Evidence of Heart Shaped Sticker on Duct Tape Destroyed

[MissJames]

back to the heart shaped sticker, I think it was probably there,but won't be used at trial now.I feel certain it was a message left by KC,most likely for Cindy.And I would bet it hit it's mark,as she knew KC better than anyone. I wish it could have been used at trial,but I think it made it's impact ,as intended. just my opinion ,of course.

 

[MissJames]

Here is the story I read. Take it for what it is worth, it Pipitone.
link
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html

Two pieces of DNA were found on the duct tape attached to Caylee's skull, the same brand and type as that one found on a gas can in the Anthony family's east Orange County home, Pipitone reported.
But neither piece shows traces of Casey Anthony, according to documents released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.
One DNA sample was traced to an FBI lab analyst who accidentally contaminated the outside of the duct tape during testing, the documents stated. But an FBI lab report showing a fragment of DNA represented by the number 17 was found on the underside, the adhesive side.
Local 6 showed it and other test results to John Jay College Professor Henrietta Nunno, who said it could be a big break for Casey Anthony's defense team.
"So it's not Casey. It's not Caylee. It's not Cindy. It's not George. And it's not the FBI analyst?" Pipitone asked.
"I would agree with that, yes," Nunno said. "Someone who is not one of those people did leave DNA on the tape. Whether it was the perpetrator of the crime or another person who examined it, I guess we don't know."
The amount of DNA is so small that it can't be used to identify whether it is from another FBI analyst.


Looking for comments on this. Or did I read it wrong.

I'll stick with the actual report.I have been interviewed many times by media ,on foster care and adoption,with actual quotation marks around things I did not say.Things that were factually wrong appeared as fact.I'm surprised that you put your trust there,since you have made it clear you only trust what you hear for yourself. Maybe I am misunderstanding :waitasec:
ps that professor is not related to this case.

 

[lin]

Okay, I dont want to upset anyone here. I have followed this case from the beginning. I will look through the threads, but I am looking for discovery, fbi, osco, anything official that proves they looked for Jeffery Hopkins and not the one that she said wasn't the one. Just give me a link or thread or something other than bloggers that shows proof they actually checked out her story completely. That will help me to believe that you are correct. I realize this is the heart shaped sticker thread and I dont really want to debate things that are rumors. I hope you can help me by starting from the beggining of these threads yourself and maybe both of us can find some type of official evidence. Thank you guys for having patience with me.

Yes, you're correct, this is the heart sticker thread and I too am guilty of going a bit offtopic, so again apologize to everyone. Perhaps a good start for your research would be the threads on JH. Didn't KC say he worked at Universal? Or am I confusing him with someone else? And didn't LE interview the only one that met the criteria laid out by KC?

 

[notthatsmart]

I'll stick with the actual report.I have been interviewed many times by media ,on foster care and adoption,with actual quotation marks around things I did not say.Things that were factually wrong appeared as fact.I'm surprised that you put your trust there,since you have made it clear you only trust what you hear for yourself. Maybe I am misunderstanding :waitasec:
ps that professor is not related to this case.

I agree it is best to stick to the docs and not the reporters. I am not putting my trust into this reporter. That is why I said take it for what its worth, its pipitone.

I would like to appologize for going off topic. The darned heart shape sticker is attached to the duct tape (not phisically) and I keep ending up on the duct tape topic. I am sorry.

Ps that professor is not related to this story, but is there a professor that is?

 

[Spangle]

Here is the story I read. Take it for what it is worth, it Pipitone.
link
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html

Two pieces of DNA were found on the duct tape attached to Caylee's skull, the same brand and type as that one found on a gas can in the Anthony family's east Orange County home, Pipitone reported.
But neither piece shows traces of Casey Anthony, according to documents released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.
One DNA sample was traced to an FBI lab analyst who accidentally contaminated the outside of the duct tape during testing, the documents stated. But an FBI lab report showing a fragment of DNA represented by the number 17 was found on the underside, the adhesive side.
Local 6 showed it and other test results to John Jay College Professor Henrietta Nunno, who said it could be a big break for Casey Anthony's defense team.
"So it's not Casey. It's not Caylee. It's not Cindy. It's not George. And it's not the FBI analyst?" Pipitone asked.
"I would agree with that, yes," Nunno said. "Someone who is not one of those people did leave DNA on the tape. Whether it was the perpetrator of the crime or another person who examined it, I guess we don't know."
The amount of DNA is so small that it can't be used to identify whether it is from another FBI analyst.


Looking for comments on this. Or did I read it wrong.

Try reading the documents and the threads that are discussing the documents. The media doesn't always get it right.

 

[lin]

It is the SA job to do the proving. So far thier story seems far fetched to me. sorry

It's the SA's job to do the proving of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt which they can easily do without the sticker and without half of what they already have, imo. Remember, they got a capital indictment before the body was found and the duct tape, sticker, etc.

It's not the SA's job to run down every ridiculous imaginary statement made that has no basis in fact, even though they did run down plenty of those. I don't know why some seem to think the defense has no responsibility to prove what they claim; it just doesn't work that way, folks.

 

[nyvictoria]

No trace of dead squirrels or any other animal was found in that car.
If you need a document to prove that I'm afraid you will have to look it up.

And didn't LE or the FBI do tests with squirrels and pizza and God knows what all else to see if they would get an odor similar to human decomp and/or similar trace evidence? I'm sorry I don't have a link but that's they way I remember it.

 

[MissJames]

I agree it is best to stick to the docs and not the reporters. I am not putting my trust into this reporter. That is why I said take it for what its worth, its pipitone.

I would like to appologize for going off topic. The darned heart shape sticker is attached to the duct tape (not phisically) and I keep ending up on the duct tape topic. I am sorry.

Ps that professor is not related to this story, but is there a professor that is?

Just the experts at the FBI,Quantico,the Body Farm[I think they are actually affiliated with a University in Tenn,so they may have Professor in their title!],OSCO,the defense experts and any others LE may bring in.Oh-Andrea Lyon is a Professor,I believe.

 

[lin]

Exactly! And why oh why did LE exclude everyone but Casey?

I'll take that one for $200, Alex: KC is the only one that is non-excludable, as in guilty? And why would anyone put a heart sticker on that tape other than her? Just cos the residue is gone doesn't mean it wasn't ever there, kwim?

 

[lin]

HELP! I think my post got lost in the detour this thread took earlier this afternoon. I really want to understand this so can someone give me a synopsis or confirmation of the following:

The heart sticker residue on the duct tape was destroyed. Could it/was it sacrificed for the purpose of fingerprint analysis? IOW, when forensic evidence is put thru testing, there is a knowledge that a certain amount will not be recoverable due to testing procedures. Was their a photo taken of it prior to the analysis/destruction of the residue? My initial thoughts are that if it was sacrificed for the analysis, it is a non issue. It's not a mistake or mishandling. Am I off base? What is the general consensus here?

I had been away for several days and trying to catch up.....Thanks!

There were numerous pictures taken of the duct tape before it was removed from the remains. It's possible that some of those photos may be blown up/enhanced to show the residue. There is no photo specifically of the residue, to my knowledge. As for destroying the residue, not all finger prints are found using dusting powder; new methods using chemicals including crazy glue can "find" finger prints where none were found before. It's likely, imo, the technician was trying a chemical method to raise fingerprints due to the water and exposure and the chemicals caused the residue to disintegrate.

It's not mishandling or deliberate destruction; it was destroyed in trying to capture other evidence. Totally excusable.

There is still the testimony of the technician(s) who saw the residue to prove it exists and likely there will be some enhanced photos to prove it also, if the state chooses to go this route. I don't think they need it, however, particularly for the guilt phase.

For the defense to keep this issue in the forefront is again shooting themselves in the foot, imo. This is NOT a good issue for them --- everyone knows the residue was there and seems to me like this would be something I'd want to ignore and hope it went away, kwim? I certainly wouldn't be drawing attention to this particular action of my client; I'd be trying to distract attention away with all available means. I guess it just shows how desperate they really are in trying to defend this case. If this is all they have, I'd advise anyone that cares about KC to get on hands and knees and crawl to the SA to beg for a plea deal. jmo.

 

[lin]

Why is the heart shaped sticker important? In my opinion it is important because the media has been force feeding this tidbit to us for several months i.e. NG a heart shaped sticker placed directly over the mouth

From what I have gathered in this thread, although several people have looked at the duct tape only one tech believed they saw residue in the shape of a heart, and now due to further testing this cannot be proven nor disproven.

Unfortunately for Casey, the media has been stating this as a damning fact for quite some time. If you hear something enough eventually you may start to believe it.

I just think that this and many of the other statements made by the media that are stated unfairly as fact, could hurt Casey's right to a fair trial just my opinion

Welcome to WS!

IMO, the sticker is NOT important no matter who tried to feed whom what, kwim? It's a very small part of the big mountain range of evidence against the perp in this case. It's only one small indicator of the twisted nature of the prisoner. I haven't really noticed the media dwelling on it that much, myself but yes, have seen it mentioned many times when giving a general description. Maybe cos I never saw it as that big of a deal it just didn't register with me like it did with you.

Have fun posting!

 

[lin]

It was recorded. Check here: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Evidence of Heart Shaped Sticker on Duct Tape Destroyed

I, also, am eager to hear the FBI testimony on this. I imagine the person who discovered it (even if a photo wasn't taken) called several people over to look at what was under the microscope. And if not, I don't think it's any big loss. But that's pretty biased to insinuate that anyone would "make the whole thing up." That person would have nothing to gain ~ except, maybe being fired.

I do appreciate your stated desire to find the truth and weigh everything out. But in searching for the truth we have to be fair and even-handed to all parties. Just as I, who thinks Casey is guilty as sin, cannot paint every single thing she has done as evil ~ Neither should anyone who thinks she may be innocent consider that all evidence against her is tainted or worthless. If this were the case, both our opinions and proffered judgements would be without value!!

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Excellent post!

 

[Harmony 2]

Here is the story I read. Take it for what it is worth, it Pipitone.
link
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html

Two pieces of DNA were found on the duct tape attached to Caylee's skull, the same brand and type as that one found on a gas can in the Anthony family's east Orange County home, Pipitone reported.
But neither piece shows traces of Casey Anthony, according to documents released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.
One DNA sample was traced to an FBI lab analyst who accidentally contaminated the outside of the duct tape during testing, the documents stated. But an FBI lab report showing a fragment of DNA represented by the number 17 was found on the underside, the adhesive side.
Local 6 showed it and other test results to John Jay College Professor Henrietta Nunno, who said it could be a big break for Casey Anthony's defense team.
"So it's not Casey. It's not Caylee. It's not Cindy. It's not George. And it's not the FBI analyst?" Pipitone asked.
"I would agree with that, yes," Nunno said. "Someone who is not one of those people did leave DNA on the tape. Whether it was the perpetrator of the crime or another person who examined it, I guess we don't know."
The amount of DNA is so small that it can't be used to identify whether it is from another FBI analyst.


Looking for comments on this. Or did I read it wrong.

I'll stick with the actual report.I have been interviewed many times by media ,on foster care and adoption,with actual quotation marks around things I did not say.Things that were factually wrong appeared as fact.I'm surprised that you put your trust there,since you have made it clear you only trust what you hear for yourself. Maybe I am misunderstanding :waitasec:
ps that professor is not related to this case.

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I believe they are referencing this info in the docs:
page 8636 or page 3 (Note: shown below in attachment)

http://www.clickorlando.com/health/21139699/detail.html



and the Email from H. Seubert to R. Fram on 2/3/09

Page 75 or 8708- Q62/Q63/Q64-2 is the sticky side of the duct tape

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146920.pdf

To tie it back to the loss of the heart shaped sticker. Finding DNA from lab personnel can be used by the defense to indicate shoddy lab practices like not wearing gloves.

I dont know if the partial DNA found on the sticky side of the duct tape was compared to personnel.

 

[strach304]

And didn't LE or the FBI do tests with squirrels and pizza and God knows what all else to see if they would get an odor similar to human decomp and/or similar trace evidence? I'm sorry I don't have a link but that's they way I remember it.

Yes, they did. Several WB'ers did as well. The pizza that is. Odor and insects.

 

[lin]

If the defense has to admit that their was a heart shaped place on the tape, what does that cost them? There are no witnesses as far as we know that saw KC with the sticker. There are no witnesses or as far as we know no fingerprints that show KC placing the sticker on the tape. As far as the heart sticker being there, defense can allege that Caylee had stickers in her possession and that the "kidnapper" must have used them in the crime. So they can use the "lab error" and it doesn't cause them to admit to anything.

I don't think this is likely to be used in the guilt phase; more likely in the penalty phase if at all. The only purpose I see in the sticker, as others have suggested, is the meanness of the perp in placing it on the baby. That's relevant to penalty, not guilt, imo. For the defense to raise this during the guilt phase, they're admitting it exists and it could backfire on them in the penalty phase when the jury is weighing the dp. jmo

 

[MissJames]

Welcome to WS!

IMO, the sticker is NOT important no matter who tried to feed whom what, kwim? It's a very small part of the big mountain range of evidence against the perp in this case. It's only one small indicator of the twisted nature of the prisoner. I haven't really noticed the media dwelling on it that much, myself but yes, have seen it mentioned many times when giving a general description. Maybe cos I never saw it as that big of a deal it just didn't register with me like it did with you.

Have fun posting!

For me the importance wasn't the evidence ,itself,it's what it showed KC was capable of.I saw it as a taunt by KC both to poor little Caylee,and also,to Cindy.Like a signature ,of sorts."See ,I told you I wouldn't let you have her",or something along those lines.What on earth was going through KC's mind when she took the time to put a heart shaped sticker on her dying child?

 

[MissJames]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I believe they are referencing this info in the docs:
page 8636 or page 3

http://www.clickorlando.com/health/21139699/detail.html

and the Email from H. Seubert to R. Fram on 2/3/09

Page 75 or 8708- Q62/Q63/Q64-2 is the sticky side of the duct tape

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146920.pdf

To tie it back to the loss of the heart shaped sticker. Finding DNA from lab personnel can be used by the defense to indicate shoddy lab practices like not wearing gloves.

I dont know if the partial DNA found on the sticky side of the duct tape was compared to personnel.

It sounded to me like it was not sizable enough to even try and compare it.
What I do know is that ,even Caylee's dna was not found on the tape,most likely due to the elements and decomposition over a long period of time,therefore ANY DNA found on the tape most likely ended up there AFTER Caylee was found.

 

[LambChop]

I agree. The SA wont even bring this up in court. I saw a french fry once on ebay that looked like Jesus.

Your right, the duct tape is the key piece of evidence. From what I gathered yesterday, there is someone elses human dna on that tape. Perhaps the real perp.

Or it could be a dog hair from the trunk of the car. Surely the car was not as clean before the crime as it was after.

P.S. - I don't recall ever actually seeing a photograph of Jesus so how would one know exactly what Jesus looked like? Point is things are not always as they are presented to us.

 

[LambChop]

Yes, you're correct, this is the heart sticker thread and I too am guilty of going a bit offtopic, so again apologize to everyone. Perhaps a good start for your research would be the threads on JH. Didn't KC say he worked at Universal? Or am I confusing him with someone else? And didn't LE interview the only one that met the criteria laid out by KC?

Also, Lin correct me if I am wrong. Why would LE release the names of all the JH's that they contacted while checking them out to the public or defense when defense could do that research themselves? Look at what the media has done to ZG. If during their investigation they found no one who matched KC's description in the Jacksonville area why would they put those names out there. Plus we already know by her pings that she was not with Jeff during the times she stated but was with TL. And LE knows there is no Jeff. Can't prove a negative.

Sometimes people forget that what SA puts out there is from their investigations and defense can do the same, right? If there were some evidence that the defense has that would prove KC's innocence it would be out there for everyone to look at and weigh it out. All we get are mistruths and flat out lies when defense does release info. She does not have to prove herself innocent but in light of the damning evidence KC better do something soon. The heart-shaped sticker makes us realize there is nobody home in that pretty little head of hers.

 

[notthatsmart]

There were numerous pictures taken of the duct tape before it was removed from the remains. It's possible that some of those photos may be blown up/enhanced to show the residue. There is no photo specifically of the residue, to my knowledge. As for destroying the residue, not all finger prints are found using dusting powder; new methods using chemicals including crazy glue can "find" finger prints where none were found before. It's likely, imo, the technician was trying a chemical method to raise fingerprints due to the water and exposure and the chemicals caused the residue to disintegrate.

It's not mishandling or deliberate destruction; it was destroyed in trying to capture other evidence. Totally excusable.

There is still the testimony of the technician(s) who saw the residue to prove it exists and likely there will be some enhanced photos to prove it also, if the state chooses to go this route. I don't think they need it, however, particularly for the guilt phase.

For the defense to keep this issue in the forefront is again shooting themselves in the foot, imo. This is NOT a good issue for them --- everyone knows the residue was there and seems to me like this would be something I'd want to ignore and hope it went away, kwim? I certainly wouldn't be drawing attention to this particular action of my client; I'd be trying to distract attention away with all available means. I guess it just shows how desperate they really are in trying to defend this case. If this is all they have, I'd advise anyone that cares about KC to get on hands and knees and crawl to the SA to beg for a plea deal. jmo.

I respectfully disagree. I dont know there is residue. Doc said it was an outline. If there was residue, lets test the residue.