Evidence for "Dead body in the Damn Car"

[LambChop]

Q12.1 I would think could be identified as Caylee's because of it's very structure. Infants have finer hair than adults and Caylee's hair would not have been color treated. Experts know the difference and they clearly state the hair in the trunk has a death band. The death band portion of the hair is on a slide and has been available for inspection by defense experts. It is in their report.

 

[Tulessa]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18145599/detail.html

 

[InspectorGadget]

...and if she would do something that sneaky and deceitful what else did CA do just as sneaky and deceitful to alter testing and interpretation of the physical evidence?

She's not that smart!

 

[The World According]

I am not a lawyer and certainly not FBI but I do know that is such a thing as
Lying by Omission ... subject of lying, that it is in the USA illegal to lie to a federal law enforcement officer, ...

C'mon, Cindy is lucky she didn't get charged with obstruction once LE had her e mail where she admits they asked her for Caylee's hairbrush, she did indeed have one but CHOSE to give them a different one. In it, Cindy Anthony said, " I never lied I just never went to my bathroom to get the hairbrush that I used only for Caylee." If she is trying to get to the truth and has local, state and federal LE trying to help get her DNA.....what could be a reason she did this?

http://www.wftv.com/news/18145599/detail.html
The jury is going to despise these people!imo

Listen to Lee here, Cindy knew what that smell in the trunk was, and she knew they needed the hair to compare to hair they found in the trunk.[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3lP-Ne7e9k[/ame]

 

[Tulessa]

I am not a lawyer and certainly not FBI but I do know that is such a thing as
Lying by Omission ... subject of lying, that it is in the USA illegal to lie to a federal law enforcement officer, ...

C'mon, Cindy is lucky she didn't get charged with obstruction once LE had her e mail where she admits they asked her for Caylee's hairbrush, she did indeed have one but CHOSE to give them a different one. If she is trying to get to the truth and has local, state and federal LE trying to help get her DNA.....what could be a reason she did this?

I have the letter but don't know how to link it here. It is saved in my computer with the entire dom/mom exchanges that Lee forwarded to Luca that was released in discovery. I am sure someone can post it. You want a funny this morning...that file I have entitled "Dom's would be detective work".

http://www.wftv.com/news/18145599/detail.html

 

[InspectorGadget]

Okay, I can accept that. If the Fbi wants to change defintions of words, that is their perrogative. I wish they wouldn't do that though. I hope they explain to the Jury, because the Jury will probably interpret it wrong knowing the real definition.

Incidentally, I have not seen the Fbi use the words "same as" in these documents. Moo

Oh Crikey! This is so confusing the way they have released these documents.
Does anyone else find it beyond irritating that there is no index and most of them aren't searchable?

If the FBI are basing their comparison on mitochondrial DNA from Q12, and conclude that they are similar, the same, or whatever way you want to put it, wouldn't Casey's and Caylee's mitochondrial dna be similar or the same because they are closely related, meaning the hairs from the trunk could be Casey's? I think the defense will emphasise that it is a very short piece of hair and argue that the discoloration is due to hair dye.

 

[LambChop]

Oh Crikey! This is so confusing the way they have released these documents.
Does anyone else find it beyond irritating that there is no index and most of them aren't searchable?

If the FBI are basing their comparison on mitochondrial DNA from Q12, and conclude that they are similar, the same, or whatever way you want to put it, wouldn't Casey's and Caylee's mitochondrial dna be similar or the same because they are closely related, meaning the hairs from the trunk could be Casey's? I think the defense will emphasise that it is a very short piece of hair and argue that the discoloration is due to hair dye.

LOL. If defense argues that without their experts they are dead in the water. Just not going to fly. There is a difference.

 

[InspectorGadget]

We don't have to say it, LE said it, GA said it, CA said it, SB said it about the trunk of the car and since would be considered experts, they certainly would know that smell. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but given the poll I would say an overwhelming majority believes that Caylee was, in fact, in the trunk of KC's car after her death. Mom has Caylee, Caylee goes missing, Mom cannot provide any reliable information as to how Caylee's remains ended up in the ditch. Gravewax on the papertowel...not looking good. If there were no body in the trunk then why would KC abandon her car.

Because she ran out of petrol, didn't want to piss Tony off, & wanted to spend the weekend with him before he left.

I think, too, the reason we may not have seen Dr. Lee is that he cannot deny what he could smell without sounding incompetent. If he does no future examination there is no need to comment.

Nothing in this case is about one specific thing but this is very damning and if they bring the jury to the car...it's all over. JMO

Also, it is up to the SA to prove their case against KC and so far I think they have done a very thorough job.

I hope so. Let's hope they can come up with a "suitable known hair sample"!

 

[InspectorGadget]

Q12.1 I would think could be identified as Caylee's because of it's very structure. Infants have finer hair than adults and Caylee's hair would not have been color treated. Experts know the difference and they clearly state the hair in the trunk has a death band. The death band portion of the hair is on a slide and has been available for inspection by defense experts. It is in their report.

But it also says consistent, but not 100%

 

[LambChop]

You will never, ever, ever get the FBI Lab to say 100%.

 

[InspectorGadget]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18145599/detail.html

From her email I understand that she went to Casey's or Caylee's bathroom or room & got a hairbrushe that Casey used for Caylee. She didn't think to go to her own bathroom to get the brush that she knows she only used for Caylee. She just picked up one that she thought Casey used for Caylee, one that Casey could also have used.

She was pissed off with the police, for sure. I don't think she lied.

 

[Tulessa]

From her email I understand that she went to Casey's or Caylee's bathroom or room & got a hairbrushe that Casey used for Caylee. She didn't think to go to her own bathroom to get the brush that she knows she only used for Caylee. She just picked up one that she thought Casey used for Caylee, one that Casey could also have used.

She was pissed off with the police, for sure. I don't think she lied.

You're kidding right lol?

 

[Tulessa]

From her email I understand that she went to Casey's or Caylee's bathroom or room & got a hairbrushe that Casey used for Caylee. She didn't think to go to her own bathroom to get the brush that she knows she only used for Caylee. She just picked up one that she thought Casey used for Caylee, one that Casey could also have used.

She was pissed off with the police, for sure. I don't think she lied.

Ooops. I forgot. A mistruth is not a lie.

 

[magnolia]

Doesn't it say that Q12.1 could be from Caylee or Casey? I would think if Casey coloured her hair this could account for the dark root end. Does anybody know if it did have the root on it?

I believe you are incorrect. The report results clearly reference that specimen Q12 exhibits apparent decomposition. Can you provide a link to support your opinion that hair color causes characteristics similar to apparent decomp?

page 2/3329 http://blogs.discovery.com/files/18530294.pdf

 

[Marina2]

Has there ever been a report that excludes LA as the source of the Q12 hair?

 

[joypath]

Not a sneaky trick on Cindy's part IMO. They asked her for Caylee's brush & she gave it to them. How was she to know it had Casey's hair in it? She had a full time job, she didn't have time to hang around the house being the hairbrush police. OCSO didn't ask her to swear on oath only Caylee had used it.

My use of the vernacular "SNEAKY" comes from the information that she BRAGGED that she had a choice of 2 hairbrushes to give them and KNEW that she was providing a mixed sample brush. She was aware of the value of the specifics of primary ownership as it had been explained to her when the choice vector was made (ie: toothbrush, hairbrush, tonguescraper, dentures,retainer, hearing aid, contact lens...getting my drift?). You are ABSOLUTELY correct, Mrs Cynthia M Anthony did NOT raise her hand and declare under oath to LEO that she was obfuscating the investigation, nor would they have assumed that the concerned grandmother of a missing child specifically TRY to challenge the laboratory specialists! but isn't it wonderful how the scientific sommunity can ferret out the facts! (three cheers for MY TEAM!)

 

[ZsaZsa]

Ooops. I forgot. A mistruth is not a lie.

Well, any Grandmother anxious to help find her missing grandchild could be forgiven for smirking when she suggested she should have given investigators the dog's hairbrush.... right? That's only a half lie after all- it is a brush, just not Caylee's.

 

[joypath]

Do you know of any examples of what the defense should be testing or examining?

UMMMMMMMMM How about the samples that IIRC Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky claimed on NG before he was banished that Werner Spitz, M. D. took from his post at the funeral home after the remains were released or any "split samples" from the SA investigation?
And: the good Dr. Lee never mentioned in his TV post-Florida interview if HE retained any samples of his PRELIMINARY vehicular evaluation or if he requested any "split samples" from the SA investigation?

And: Just as a "food for thought note", I'm amazed that Kathy Reichs, Ph. D. was listed as an expert for the defense ASAP yet it was NEVER leaked, identified, whispered about, gossiped, "pillow-talked" or shouted from the roof tops that SHE attended the post Christmas funeral home skeleton evaluation/post mortem/evaluation of the remains, you know....her, the FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST!

 

[joypath]

Doesn't it say that Q12.1 could be from Caylee or Casey? I would think if Casey coloured her hair this could account for the dark root end. Does anybody know if it did have the root on it?

If Q12.1 had a root, nuclear DNA would have been performed vs mtDNA.

 

[Harmony 2]

The defense may have their own experts but they won't be able to do their own testing because the hair from the trunk was used up in the FBI testing, it was only 2.5cm long.

Good morning IG!!

I am not challenging your statement of "It was only 2.5 cm long" I would just like to see that verified. My memory vaguely recalls the hair found on BB's shovel being that long but I may be incorrect. Could you please provide a link and page number to confirm your claim? TIA