Evidence for "Dead body in the Damn Car"

[nitasch]

Good point. actually, IRC, the lab also tested out a pizza. correct?

Have not read all posts, pardon if this is a repeat, but yes, the lab conducted a test on pizza and dead squirrel. I think it was in one of the first big doc dumps last year.

 

[Tuffy]

Someone correct me if I am wrong , but iirc the squirrel story was only told to Amy.

I don't recall Casey telling or texting TL or anyone other than Amy about the "dead squirrel smell" in her car.

The squirrel story was told to Lee also. Casey told him the time they were both in the garage, after the police were called.

 

[2goldfish]

Maybe the jurors will get to visit the car and decide for themselves. We've heard the smell is still present.

This is where I get mad at just how unfair these situations are in such a far reaching manner. The poor jury. why should they have to go through that? they will have to view autopsy photos too. I know I'm pretty sensitive compared to most people but that would devastate me. It's really not fair but I dont see as how there is any way around it.

 

[21merc7]

This is where I get mad at just how unfair these situations are in such a far reaching manner. The poor jury. why should they have to go through that? they will have to view autopsy photos too. I know I'm pretty sensitive compared to most people but that would devastate me. It's really not fair but I dont see as how there is any way around it.

It does seem unfair, but the jurors are weeded out before trial begins. You can say "I just can't do this" and you will not be a juror. Some people can, and some people would love to. The evidence must all be provided so that the balance of state and defense stories is shown to the jurors.

 

[reeseeva]

Maybe the jurors will get to visit the car and decide for themselves. We've heard the smell is still present.

BBM

I heard this also, not long ago, and hopefully it's closed up, and will, for sure, still have the insidious, unmistakable, odor.

I'm sure Jeff Ashton will leave no stone unturned.

 

[nitasch]

Here is the report on the search of the back yard and the use of the two dogs
page 2 specifically

 

[logicalgirl]

Maybe the jurors will get to visit the car and decide for themselves. We've heard the smell is still present.

Thank you CecyB - I was about to post the same thing - but I think they definitely will be expected to visit the car.

 

[Eidetic]

This is where I get mad at just how unfair these situations are in such a far reaching manner. The poor jury. why should they have to go through that? they will have to view autopsy photos too. I know I'm pretty sensitive compared to most people but that would devastate me. It's really not fair but I dont see as how there is any way around it.

I am a sensitive person as well, but I am also an extremely visual person.
I would not feel right convicting and possibly sentencing someone to death without these important pieces.
Visualizing how she may have passed or what her final moments may have been like is much harder for me than reviewing evidence.

As repulsive as the thought is, I would have to look into that car/trunk, smell the infamous smell, see photos of Caylees body after it had rested months on Suburban amongst trash, I would even want to be brought there.

Some people may feel it disrespectful or traumatizing, my opinion is that it is owed to Caylee.

I could deal with putting myself in that uncomfortable position for a few hours. At the end of the day, we can go home and complain about the trivial pains of day to day.
Caylee never had the opportunity to grow up and verbalize that sometimes, life sucks.

The defense is screwed when Caylee wins the hearts of her jury while Caseys ugliness comes out and again alienates her from her peers.

 

[logicalgirl]

I am a sensitive person as well, but I am also an extremely visual person.
I would not feel right convicting and possibly sentencing someone to death without these important pieces.
Visualizing how she may have passed or what her final moments may have been like is much harder for me than reviewing evidence.

As repulsive as the thought is, I would have to look into that car/trunk, smell the infamous smell, see photos of Caylees body after it had rested months on Suburban amongst trash, I would even want to be brought there.

Some people may feel it disrespectful or traumatizing, my opinion is that it is owed to Caylee.

I could deal with putting myself in that uncomfortable position for a few hours. At the end of the day, we can go home and complain about the trivial pains of day to day.
Caylee never had the opportunity to grow up and verbalize that sometimes, life sucks.

The defense is screwed when Caylee wins the hearts of her jury while Caseys ugliness comes out and again alienates her from her peers.

To me this is a truly wonderful and heart felt statement and hitting the thanks button isn't enough. As I am also highly visual, I feel the same way but didn't realize I would want it the same way until you expressed it. Thank you.

 

[Reagan]

Hopefully someone from the State is keeping an eye on this thread and will take note.

Oh I'm very confident the State can do without us lol. Not sure why certain posters think that it was a big deal that Yuri omitted the actual word 'human'.
Yuri didn't have to say 'human' decomposition to make his point. When he stated that he knew the smell because he used to be in homicide, he basically insinuated that he knew the smell of a dead human body. He said human decomposition without actually having/needing to say it.

So according to GA there was a dead body in the trunk of the car...it just wasn't Caylee's right? Okay, so any other dead bodies out there we need to know about? George, who's body was it then?

CA also stated something like, "someone could have put a body in there when it was at the tow yard". Cause you know how often that happens...That's where I stash all my dead bodies.


I don't see the defense getting around the fact that there was a dead body in the damn trunk, and sadly that body was Caylee's.

 

[debbie0604]

According to GA, when he drove the car home from Amscot, CA said "What died?" because the smell was so bad that it was coming into the house. LA described the smell as horrible and said GA had to drive the car home with the windows down in the rain.

Adipocere is "waxy substance" that forms during decomposition and consists of insoluble salts of fatty acids. It is usually found on decomposing bodies in moist places, so if the "adipocere-like material" was found in a plastic bag or on a plastic bag inside of the trunk, that would to me explain that there was decomposition in the trunk (and the maggots and flies were feeding on it).

JMO

 

[impatientredhead]

I think at the end of the day there is a ton of evidence that Caylee's dead body was stored in the trunk, but even IF a juror really doesn't understand the science or is just skeptical of this allegation the fact remains that Casey is not charged with illegally storing a body or abuse of a corpse.

She is charged with killing her daughter.

The rest of the evidence in the case still leads to nowhere other than directly to the mother that did not report her child missing for a MONTH. The same child that was found yards from the home wrapped in layers and layers of evidence that ALL came from the house. I wouldn't personally need to know the pitstops that Casey used along the way to know she killed her daughter.

 

[cyberborg]

I think this all boils down to what the jury will believe.
I also think that it would be stupid for the defense to dispute the smell in the car, but that is just my opinion.

From a juror's point of view, they have to choose which expert is stating forensics from a factual standpoint correct? One of them will say one thing, and the other will say human decomp..
This in my opinion is where any juror who has no forensics background, nor has ever smelled a dead body, must use their common sense. How else could they determine the smell in the car?
With only one expert and Casey's statement about Zenaida taking Caylee, compared to the cadaver dogs, LE, Cindy, George, Lee, Yuri, and the umpteen dozen other people who smelled the "smell", why would the defense even begin to argue the smell?
It seems to me that the longer they dispute the smell in the car, the worse the jurors feel about Casey's guilt..
JMHO

Agreed. A good reason why, after HL's preliminary inspection of the trunk that he never returned to complete his work and disappeared off into the sunset. The Defense decided to walk away from this debate. Score 1-0 to SA.

 

[Oakley]

Isn't the tow yard guy the one who grabbed the white trash bag and said to GA 'here's your smell" Also didn't he say on a scale of one to 10 the suicide car smell was a 10 where the Anthony car was a 6?

Do you recall where he was quoted as saying "Here's your smell?" Only person I've ever heard that from is Cindy. TIA.

 

[Oakley]

No he did not say this exactly. he did say that the car smelled like decomposition .This was his opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLb0RYC1q5o

Thanks JBean for pointing that out. But seriously, as a homicide detective, if not HUMAN decomposition, what other kind of decomposition would he be most familiar with?

 

[cyberborg]

Thanks JBean for pointing that out. But seriously, as a homicide detective, if not HUMAN decomposition, what other kind of decomposition would he be most familiar with?

True. I think the comment was directed more towards precision rather than interpretation. That's all. Obviously common sense comes into play.

 

[Boots-OK]

Someone correct me if I am wrong , but iirc the squirrel story was only told to Amy.

I don't recall Casey telling or texting TL or anyone other than Amy about the "dead squirrel smell" in her car.

Hi, IM - according to Lee, KC told him the squirrel story while the pontiac was still in the A's garage and he was questioning her about the horrible smell.

Not posting a link - but, it's here somewhere, I promise!

(I don't know anything about her texting TL about it either.)

 

[wenwe4]

Do you believe Casey abandoned the car at the Amscot parking lot because she ran out of gas? Mark Furhman showed a video of the Amscot parking lot and there was a gas station within easy walking distance of her car.

IIRC KC told (tony?) she ran out of gas, turned into the amscot and somebody helped her push her car into place. We have never heard of any volunteers come forward to confirm they to helped push her car and I know the car was processed for fingerprints but I don't remember what the results were on the outside of trunk.

 

[carole]

The truth of the matter is that GRANDMA CINDY is the one who finally reported Caylee missing. Casey was caught and Cindy handed the phone to Casey when the 911 operator said let me talk to the mother.

The fact that Casey never reported Caylee missing to ANYONE is the most damning evidence in my opinion. What loving mother - whether scared or threatened or just plain stupid - would go partying and drinking, renting movies with the boyfriend, getting a tattoo, etc. when her toddler daughter can't be found. Answer - no loving mother would!!

 

[cyberborg]

Do you believe Casey abandoned the car at the Amscot parking lot because she ran out of gas? Mark Furhman showed a video of the Amscot parking lot and there was a gas station within easy walking distance of her car.

There was the whole story of KC going with AH to buy a gas can to fill the car but then didn't want to go to the car with AH [speaks volumes]. In doing it alone it seems by then the car was towed.

KC was working VERY hard to keep folks away from the car, making a LOT of personal sacrifices = atypical = smell = not garbage or squirrels = Caylee.

See Note about June 30th:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1095