in West Africa page 27

Video : How Ebola Starts page 42

More Ebola News: Page 18




Presser in less than 10 minutes

 

[Sweet Fox]

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This is the full quote from her attorney from the WSJ story:
She was cooperating with Maine public-health officials and had agreed to stay in her home and not venture into large public spaces, her attorney, Steven Hyman of New York, said Monday night.

So she only agreed to not venture into large public places. Notice the word LARGE public places!!! IOW, she did NOT agree to stay away from all public places, i.e small coffee shops, stores, banks etc.

What a pathetic joke. What right does this obnoxious woman have to dictate to health officials and our political representatives, what she will or will not agree to.

 

[SStarr33]

Weird, when you google "Kaci Hickox" "private plane" a bunch of stories come up, so I am not sure what really happened.

 

[jjenny]

Article on patient zero. How did 2 year old get Ebola?

"Before the virus ravaged West Africa, before the deaths soared into the thousands, before the outbreak triggered global fears, Ebola struck a toddler named Emile Ouamouno."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/28/health/ebola-patient-zero/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[Muffet]

I think the American public has seen enough arrogant, yet mistaken (thus changing) claims and careless behavior from "professionals" for it to be understandable that they don't have much trust left.

"We KNOW" is tossed around and passed along to support ideological positions - not scientifically proven facts.

There is no such thing as zero risk. They are going by a Bayesian, calculated risk. Physicians have become used to thinking in those terms, mostly because of time and $ limitations. Insurance companies. Scientists do not. Individuals should not forget the difference.

Would I fly without fear on a frontier jet after Amber or ride the subway after the doc? Yes. (ETA - as long as I have my wipes. And I wouldn't want my kids to go in or ask others to. It's a measured risk.)

Would I have sex with or kiss anyone exposed to ebola, regardless of symptoms? Heck no.

Symptoms are not as hard and fast a line as people wish. Some ebola patients remain asymptomatic. We have no data on them.

Fever is not the first symptom in about 10% of Ebola victims.

Many, many other viral infections are contagious before the patient shows symptoms. From the flu to HIV.

In EBOV, from the moment of inoculation, the virus is amplifying in the body at an insane rate, as it works to both use and suppress the immune response. It takes a single virion to infect you. You have billions in you before you show symptoms.

That is why even the CDC recommends the expensive, exhausting tracking of contacts and cleaning upon exposure to an Ebola patient who has only just developed even a low grade fever.

Too many forget the cost of tracking and cleaning alone.

I was angry at the bumbling of the initial quarantine attempt in NJ. It was obviously going to backfire.

But this... nurse has not only exaggerated, but she has outright stated her strong ideological opposition to any quarantine. Period. She has already, through her lawyer, shown that what she agrees to yesterday will be fought today.

All these arrogant, selfish attitudes and displays cause citizens not to trust. If we don't want people to overreact - if we want them to relax and trust, then earn trust. Stop pretending to know what can and cannot happen.

The truth is not that scary. Constantly pinging people's hinky meters is.

 

[Muffet]

I got so sidetracked ranting about the nonsense out there, I almost forgot to post the reason I dropped in. :crazy:

New Rapid Test for Ebola Gets FDA Approval

http://m.thefiscaltimes.com/all/2014-10-28-new-rapid-test-ebola-gets-fda-approval#3