Elizabeth Johnson's Court Hearings & Charges

[artsy1]

And just wait until EJ sees TPS's transcripts where Atty Lee kept claiming over and over that we all KNOW that EJ killed Gabriel, and wanted the knife tested.... Sounded to me like he was trying to get EJ set up with murder charges filed in AZ, since TX won't do it. :what:

She probably already heard about it, and that's why she's anxious now to get Judge Kreamer to recuse himself. It's a 360 from earlier letters she sent him claiming he was a fair judge....

 

[artsy1]

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...rtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2010-101760


Ok, so it looks like this is where the court received EJ's letter (I looked up Pro Per Mail on Google, and found it has to do with inmate's mail):


7/20/2012

PPM – Pro Per Mail - Party (001)

8/3/2012

Defendant (2)



(Elizabeth is listed at the top as defendant, party 2)

 

[saba]

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082012/m5366298.pdf

8/6/2012 MINUTE ENTRY


In Part...

Discussion is held as to the State’s Motion to Admit Other Acts Under Rule 404(b), Ariz.R. Evidence.

IT IS ORDERED granting the Motion in part. For the reasons set forth on the record,

IT IS ORDERED granting acts numbers 2, 4, 5 and 6 as set forth in the State’s Reply, pursuant to Rule 404(B).

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED denying the State’s Motion as to acts 1 and 3.

Discussion is held as to Defendant’s Motion in Limine to Exclude Text Messages and Limit Recording. For the reasons set forth on the record,

IT IS ORDERED denying Defendant’s Motion in Limine to Exclude Text Messages and Limit Recording.

Discussion is held as to Defendant’s alleged comments calling baby Gabriel “that thing.” For the reasons set forth on the record,

IT IS ORDERED that the State cannot allege the Defendant referred to Gabriel Johnson as “that thing.”

More at link.

 

[saba]

http://www.kpho.com/story/19242117/missing-baby-gabriels-mom-scolds-judge-in-letter

Missing Baby Gabriel's mom scolds judge in letter
By Phil Benson

This article's pdf link to the letter- thanks kpho!

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kpho/KPHO NEWS/Elizabeth Johnson's letter to judge.pdf

 

[momtective]

http://www.kpho.com/story/19242117/missing-baby-gabriels-mom-scolds-judge-in-letter

Missing Baby Gabriel's mom scolds judge in letter
By Phil Benson

This article's pdf link to the letter- thanks kpho!

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kpho/KPHO NEWS/Elizabeth Johnson's letter to judge.pdf

Rambling, ramblin, rambling ...OMGoodness this girl is nuts! Does she really think this is helping her case? I'll bet her attorneys are livid.

 

[WhatsupAZ]

She concluded by writing, "I'm just not the kind of person who can sit back and say nothing."

Oh puuuleease! Isn't that the reaon that you are in jail, because you CHOSE to sit back and say nothing? This girl!

 

[saba]

Rambling, ramblin, rambling ...OMGoodness this girl is nuts! Does she really think this is helping her case? I'll bet her attorneys are livid.

After reading the entire letter, I think that Elizabeth's latest attorneys are in the same position as Dan Raynak and all her other former attorneys (this is her fourth set). I don't think she has told them anything that adds in any way to the information they have gotten in discovery. Marc Victor has done a good job in getting the child abuse charge dismissed but it was a technical argument that did not depend on EJ's cooperation.

If Elizabeth wants to suggest that this was a scheme cooked up by Tammi Smith, she is really saying that she is guilty of both charges but that her co-conspirator was the dominant force. Who cares which one was the "alpha" female in the conspiracy?

And EJ is delusional if she thinks a letter to Judge K can create an issue for appeal. If a defendant could effect a judge's recusal by writing him a letter, thousands of defendants would immediately write letters to try and judge-shop themselves into a sympathetic jurist's court. It's just not going to happen. This judge has her number and she doesn't like it. That's all.

moo

 

[SAgal]

Perhaps I'm missing something here - But, it appears to me: Elizabeth Johnson needs to sit back, be quiet and allow her attorney to handle her case.

Elizabeth Johnson's attorney succeeded in getting the Child Abuse charge dropped. She's still facing: Kidnapping, Custodial Interferece, and Conspiracy to Commit Custodial Interference.

Since EJ's co-conspirator Tammi Smith was only given the "slap on the wrist" sentence of a 30 Day Jail Sentence, and 3 years Probation for Conspiracy to Commit Custodial Interference ---Why would Elizabeth Johnson want another Judge on her case? Surely Judge Kreamer wouldn't sentence Elizabeth Johnson any more harshly than he sentenced Tammi Smith for the same crime - would he?

 

[daisynae]

I think that Elizabeth is trying to focus blame on Tammi more than her.
If everyone looks at her sooo much she will not be as bad as everyone is saying.
These two are really like 7th graders and the judge is the principal .
whatever happen to them in childhood ( I am sure both have had forms of abuse) stops the emotional growth in groing into a woman.
It is like Elizabeth and Tammi were plotting something did it and were passing notes in a class room and Tammi has already been to the pricipals office and Elizabeth is trying to put more balme on Tammi so that she will be blamed less. Isn't that the way it was back in Jr. High?
Tammi of cource has the best wardrobe. Tacky as it is.
In the end they are only self destructing echother.

 

[ChickenPants]

Perhaps I'm missing something here - But, it appears to me: Elizabeth Johnson needs to sit back, be quiet and allow her attorney to handle her case.

Elizabeth Johnson's attorney succeeded in getting the Child Abuse charge dropped. She's still facing: Kidnapping, Custodial Interferece, and Conspiracy to Commit Custodial Interference.

Since EJ's co-conspirator Tammi Smith was only given the "slap on the wrist" sentence of a 30 Day Jail Sentence, and 3 years Probation for Conspiracy to Commit Custodial Interference ---Why would Elizabeth Johnson want another Judge on her case? Surely Judge Kreamer wouldn't sentence Elizabeth Johnson any more harshly than he sentenced Tammi Smith for the same crime - would he?

I have been wrong in the past. But my perception is that Elizabeth was and is a desperate young woman, passionate, immature and was aware even before she became pregnant with Gabriel that she would not be able to hold up under the demands of motherhood.

Whereas, Tammi's involvement was (is) more predetermined, planned, and self-serving. I recall that is was neither Elizabeth nor Rachel Hoover who approached her and asked for help. SHE was the one who initiated those encounters. She then used whatever resources she had or could patch together to serve her own ends. She stated that her motives were inspired by God in a spirit of charity, but IMO the ultimate gain would be hers. In that light, Elizabeth seems by contrasting operating from a purer motive, if it could be explained like that. She never wanted to become pregnant and knew she could not raise the baby. She and the baby were both pawns in Tammi's malicious attempts to get a baby for herself, which included the crimes of which Tammi has been convicted and Elizabeth charged.

Tammi claims that she acted for good reasons and got swept away into this mess, but I'd say that is more true of Elizabeth, who was manipulated by everybody around her and had nowhere to turn.

Periodically this or that person will rise up and complain that Tammi still exhibits no remorse for her actions. Her appealing the verdict after such a negligible "punishment" is the height of arrogance, IMO.

As for Elizabeth writing to the judge and admonishing him, it seems to me just another immature action by a desperate and passionate young woman who is wanting her own justice. Let's not forget she is locked up while Tammi is basically free. I can see why she would be outraged. And let's face it, most of us felt the same way she does toward this judge and his sentence. She has much more at stake than we do. Really, what choices does she have but to fight and kick and scratch and hope she'd get an attorney like Tammi's who would bat his eyes at her and a judge who would give HER a slap on the wrist as well? Perhaps she figures that since Tammi got off so easy, all the weight is going to fall on her, and that WOULD NOT be fair.

MOO

 

[artsy1]

I have been wrong in the past. But my perception is that Elizabeth was and is a desperate young woman, passionate, immature and was aware even before she became pregnant with Gabriel that she would not be able to hold up under the demands of motherhood.

Whereas, Tammi's involvement was (is) more predetermined, planned, and self-serving. I recall that is was neither Elizabeth nor Rachel Hoover who approached her and asked for help. SHE was the one who initiated those encounters. She then used whatever resources she had or could patch together to serve her own ends. She stated that her motives were inspired by God in a spirit of charity, but IMO the ultimate gain would be hers. In that light, Elizabeth seems by contrasting operating from a purer motive, if it could be explained like that. She never wanted to become pregnant and knew she could not raise the baby. She and the baby were both pawns in Tammi's malicious attempts to get a baby for herself, which included the crimes of which Tammi has been convicted and Elizabeth charged.

Tammi claims that she acted for good reasons and got swept away into this mess, but I'd say that is more true of Elizabeth, who was manipulated by everybody around her and had nowhere to turn.

Periodically this or that person will rise up and complain that Tammi still exhibits no remorse for her actions. Her appealing the verdict after such a negligible "punishment" is the height of arrogance, IMO.

As for Elizabeth writing to the judge and admonishing him, it seems to me just another immature action by a desperate and passionate young woman who is wanting her own justice. Let's not forget she is locked up while Tammi is basically free. I can see why she would be outraged. And let's face it, most of us felt the same way she does toward this judge and his sentence. She has much more at stake than we do. Really, what choices does she have but to fight and kick and scratch and hope she'd get an attorney like Tammi's who would bat his eyes at her and a judge who would give HER a slap on the wrist as well? Perhaps she figures that since Tammi got off so easy, all the weight is going to fall on her, and that WOULD NOT be fair.

MOO

I agree with most of what you said. However, if Elizabeth realized that she couldn't raise Gabriel, she should have just let Logan have him as he wanted. There was no need to go through everything she put him through - she could have just not fought his attempt to get custody.

Instead, no one knows, except Elizabeth, whether Gabriel is alive or dead - and that is not a purer motive. Only Elizabeth can tell the truth of where Gabriel went.

 

[ChickenPants]

I agree with most of what you said. However, if Elizabeth realized that she couldn't raise Gabriel, she should have just let Logan have him as he wanted. There was no need to go through everything she put him through - she could have just not fought his attempt to get custody.

Instead, no one knows, except Elizabeth, whether Gabriel is alive or dead - and that is not a purerthe motive. Only Elizabeth can tell the truth of where Gabriel went.

I agree with you, too; when I meant "purer" motive I meant - less complicated. I often wonder if things would not have settled down with that custody battle eventually if Tammi had not interfered, throwing everything off and IMO the putting her own pressure on both EJ and Logan. But I doubt it. When I think of all of the violence in their relationship and the sad life Gabriel had it makes me shudder.

All of the back and forth manipulation with Logan seems to be the classic boyfriend-girlfriend drama that is the status quo with this generation, just IMO. I would like to know the WHOLE story, including what was going on when this child was conceived...what, if any, plans were there to make HIM happy? The little one seems to have been a pawn in their makeup and breakup history. Personally I sense that neither of them really wanted him - just WANTED .... HIM....for himself - or were willing to sacrifice anything to take total responsibility for him. Where was there a real commitment to his interests?

But I wasn't there. I can only go by what few facts we know, as they were given to the jury in the Tammi case. And as you say, Elizabeth knows and is not telling.

This was just another baby to Tammi. He was not a person. If he was so loved and wanted by her for himself, she would not have been able to so deftly make the transition to wanting Rachel Hoover's unborn child when she thought the Gabriel adoption wasn't "working out".

I think the fact that Elizabeth was formerly adjudicated incompetent to stand trial has to be factored into the whole scenario, including her recent letter to the Judge. A person doesn't just switch from competent to incompetent like changing clothes. I think she has a long history of mental health issues and I am hoping that more information is revealed during her trial that can shed light on things I don't understand yet.

 

[artsy1]

I agree with you, too; when I meant "purer" motive I meant - less complicated. I often wonder if things would not have settled down with that custody battle eventually if Tammi had not interfered, throwing everything off and IMO the putting her own pressure on both EJ and Logan. But I doubt it. When I think of all of the violence in their relationship and the sad life Gabriel had it makes me shudder.

All of the back and forth manipulation with Logan seems to be the classic boyfriend-girlfriend drama that is the status quo with this generation, just IMO. I would like to know the WHOLE story, including what was going on when this child was conceived...what, if any, plans were there to make HIM happy? The little one seems to have been a pawn in their makeup and breakup history. Personally I sense that neither of them really wanted him - just WANTED .... HIM....for himself - or were willing to sacrifice anything to take total responsibility for him. Where was there a real commitment to his interests?

But I wasn't there. I can only go by what few facts we know, as they were given to the jury in the Tammi case. And as you say, Elizabeth knows and is not telling.

This was just another baby to Tammi. He was not a person. If he was so loved and wanted by her for himself, she would not have been able to so deftly make the transition to wanting Rachel Hoover's unborn child when she thought the Gabriel adoption wasn't "working out".

I think the fact that Elizabeth was formerly adjudicated incompetent to stand trial has to be factored into the whole scenario, including her recent letter to the Judge. A person doesn't just switch from competent to incompetent like changing clothes. I think she has a long history of mental health issues and I am hoping that more information is revealed during her trial that can shed light on things I don't understand yet.

BBM

I totally disagree with that statement.

When EJ got pregnant, Logan left his family behind to take EJ with him to AR to try to make a good life for Gabriel with a better job. My understanding is that it was EJ who wanted to return to AZ, and Logan agreed.

I believe Logan's version on the stand of what happened when he was arrested. Personally, I think he could have won an acquittal of the charges, but he was willing to plead guilty, serve his sentence and then be there for his son - instead of putting EJ and Gabriel through a drawn out trial. The fact that he was given work furlough, to me, shows that even the court believed Logan - but had to sentence him to something because he plead guilty. IMHO, that shows Logan has good character by accepting responsibility and was putting his son first.

Unfortunately, thanks to some loud busybodies on the internet who slammed Logan from day one, without even knowing him or knowing the whole truth (hmm, sounds like someone who just got out of jail did, too, from the day she met EJ), including claiming Logan was not Gabriel's biological father, there were so many lies told about Logan and his family for most people to understand what was really going on if they only listened to the rumor mill.

And as far as people who have bashed Logan for staying with EJ, even knowing that she had mental issues, look at the people who were vocal supporters of Tammi, who now have changed their tune and are speaking out against Tammi. To those people I ask, should we be slamming you for supporting her for so long without knowing the real truth???? And does that mean if you love someone with mental issues, that you should just walk away from them?

I believe Logan did everything in his power to try to take care of Gabriel the best he could. Yes, he made a mistake by not following through on getting sole custody at the first custody hearing, but personally I don't think it would have changed anything. I think EJ would have hemmed and hawed about giving Gabriel to Logan, and left AZ even sooner. Tammi's interference just cranked up the heat.

 

[artsy1]

Sorry if I came off harsh, but with all the pain the McQueary family has been put through for almost 3 years by EJ, Tammi and the internet big-mouths, I get really angry when people make statements about Logan like that.

I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it really upsets me when someone adds more pain to the already overburdened family.

And like I said, because the McQueary family has kept silent while those around were lobbing allegations right and left, no one out there knows what Logan did or didn't think or do about his son. So EJ got WIC - big deal. I know people around here that do, too, even though the fathers are supporting their kids, and doing the best they can for them. Doesn't mean they don't want their kids.

JMO

 

[saba]

BBM

I totally disagree with that statement.

When EJ got pregnant, Logan left his family behind to take EJ with him to AR to try to make a good life for Gabriel with a better job. My understanding is that it was EJ who wanted to return to AZ, and Logan agreed.

I believe Logan's version on the stand of what happened when he was arrested. Personally, I think he could have won an acquittal of the charges, but he was willing to plead guilty, serve his sentence and then be there for his son - instead of putting EJ and Gabriel through a drawn out trial. The fact that he was given work furlough, to me, shows that even the court believed Logan - but had to sentence him to something because he plead guilty. IMHO, that shows Logan has good character by accepting responsibility and was putting his son first.

Unfortunately, thanks to some loud busybodies on the internet who slammed Logan from day one, without even knowing him or knowing the whole truth (hmm, sounds like someone who just got out of jail did, too, from the day she met EJ), including claiming Logan was not Gabriel's biological father, there were so many lies told about Logan and his family for most people to understand what was really going on if they only listened to the rumor mill.

And as far as people who have bashed Logan for staying with EJ, even knowing that she had mental issues, look at the people who were vocal supporters of Tammi, who now have changed their tune and are speaking out against Tammi. To those people I ask, should we be slamming you for supporting her for so long without knowing the real truth???? And does that mean if you love someone with mental issues, that you should just walk away from them?

I believe Logan did everything in his power to try to take care of Gabriel the best he could. Yes, he made a mistake by not following through on getting sole custody at the first custody hearing, but personally I don't think it would have changed anything. I think EJ would have hemmed and hawed about giving Gabriel to Logan, and left AZ even sooner. Tammi's interference just cranked up the heat.

Thanks for your thoughtful post. I would just add that placing Gabriel with the Smiths and then trying to get Logan arrested for kidnapping is not a "classic boyfriend-girlfriend drama" in my world. Examples of Elizabeth's rage behavior have been repeatedly documented but continue to be minimized by her supporters. Elizabeth wants everyone to know that she disappeared her child out of love. What she said at the time, though, was that she wanted to punish Logan for looking at other girls.

So much of the time, the boyfriend-girlfriend drama really does involve male on female abuse. Just not this time. Why can't people get that?

 

[artsy1]

Thanks for your thoughtful post. I would just add that placing Gabriel with the Smiths and then trying to get Logan arrested for kidnapping is not a "classic boyfriend-girlfriend drama" in my world. Examples of Elizabeth's rage behavior have been repeatedly documented but continue to be minimized by her supporters. Elizabeth wants everyone to know that she disappeared her child out of love. What she said at the time, though, was that she wanted to punish Logan for looking at other girls.

So much of the time, the boyfriend-girlfriend drama really does involve male on female abuse. Just not this time. Why can't people get that?

Amen!

 

[ChickenPants]

Thanks for your thoughtful post. I would just add that placing Gabriel with the Smiths and then trying to get Logan arrested for kidnapping is not a "classic boyfriend-girlfriend drama" in my world. Examples of Elizabeth's rage behavior have been repeatedly documented but continue to be minimized by her supporters. Elizabeth wants everyone to know that she disappeared her child out of love. What she said at the time, though, was that she wanted to punish Logan for looking at other girls.

So much of the time, the boyfriend-girlfriend drama really does involve male on female abuse. Just not this time. Why can't people get that?

What constitutes abuse in your world or in my world may be different in someone else's world, and IMO both Elizabeth and Logan were abusive toward one another based on the testimony I heard. One thing I heard was from Logan himself, testifying on the stand about Elizabeth's rage and her trashing of their residences, etc. Logan testified that Elizabeth neglected Gabriel, I don't recall anyone testifying that she abused him, but I feel that neglect is a fine line that crosses over into or becomes abuse. Personally I don't understand reference to people as "Elizabeth supporters", "Logan supporters", or Tammi/former Tammi Supporters, who cares? Either more truth will come out at Elizabeth's trial or it won't, depending on what is or is not "let in"; shame on our judicial system for that, too.

So we know Elizabeth neglected/possibly abused Gabriel, Tammi tried to take him, and while Logan may have relatives who cared or who still care about Gabriel, none of them had him for any length of time or have him now. It would appear that he slipped through Logan's grasp. When I say he was a pawn, I mean that everyone else are adults, he was a helpless infant, and he could do nothing to protect himself from anyone's choices, whether they wanted him or didn't, or changed their minds, or tried to get him back or or give him away or sell him or even kill him. Elizabeth Johnson is still sitting in jail on a million dollars bail, Tammi is out for all intents and purposes free to basically do her own thing (and I'm sure trying to work around her probation) - there was no restitution there, IMO. Life goes on - for them. MOO.

 

[artsy1]

What constitutes abuse in your world or in my world may be different in someone else's world, and IMO both Elizabeth and Logan were abusive toward one another based on the testimony I heard. One thing I heard was from Logan himself, testifying on the stand about Elizabeth's rage and her trashing of their residences, etc. Logan testified that Elizabeth neglected Gabriel, I don't recall anyone testifying that she abused him, but I feel that neglect is a fine line that crosses over into or becomes abuse. Personally I don't understand reference to people as "Elizabeth supporters", "Logan supporters", or Tammi/former Tammi Supporters, who cares? Either more truth will come out at Elizabeth's trial or it won't, depending on what is or is not "let in"; shame on our judicial system for that, too.

So we know Elizabeth neglected/possibly abused Gabriel, Tammi tried to take him, and while Logan may have relatives who cared or who still care about Gabriel, none of them had him for any length of time or have him now. It would appear that he slipped through Logan's grasp. When I say he was a pawn, I mean that everyone else are adults, he was a helpless infant, and he could do nothing to protect himself from anyone's choices, whether they wanted him or didn't, or changed their minds, or tried to get him back or or give him away or sell him or even kill him. Elizabeth Johnson is still sitting in jail on a million dollars bail, Tammi is out for all intents and purposes free to basically do her own thing (and I'm sure trying to work around her probation) - there was no restitution there, IMO. Life goes on - for them. MOO.

BBM

The reason that I care is that most of the misconceptions and lies told about Logan has come from "Tammi supporters". To make comments about whether or not Logan even wanted Gabriel, or that Gabriel never spent any amount of time with Logan's family (even though, if my memory serves me correctly, Logan's father testified about Gabriel spending a lot of time with their family), to me just shows the range of influence that "Tammi supporters" have. Other than the trial, or what Logan has said in the very few number of interviews he's ever done over the past 2 and a half years, most of the information out there about him, again, comes from "Tammi supporters".

Case in point. When Logan found out that Gabriel was missing, he went to the police, and did exactly what they told him to do - to let THEM handle it. Yet Tammi went on tv and also testified that Logan was going to go to SA to get EJ and Gabriel, and since he didn't, that meant he didn't care. WRONG. LE told Logan not to go, and he didn't. He was following what LE told him, unlike someone we all know.

And like I said some months ago, consider the source of most of the lies about Logan. The source who was 100% inaccurate in who I really am; the source who claimed that Logan wasn't Gabriel's father, when a "private" paternity test shows he is; the source who passed around a photo of an old boyfriend of EJ's claiming he was the real father; the source who claimed that Logan wasn't fit to raise Gabriel because he's been in jail, when her own son has been in and out of prison a lot more and with a lot more time than Logan ever has.... Need I go on?

That's why I bring "Tammi supporters" into this.

I have followed this case from day one, read everything I could about the case, done plenty of my own "armchair sleuthing", etc. I don't know how many people who have made negative comments about Logan and/or his family can say that.

JMHO

 

[artsy1]

And I guess my other issue is that with all the pain that all of the McQueary family members have been put through because of EJ and TPS, I don't know why anyone with half a heart would want to say anything negative about them - especially things you can't prove - and cause them deliberate pain on top of what they've already suffered.

 

[daisynae]

BBM

The reason that I care is that most of the misconceptions and lies told about Logan has come from "Tammi supporters". To make comments about whether or not Logan even wanted Gabriel, or that Gabriel never spent any amount of time with Logan's family (even though, if my memory serves me correctly, Logan's father testified about Gabriel spending a lot of time with their family), to me just shows the range of influence that "Tammi supporters" have. Other than the trial, or what Logan has said in the very few number of interviews he's ever done over the past 2 and a half years, most of the information out there about him, again, comes from "Tammi supporters".

Case in point. When Logan found out that Gabriel was missing, he went to the police, and did exactly what they told him to do - to let THEM handle it. Yet Tammi went on tv and also testified that Logan was going to go to SA to get EJ and Gabriel, and since he didn't, that meant he didn't care. WRONG. LE told Logan not to go, and he didn't. He was following what LE told him, unlike someone we all know.

And like I said some months ago, consider the source of most of the lies about Logan. The source who was 100% inaccurate in who I really am; the source who claimed that Logan wasn't Gabriel's father, when a "private" paternity test shows he is; the source who passed around a photo of an old boyfriend of EJ's claiming he was the real father; the source who claimed that Logan wasn't fit to raise Gabriel because he's been in jail, when her own son has been in and out of prison a lot more and with a lot more time than Logan ever has.... Need I go on?

That's why I bring "Tammi supporters" into this.

I have followed this case from day one, read everything I could about the case, done plenty of my own "armchair sleuthing", etc. I don't know how many people who have made negative comments about Logan and/or his family can say that.

JMHO

Wow, I did not know her son was in and out of jail, What was he in jail for and
how long? Thanks for the update!

I think that Tammi and her "supporters" did have to do with the bad reputation that was put out there about Logan. It is evil to try and say that he was never the father. Even after a baby goes missing and then to pile on more and more lies to try and save herself!