Evidence of Heart Shaped Sticker on Duct Tape Destroyed

[notthatsmart]

It sounded to me like it was not sizable enough to even try and compare it.
What I do know is that ,even Caylee's dna was not found on the tape,most likely due to the elements and decomposition over a long period of time,therefore ANY DNA found on the tape most likely ended up there AFTER Caylee was found.

It was on the sticky side though. Could have been between two pieces of tape, so possibly preserved.

 

[notthatsmart]

Or it could be a dog hair from the trunk of the car. Surely the car was not as clean before the crime as it was after.

P.S. - I don't recall ever actually seeing a photograph of Jesus so how would one know exactly what Jesus looked like? Point is things are not always as they are presented to us.

I was under the assumption that we were only talking about human dna. I shouldn't assume. Sorry about that.

 

[ZsaZsa]

O/T - sorry, but for those interested, take a look at Richard Grund's MySpace page today.
He is livid and talks of a civil lawsuit against the Anthonys for all the malicious lies told about him.. The vile Cindy has lied once too often it seems.

 

[LambChop]

With all due respect when SA releases information during discovery, it is exactly that...not a story. The only stories that we have heard with our own ears is the one told by KC to investigators during her taped interview and you can clearly hear her admit she is not telling the truth. So who would you believe, as JB would say "[KC], or your own eyes," or in this case your ears.

 

[lin]

I see your point of view, but the evidence needs to point to KC and only KC in order for a jury to find her guilty.And the sticker and tape evidence was so damning for KC- but now....not so much.:furious:

I'm wondering if the entire tape evidence will be thrown out now that we have learnt that not only did the testing obliterate the heart-shaped residue, but it was also contaminated by a lab techs DNA .( I doubt it though since JB can use it to call into question the quality of all testing done on the evidence, which will work in his/Kc's favour).

Two mistakes on one piece of evidence does make them look shoddy IMO. I hate to say it, I really do...but JB finally has a pretty valid point.

It does call into question the quality of the examinations on the evidence they have collected and tested IMO, and I'm pretty damn pizzed that they could make such careless mistakes on the best physical evidence that ties KC to this crime.
If KC walks or gets convicted on a lesser charge, the blame will lie not with her defence,or her family, but the people who were supposed to provide the scientific evidence of her involvement in Caylees death...who screwed up big time.

I'm Pizzed (yes with a capital P) that these errors could deny justice for Caylee....And I'm suprised that there isnt more frustration posted on these threads about this epic error.
But then, le/fbi/csi/lab techs errors are often swept under the carpet, while we put too much focus on how poorly written a def motion may be, which may be noteworthy, but nowhere near as significant as key evidence being destroyed and contaminated.
Yes mistakes happen. But the whole point of science is to remove doubt- its supposed to be a sure thing, with very little wiggle room. Maybe one error could be overlooked- but Two!!! On the one piece of evidence! We need to demand better quality control for labs so that guilty perps stay behind bars where they belong.
Of course this is just my (unpopular) opinion, with some fact thrown in.

Maybe the reason you're not seeing the outrage or frustration you expected is because some, like me, do not see this as important, much less "epic." I'll agree to disagree on this point because I don't think either of us can convince the other of our view on this. We'll have to wait for trial to see if it really is as big of a deal as you believe or as much of a non-issue as I believe.

ETA: In my view, opinions that are well framed, whether popular or not, are rarely demeaned or dismissed. It's those wild, 'cos I say so' really out there thoughts that sometimes gain no traction.

 

[RR0004]

Here is the story I read. Take it for what it is worth, it Pipitone.
link
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html

Two pieces of DNA were found on the duct tape attached to Caylee's skull, the same brand and type as that one found on a gas can in the Anthony family's east Orange County home, Pipitone reported.
But neither piece shows traces of Casey Anthony, according to documents released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.
One DNA sample was traced to an FBI lab analyst who accidentally contaminated the outside of the duct tape during testing, the documents stated. But an FBI lab report showing a fragment of DNA represented by the number 17 was found on the underside, the adhesive side.
Local 6 showed it and other test results to John Jay College Professor Henrietta Nunno, who said it could be a big break for Casey Anthony's defense team.
"So it's not Casey. It's not Caylee. It's not Cindy. It's not George. And it's not the FBI analyst?" Pipitone asked.
"I would agree with that, yes," Nunno said. "Someone who is not one of those people did leave DNA on the tape. Whether it was the perpetrator of the crime or another person who examined it, I guess we don't know."
The amount of DNA is so small that it can't be used to identify whether it is from another FBI analyst.


Looking for comments on this. Or did I read it wrong.

I did read the whole doc and they traced it to someone else who had the sample before the FBI.

 

[RR0004]

Also, Lin correct me if I am wrong. Why would LE release the names of all the JH's that they contacted while checking them out to the public or defense when defense could do that research themselves? Look at what the media has done to ZG. If during their investigation they found no one who matched KC's description in the Jacksonville area why would they put those names out there. Plus we already know by her pings that she was not with Jeff during the times she stated but was with TL. And LE knows there is no Jeff. Can't prove a negative.

Sometimes people forget that what SA puts out there is from their investigations and defense can do the same, right? If there were some evidence that the defense has that would prove KC's innocence it would be out there for everyone to look at and weigh it out. All we get are mistruths and flat out lies when defense does release info. She does not have to prove herself innocent but in light of the damning evidence KC better do something soon. The heart-shaped sticker makes us realize there is nobody home in that pretty little head of hers.

...and why do I feel that we haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet?

 

[LambChop]

We all know the sticker has nothing to do with the cause of death and lack of the sticker evidence during the trial is something less the defense will have to argue how it got there. But in the sentencing phase if KC is convicted I could see them bringing in the witness(es) to show how little KC cared for this child. Also the poster of the bandaid with the heart sticker right in the middle KC had out on her myspace/facebook. Now if the tech found fingerprints on the tape.....it was worth losing the residue from the sticker.

I don't seem to be able to find where the sticker residue was found on the sticky side of the tape??? Can anyone confirm that?

 

[RR0004]

It sounded to me like it was not sizable enough to even try and compare it.
What I do know is that ,even Caylee's dna was not found on the tape,most likely due to the elements and decomposition over a long period of time,therefore ANY DNA found on the tape most likely ended up there AFTER Caylee was found.

There is so much we don't know...and I agree...it's bad to assume anything without knowing what the SA will be using at trial. If they don't plan on using the specific pieces of tape that were found on Caylee to show any physical evidence/ connection to Casey (and I haven't heard from them that they are) then I'm sure they'll be showing pictures of how she was found.

 

[LambChop]

...and why do I feel that we haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet?

Oh, you are sooooooooo right. That is why I am so hooked with this case. It is like a mystery....a John Grisham book in the making. LOL

 

[lin]

Actually, this isn't being swept under the rug. The tech kept track of it, noted it. It wasn't hidden.

That was honesty.

And it should be noted that they were honest. It is because labs try to hid this sort of stuff, and make up results, that innocents get convicted.

Lab science ADDS to the case. If it can find scientific evidence on the evidence.

Case in point.. we still have the tape as evidence. THAT hasn't changed. We don't have finger prints on it. (old science). Our DNA testing was contaminated (new science). And we don't get to run further testing on adhesive found on the non-adhesive side of the tape.

This will not be the only evidence that nothing scientific will be found. We have just learned to expect that it will always be like TV. WE are soooo spoiled. Tee hee..

Beautiful post; deserved repeating. :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[ZsaZsa]

Here is the story I read. Take it for what it is worth, it Pipitone.
link
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html

Two pieces of DNA were found on the duct tape attached to Caylee's skull, the same brand and type as that one found on a gas can in the Anthony family's east Orange County home, Pipitone reported.
But neither piece shows traces of Casey Anthony, according to documents released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.
One DNA sample was traced to an FBI lab analyst who accidentally contaminated the outside of the duct tape during testing, the documents stated. But an FBI lab report showing a fragment of DNA represented by the number 17 was found on the underside, the adhesive side.
Local 6 showed it and other test results to John Jay College Professor Henrietta Nunno, who said it could be a big break for Casey Anthony's defense team.
"So it's not Casey. It's not Caylee. It's not Cindy. It's not George. And it's not the FBI analyst?" Pipitone asked.
"I would agree with that, yes," Nunno said. "Someone who is not one of those people did leave DNA on the tape. Whether it was the perpetrator of the crime or another person who examined it, I guess we don't know."
The amount of DNA is so small that it can't be used to identify whether it is from another FBI analyst.


Looking for comments on this. Or did I read it wrong.

From what we know of Casey I would think the DNA came from whoever she stole the Duct tape from..

 

[lin]

IIRC, after the autopsy, and before the identification.

Thanks! If it was before id then that motion has no weight at all.

 

[lin]

I find that Jurors take their responsibilities extremely seriously and the idea that they could be "persuaded" to indict someone without sufficient cause is so ludicrous it sounds like something the Anthonys would say...
.

I know, right? Cos GJ always indict in less than an hour, like with Drew P, right? Oh, wait... nevermind, lol.

And the GJ indicted with NO duct tape, no sticker, no thrown out like trash in the woods less than a mile from home, and on and on and on.

 

[lin]

I agree, they do take their responsibilities seriously. Perhaps I should have used a word other than persuaded. I simply believe that it is much easier to get an indictment than a conviction.
I just happen to believe that we should presume a person is innocent until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion sorry thats just how i feel
Let me add this though before you hang me, I have a very very hard time presuming Casey's innocence because she didn't report Caylee missing. That fact really bothers me.

I believe the jurors should presume innocence until one is proven guilty in a court of law. The same restrictions do not apply to non-jurors. I'd feel a bit (slightly) differently if her defense had been quiet until trial but they've been in the media so much, one expects if they had any exculpatory evidence or theory, it would be common knowledge and on the SA's desk by now.

 

[MissJames]

I respectfully disagree. I dont know there is residue. Doc said it was an outline. If there was residue, lets test the residue.

I will simply refer you to the title of the thread. There is no longer any residue to test.

BUT there is still the 31 days KC partied while her child was missing [per her own story to LE] KC told LE Caylee was taken,not that she was out having a good time with the nanny.Different from what she had been telling her friends and family.
There is the stinky car she abandoned.The stolen checks she managed to take her mind off of Caylee with.Retail therapy all caught on tape.
There's the phone records that show no nanny.The empty apt she took LE to.The tattoo,the tape of her strolling through Blockbusters right after she alleged Caylee was taken.There's no job at the non office she took LE to and no sign of a Blackberry.
There are tons of texts where she doesn't seem at all concerned about Caylee.There's the borrowed shovel,the car backed into the garage[unusual for her],all the items found with Caylee connected back to her home.
There's more and it's more than enough.
IMO we could start a list on everything G and C have done that makes KC look even more guilty if that's possible.I suspect LE and the SA have theirs started.
Again,all just my opinion,of course.

 

[lin]

The one about Zani and Caylee being gone from Sawgrass. I dont know that she had the other story. I haven't seen an interview on that. I heard that story came from Lee, not her. Which makes it hearsay on my part and lee's part.

On YOUR part?

 

[MissJames]

...and why do I feel that we haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet?

I feel the same way! I just have a feeling there's going to be more,much more.

 

[lin]

No contact is key here.no phone records with communications between KC and Zanny.If Zanny had Caylee all that time when did they talk? How did KC know they were at the beach or the theme parks?Also, KC told friends at times,during those 31 days, that Caylee was with Cindy and Cindy has denied that. Cindy also relayed the Tampa story with the car accident and Zanny hospitalization,but there's no record of any of that happening.Where are ANY of the people who can back up KC's story?Supposedly Julliett and Jeff know Zanny .Where are they?

Excellent points all. Thanks!

 

[sleutherontheside]

On YOUR part?

Freudian slip? :waitasec: