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[CuriousGeorgia]

There were abrasions and blood on her fingers so apparently she did try to fight. Since she had four separate hemorrhages to the top of her head, she was either ambushed and knocked unconscious or dazed before they wrapped her up in the blanket and carried her to the hanging room.

These are your hemorrahages" - from the autopsy report:

On the central forehead there is a 1 x 1 3/4 inch group of three vertically oriented, parallel, thin, linear abrasions measuring from inferior to superior, 1/2 inch, 5/8/ inch, and 5/8/ inch (discontinuous), respectively. The most inferior one is within 1/4 inch of the medial edge of the left eyebrow. On the right upper forehead, just past the hairline, there is a 1/4 red abrasion.

Those would not knock ANYONE out. The fact that they are in a parallel, vertical line, seems to suggest they came form the cactus tree. There are very small injuries.

There were no abrasions on her fingers, but there was a tiny amount of blood that was on two fingers of her right hand, according to the autopsy report. Since she had a scratch that was bleeding on her right thigh, it would have been from that, IMO.

 

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DUDE! Did you not see the wall and the prickly tree that she fell into? Not to be mean, but I'm sure her body swung a bit until it came to rest. That tree and that wall would have done all of those injuries just fine.

Respectfully snipped.

No, I really can't see all that happening at all. She had too many areas of damage to be explained from simply falling from the balcony. She would have been too far away to get scratched and bruised in the front and back.

For your scenario to work she would have had to spin around in a circle while swinging side to side. She was too far from the tree and the wall to hit it them both and scratch and bruise all those areas on the front and back of her body. I don't believe that she defied the law of gravity. She is being ascribed with super powers. However I'm not prone to buying into those theories.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

So the dude who was in charge of the Ruby Ridge fiasco gave his take on Cyril Wecht's professional findings. Huh. I'll bet it's fascinating.

And Cyril Wecht gave his professional findings on Whitney Houston's drowning...it was murder, he said.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Question: If AS cut RZ down and performed CPR, how was RZ's dna the only dna on the rope, the shirt, her body, etc?

IMO, Adam would have held Rebecca on one hip with one arm, and used the other to cut the rope. Only the knife blade would have touched the rope. They wouldn't have tested RZ's body for DNA (it would be RS's), but they did check under her nails. Nothing but a slight trace under one nail that was not even high enough to measure.

 

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These are your hemorrahages" - from the autopsy report:

On the central forehead there is a 1 x 1 3/4 inch group of three vertically oriented, parallel, thin, linear abrasions measuring from inferior to superior, 1/2 inch, 5/8/ inch, and 5/8/ inch (discontinuous), respectively. The most inferior one is within 1/4 inch of the medial edge of the left eyebrow. On the right upper forehead, just past the hairline, there is a 1/4 red abrasion.

Those would not knock ANYONE out. The fact that they are in a parallel, vertical line, seems to suggest they came form the cactus tree. There are very small injuries.

There were no abrasions on her fingers, but there was a tiny amount of blood that was on two fingers of her right hand, according to the autopsy report. Since she had a scratch that was bleeding on her right thigh, it would have been from that, IMO.

The injuries you show are external injuries that were found in addition to the four separate parietal scalp hemorrhages found on the autopsy report. You have to look under the section for internal injuries vs external.

 

[gypsychild]

IMO, Adam would have held Rebecca on one hip with one arm, and used the other to cut the rope. Only the knife blade would have touched the rope. They wouldn't have tested RZ's body for DNA (it would be RS's), but they did check under her nails. Nothing but a slight trace under one nail that was not even high enough to measure.

So AS cut down someone hanging and performed CPR and never tried to loosen the rope? Never touched it at all? Seems improbable.
Additionally, how did RZ get so many injuries on her back? The autopsy report has abrasions and contusion all over it. Arms, legs, butt, back... I don't recall how those were explained away...

 

[freespeech]

IMO, Adam would have held Rebecca on one hip with one arm, and used the other to cut the rope. Only the knife blade would have touched the rope. They wouldn't have tested RZ's body for DNA (it would be RS's), but they did check under her nails. Nothing but a slight trace under one nail that was not even high enough to measure.

Adam must have been like an adept Cirque du Soleil performer to perform that move while balancing on a three legged table.

 

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And Cyril Wecht gave his professional findings on Whitney Houston's drowning...it was murder, he said.

We are talking about William Gore here, no? This is the same dude, no? The ex-FBI official who was criticized in a "...900-page report, the joint panel of the House and Senate intelligence committees criticized the pre-Sept. 11 counterterrorism analysis done by the FBI and CIA. The report suggests there were several missed opportunities to foil the attacks, and that alleged intelligence failures were especially obvious in San Diego, where two hijackers were known to a longtime FBI informant.

The report pointed out that the CIA was aware for months that the two men, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, were spotted at an Al Qaeda meeting in Malaysia that preceded the bombing of the U.S. destroyer Cole in 2000. But, the report added, the spy agency did not share its concerns about the two men with the FBI, or its belief that Almihdhar might be in the United States, until Aug. 23, 2001. Three weeks later, the two men were on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Committee members also have raised the possibility that the hijackers received financial assistance from a number of individuals across the United States, including two San Diego men with connections to the Saudi government."

Below is Gore's typically glib and superficial response. No science, logic or factual data needed.

"There was no support network here for the hijackers, they didn't need it," Gore said. "And I think that is why they succeeded."

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/aug/10/nation/na-fbi10

 

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FS. it wasn't exactly a "long drop hanging", as they think she went over vertically, so a broken neck isn't a given. Even in real "long drop hangings" the neck does not always break, so that seems to be a moot point, IMO.

The medical examiner found all of the things you mentioned, and they all proved to him it was a hanging, and that Rebecca was alive when she went over the railing.

It sounds to me like they did a very through investigation...seven weeks with 8 - 15 investigators working around the clock. And they even flew out to talk to the Zahaus in person after they determined it was suicide. They spared no expense, IMO.

BBM

9 feet is considered a long drop hanging. It is longer that an executioner's hanging which is calculated to break the neck without causing decapitation. That is why Cyril Wecht was surprised that she did not have a broken neck and was not decapitated.

 

[freespeech]

The injuries you show are external injuries that were found in addition to the four separate parietal scalp hemorrhages found on the autopsy report. You have to look under the section for internal injuries vs external.

These are your hemorrahages" - from the autopsy report:

On the central forehead there is a 1 x 1 3/4 inch group of three vertically oriented, parallel, thin, linear abrasions measuring from inferior to superior, 1/2 inch, 5/8/ inch, and 5/8/ inch (discontinuous), respectively. The most inferior one is within 1/4 inch of the medial edge of the left eyebrow. On the right upper forehead, just past the hairline, there is a 1/4 red abrasion.

Those would not knock ANYONE out. The fact that they are in a parallel, vertical line, seems to suggest they came form the cactus tree. There are very small injuries.

There were no abrasions on her fingers, but there was a tiny amount of blood that was on two fingers of her right hand, according to the autopsy report. Since she had a scratch that was bleeding on her right thigh, it would have been from that, IMO.

If you read the entire autopsy report you will find that the section under internal injuries documents the four separate parietal scalp hemorrhages that Dr. Wecht stated could have rendered her unconscious. The injuries that you show above are found under external injuries and are additional injuries that Dr. Wecht did not address to my knowledge.

If you continue to read on in the autopsy you will see two sections labeled Left Upper Extremity and Right Upper Extremity. Those show that she had seven abrasions to the right upper extremity and two on the left. Four were on her right hand and two were on two different fingers of the right hand and one was on her right elbow. She also had an abrasion on her left forearm and left middle finger. There were three spots of blood found on two different fingers of her right hand.

I can't believe that all that damage, a total of nine abrasions, came from scratching her thigh.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

BBM

9 feet is considered a long drop hanging. It is longer that an executioner's hanging which is calculated to break the neck without causing decapitation. That is why Cyril Wecht was surprised that she did not have a broken neck and was not decapitated.

In a typical "long drop hanging" as from a gallows, the person falls straight down. RZ went over the balcony in a sideways lean, and did not fall straight down. You would think Mr. Wecht would know that, IMO.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

The injuries you show are external injuries that were found in addition to the four separate parietal scalp hemorrhages found on the autopsy report. You have to look under the section for internal injuries vs external.

Can you please give us the information from the autopsy report that you are referencing?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Adam must have been like an adept Cirque du Soleil performer to perform that move while balancing on a three legged table.

The table broke as he cut her down. You can hear it in the 911 call. He did not have to balance on it, it broke as he cut the rope. Probably from the weight of them both on that side.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

If you read the entire autopsy report you will find that the section under internal injuries documents the four separate parietal scalp hemorrhages that Dr. Wecht stated could have rendered her unconscious. The injuries that you show above are found under external injuries and are additional injuries that Dr. Wecht did not address to my knowledge.

If you continue to read on in the autopsy you will see two sections labeled Left Upper Extremity and Right Upper Extremity. Those show that she had seven abrasions to the right upper extremity and two on the left. Four were on her right hand and two were on two different fingers of the right hand and one was on her right elbow. She also had an abrasion on her left forearm and left middle finger. There were three spots of blood found on two different fingers of her right hand.

I can't believe that all that damage, a total of nine abrasions, came from scratching her thigh.

Ah yes, now I see. They are described as "punctate to 1/16 inches in diameter". Those are tiny and all in accordance with what would have happened if she swung into that cactus tree a time or two, IMO. None of these wounds listed here are severe, mainly punctures or scratches from the tree, IMO.

 

[FrayedKnot]

In a typical "long drop hanging" as from a gallows, the person falls straight down. RZ went over the balcony in a sideways lean, and did not fall straight down. You would think Mr. Wecht would know that, IMO.

Was he there to witness her drop? Because then maybe he could also explain how she hogtied herself, then launched her body over a railing, but gently enough not to snap her neck.

Or perhaps he was giving his professional opinion based on what is an actual possibility and not some cray cray made up crap.

 

[freespeech]

The table broke as he cut her down. You can hear it in the 911 call. He did not have to balance on it, it broke as he cut the rope. Probably from the weight of them both on that side.

Please provide your link to this information.

 

[freespeech]

Ah yes, now I see. They are described as "punctate to 1/16 inches in diameter". Those are tiny and all in accordance with what would have happened if she swung into that cactus tree a time or two, IMO. None of these wounds listed here are severe, mainly punctures or scratches from the tree, IMO.

You are referring to her back wounds and not the defensive wounds found on her hands and arms. The autopsy report proves she was murdered. There are plenty of copies floating around everywhere. If you need a reference pointer then look at the one on the Websleuths reference thread.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Please provide your link to this information.

It is on the 911 call, which is on YouTube.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyGs0d2d-ck"]Adam Shacknai 911 call - YouTube[/ame]

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

You are referring to her back wounds and not the defensive wounds found on her hands and arms. The autopsy report proves she was murdered. There are plenty of copies floating around everywhere. If you need a reference pointer then look at the one on the Websleuths reference thread.

No, I am referring to the wounds on her hands. The autopsy report proves she was murdered? Sorry, but I see where it says "suicide". Signed and dated. I am well aware of the report, but thank you anyway.

 

[FrayedKnot]

It is on the 911 call, which is on YouTube.

Adam Shacknai 911 call - YouTube

Oh thank goodness. YouTube. Now we know it's a pure, unadulterated piece of evidence.

I don't suppose there are any MSM or LE releases with the same "information" in them?

Not trying to be snarky, but YouTube is not exactly reliable. . MOO