Ellen Degeneres under fire for giving away dog

  • #41
IF ONLY THE FOLKS THAT HANDLE PAROLE WOULD BE SO DILIGENT!!!

There's something wrong in our society when an agency that handles a dog adoption is more on top of the situation that our legal agencies that are supposed to monitor criminals out on parole.

This is just a ridiculous waste of time. I am Ellie May. I love animals, but putting this kind of time and energy and drama into a dog adoption is just stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does.
 
  • #42
Many rescue groups have great intentions. But their attitude is totaltarian. I don't adopt from rescue groups because after paying a HUGE adoption fee, that sometimes are around a thousand dollars, I never would truly own the dog. All you really are is a glorified foster parent.

There's also been an increasing backlash against rescue groups that's been landing them in court. More and more these rescue groups are turning out to be nothing more than a puppy mill. They are a money making scam with a non-profit tax status. Then you have the groups who have no idea what they are doing. These groups are increasingly being shut down because the living conditions are horrible.

Interestingly, when you google Mutts and Moms, it leads you to Petfinder, who no longer lists Mutts and Moms on it's site. Hmmmm. I wonder if anyone has checked into the background of these yahoos to make sure the animals are being taken care of and treated properly.
 
  • #43
Many rescue groups have great intentions. But their attitude is totaltarian. I don't adopt from rescue groups because after paying a HUGE adoption fee, that sometimes are around a thousand dollars, I never would truly own the dog. All you really are is a glorified foster parent.

There's also been an increasing backlash against rescue groups that's been landing them in court. More and more these rescue groups are turning out to be nothing more than a puppy mill. They are a money making scam with a non-profit tax status. Then you have the groups who have no idea what they are doing. These groups are increasingly being shut down because the living conditions are horrible.

Interestingly, when you google Mutts and Moms, it leads you to Petfinder, who no longer lists Mutts and Moms on it's site. Hmmmm. I wonder if anyone has checked into the background of these yahoos to make sure the animals are being taken care of and treated properly.

Holy crap, if you are paying a thousand dollars or anywhere NEAR that, then there is definitely something wrong with the organization! It makes me sad to think that there are groups out there masking themselves as rescue groups when they are not. I can tell you that Lowcountry lab rescue and Atlanta Animal Rescue Friends is made up of volunteers and the fees are pretty much the costs of what it would cost you to spay/neuter and get shots.
 
  • #44
Many groups justify the high adoption costs by saying that it's to cover medical care of the rescue animal in question, or to cover costs for other animals. But who is checking to see if that is true? Then there is the heartwrenching rescue animal in need of donations. Does the animal even exist? There are a couple of them I followed up on and never got an email back. There are many legit organizations out there. But with little oversite and accountability, be very careful.
 
  • #45
This kind of reminds me of the story of our "Howie".

Howie showed up in our driveway one July day about three years ago. He was a six to eight month old puppy and just an adorable golden retriever mix. After calling the shelter and letting them know of a found dog, we decided to foster him.

Well, the "foster" idea didn't last long. He found his way into our hearts and became the best bud of our dane. We knew the foster thing was out the window when he decided our bed was his, among other cuteness factors.

He did have one bad issue. He was a runner like you wouldn't believe. If we took off after him immedietly, we were usually in luck. The bad ones were when he'd take off and get a few minutes head start before anyone noticed. The worst one was when he was gone for three heartbreaking days. A co-worker of mine found him in a round-a-bout way. Her brother's best friend told her about a dog they had found and put in a neighbor's yard, who happened to be on vacation at the time. Turned out it was less than a mile from our house, and yes it was Howie. Saved me the three hundred dollars to put an ad in the local paper!

A few months after that, Howie ran off again. This time someone picked him up and thankfully took him to the shelter. I found him there in a kennel run, dirty and contrite, and went to the front desk to bail him out. When I arrived I got quite a suprise.

They wouldn't release him to me! Turns out he had originally, two years earlier, been adopted out by this shelter. He was microchipped to someone who lived about thirty miles away. So began the story of "Ojo".

"Ojo", now Howie, in his first six months of life went through four homes, at least. We know this because when they found the original owner, he had given him to someone, whom we called, who had given him to someone, whom we called. . . . etc. The original owner, who signed paperwork saying that if he didn't want him would return him to the shelter, refused to come in now and sign any paperwork re-releasing him. So our Howie had to sit at the shelter in limbo until they could come to a decision on what to do with him.

A very smart caseworker came up with an idea. At her request, I brought in documentation from my pet sitter, documentation from the vets' office, and numerous pics of Howie in his home environment lounging on our couch and hugging with the kiddos. This did the trick, and they let Howie be adopted as officially ours. He's now microchipped to us, adopted to us, and is now listed as "Howie" instead of "Ojo".

My point with this story is that common sense goes a long way. The shelter people here could have been militant and kept him. They could have held onto him for weeks until a council decided his fate. Instead, they saw the situation for what it was and acted in the best interest of Howie.

It would have taken this caseworker about a half an hour to go to the hairdresser's house and verify that this was a good home for Iggy. Instead, she used her title as "owner" of this dog's future to put him back in limbo.

I am very sad about his, thinking of how sad Howie looked in that kennel, knowing that he wanted to be with his family. I'm sad for those kids, cause I know how it is. I had to go out into the parking lot of the shelter that first night and let them know that although Howie was safe, he wasn't coming home with us that night. They bawled their eyes out. I could console them, but I couldn't do a darn thing for the dog that we loved, sleeping on a cold cement floor in a place of unfamiliar smells and sounds.

I hope this woman comes off of her high horse and does what is right, both for Iggy and for the family involved. I understand protocol, but when a life is involved, common sense should prevail.
 
  • #46
I can see both sides of this, mostly because it sounds like a good family that Ellen gave the puppy too. Still, having worked around a few rescues, you would be surprised to find out how many people adopt a dog and realize they can't keep it, so they give it to a friend, only to find that now the friend can't keep it. The dog ends up in a horrible shelter where the original rescue ends up rescuing him again.
 
  • #47
I can see both sides of this, mostly because it sounds like a good family that Ellen gave the puppy too. Still, having worked around a few rescues, you would be surprised to find out how many people adopt a dog and realize they can't keep it, so they give it to a friend, only to find that now the friend can't keep it. The dog ends up in a horrible shelter where the original rescue ends up rescuing him again.

Thank you KrisNine. I appreciate your post.
 
  • #48
You can watch the video of Ellen on Yahoo news..
She is very clearly upset.

I am more concerned that one of you reported that petfinder no longer has this orgs pets listed...
 
  • #49
I've worked with rescues in the past, & I will say that some of the people doing rescue are loons. I did transportation for one rescue that shall remain nameless. I also pulled dogs out of bad homes , & I was a local contact for the shelter for the breed. Some of the people working in these rescues are over the top nuts. I think this rescue could have handled this better, perhaps contacting the family & making arangements for the family to adopt the dog 'legally'.

When I had my dd, I stopped doing rescue. I was on a mailing list & before I become a mom, whenever they needed I would volunteer. Not one person that I was invloved with through rescue even bothered to send me an e-mail asking how me or my baby were doing. They were buddy buddy with me when they needed my help with a dog. After the baby came it would have been nice to get one 'hey how are you, how's the baby?' e-mail.
 
  • #50
When I had my dd, I stopped doing rescue. I was on a mailing list & before I become a mom, whenever they needed I would volunteer. Not one person that I was invloved with through rescue even bothered to send me an e-mail asking how me or my baby were doing. They were buddy buddy with me when they needed my help with a dog. After the baby came it would have been nice to get one 'hey how are you, how's the baby?' e-mail.

So...how's the baby? How are you? ;)
 
  • #51
I worked for our local shelter for 10 months and we did place many dogs with rescues so they would not have to be euthanized. The "contract" that we have folks sign is basically the same out of the book contract the rescues use. Many of you mentioned how this rescue was overstepping its rights by removing the dog and I tend to agree, but had this dog actually turned out to be the dog from hell, that nifty contract releases the shelter or rescue from any lawsuits. That is it's first and primary duty. Ellen adopted a dog, hey thats great and she found it a loving home, also great. The dog attacks one of the kids and it suddenly becomes a legal battle and who ends up being held accountable? The shelter or the rescue for not following thru on procedure or Ellen, for not following her contract? It's a double edge sword, no matter how you slice it and the rescue was just legally covering their butts.
 
  • #52
sadiemae I remember when we lived in Ft.Hood a neighbor of ours adopted a dog from the shelter (can't remember which one) and it was required she got the dog fixed in a certain amount of time. She did NOT get the dog fixed and to her surprise she got a notice to appear in court in her mailbox! They don't play..anyway the only reason I know about that is because she didnt speak any english and had to have my husband translate the paperwork for her.
They adopted from the Killeen pound where I got Apache from. The animal must be spayed/neutered, if not already, and given all shots within 30 days. You must take proof back to the shelter or they will send you a summons.
 
  • #53
We always wanted a German Shepherd so while living in Texas I put an application in for a GS from a GS rescue..they never called me back. I did this 3 times and got nothing in return from them. I finally ended up going to the mall one day and I saw my girl sitting in a cage behind the glass in the pet store. I got her right then and there paid $475 for her and she has been just the biggest joy to our family since day one! She is 4 now. I wanted to rescue one because I feel so bad for them dogs but in reality I guess I kinda rescued Sadie too when you think about it.
 
  • #54
I've worked with rescues in the past, & I will say that some of the people doing rescue are loons. I did transportation for one rescue that shall remain nameless. I also pulled dogs out of bad homes , & I was a local contact for the shelter for the breed. Some of the people working in these rescues are over the top nuts. I think this rescue could have handled this better, perhaps contacting the family & making arangements for the family to adopt the dog 'legally'.

When I had my dd, I stopped doing rescue. I was on a mailing list & before I become a mom, whenever they needed I would volunteer. Not one person that I was invloved with through rescue even bothered to send me an e-mail asking how me or my baby were doing. They were buddy buddy with me when they needed my help with a dog. After the baby came it would have been nice to get one 'hey how are you, how's the baby?' e-mail.


I hear ya, Loving. It seems like some people care more about animals than the humans around them, and get singularly obsessed with animals. I have also seen this. All this red tape that sounds common to rescue organizations defies common sense when, as in this case, something as simple as checking the hairdresser out and re-adopting out the dog to her would achieve a right result. How complex could it be, really? Put the new family on probation and check again in a couple of months and then finalize (or deny) the adoption, but why take the dog away from a perfectly good home?

Eve
 
  • #55
why take the dog away from a perfectly good home?

Exactly. This could have been handled in a much more sensible way with the new family being checked out and allowed to keep the dog. However, the rescue organization probaby doesn't like to hear that their rescue dogs have been passed around.
 
  • #56
Oh for goodness sakes. :waitasec:Is this a joke? Leave Ellen alone and give the doggy back to whoever Ellen gave it to.
 
  • #57
Snip
Not at home right now, what did Ellen say about it?

I have adopted 2 cats from one shelter, so I don't have a whole lot of experience in this. However, I did have to sign a paper and it included a rule that I could not give the animal away.

I think this is silly since you can buy a pet from a pet store and there are no rules attached to it. If an animal needs a home, it needs a home.
IMO, since he doesn't get the attention he deserves and if someone else can do that, then it's better for my pet. In the end, that's what matters.
Do you know where the pet stores get their puppies??? Are you aware of the deplorable conditions the breeding dogs live under at puppy mills?


Many rescue groups have great intentions. But their attitude is totaltarian. I don't adopt from rescue groups because after paying a HUGE adoption fee, that sometimes are around a thousand dollars, I never would truly own the dog. All you really are is a glorified foster parent.

Interestingly, when you google Mutts and Moms, it leads you to Petfinder, who no longer lists Mutts and Moms on it's site. Hmmmm. I wonder if anyone has checked into the background of these yahoos to make sure the animals are being taken care of and treated properly.
Thousands?? I would look into adopting at another rescue! The Dane rescue I worked with recently spent thousands to rehabilitate a deformed dog's hips... $4,000 for surgery. One dog bloated...and I know surgery for that is $2,500. Even with our vet discounts the costs are high when we usually have 35-60 dogs in rescue. Our adoption fees are only $150-200 a dog. To spay and get shots cost that much alone, which is done as soon as the dog comes to rescue. First off I would only go with rescue that is 501C nonprofit. We do many fundraisers all year and all dogs are in private homes for evaluation until they are adopted. We have had to turn dogs down because there aren't enough homes and some volunteers pay out of their own pockets to have a dog boarded with vets until a foster home becomes available so it won't be put to sleep. Everyone has regular jobs and it's all volunteer work for the animals. We on rare occasion have had dogs returned, because the family situation changed, ie divorce, owner's death.

Holy crap, if you are paying a thousand dollars or anywhere NEAR that, then there is definitely something wrong with the organization! It makes me sad to think that there are groups out there masking themselves as rescue groups when they are not. I can tell you that Lowcountry lab rescue and Atlanta Animal Rescue Friends is made up of volunteers and the fees are pretty much the costs of what it would cost you to spay/neuter and get shots.
That's how a real rescue is supposed to work. I questioned that rescue at the beginning of the thread. First, why wasn't the dog already spayed, seems like they wait until the dog gets adopted. As with everything, there are good rescues and some shady ones.
 
  • #58
One of the shelters I support scrapes by on what little they get for the dogs and cats. I buy bags of Pedigree at Pedigree's website and donate them to this rescue. Pedigree matches bag for bag.

Sometimes when you work with rescued animals, you do end up feeling more for animals than you sometimes do for humans. Partly because you see what we as humans do to these dogs and cats. Through no fault of their own, they grow up and aren't as cute as they were as puppies or kittens and off to the pound they go. Or worse, just out of the car on a back road. It's just awful.
 
  • #59
You can watch the video of Ellen on Yahoo news..
She is very clearly upset.

I am more concerned that one of you reported that petfinder no longer has this orgs pets listed...

The video of Ellen made me tear up... :(

The adoption place is listed, but their site is down. I'm sure their servers are unable to handle the traffic this is all causing. I tried to send them an email, or at least post on their message boards, but I couldn't get on.
 
  • #60
I hope they're not getting a lot of hate emails. I really don't think they deserve it. They are not the bad guys. JMO
 

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