Evidence of Heart Shaped Sticker on Duct Tape Destroyed

  • #521
They can't hold on to it. If they don't produce it in plenty of time for the defense to respond to it, they can't use it at trial.

But the trial isn't happening for a looooong time. Who's to say that there isn't plenty of time to release KC's fingerprint evidence with plenty of time for the defense to respond to it. This trial will be lucky to take place in 2010! The defense hasn't even given the prosecution any of their discovery yet. Heck, it could even be released in the 1,000 pages coming out on next Tuesday. Maybe that is the reason for Baez, et al's media blitz today. They do seem to try to distract people right before something incriminating to KC is revealed.
 
  • #522
To be fair, I don't think we have ever had the evidence that the tape was wrapped all the way around the head - rather IIRC, we were told there were multiple pieces that covered the mouth area and was still attached to the jaw bone and hair. There was speculation about if the size of the duct tape would also cover a small child's nose if placed over the mouth.

I am almost positive I read in the reports that the duct tape held the mandible (lower jaw) intact to the rest of the skull - which implies it was wrapped around her head. It would be impossible for the skull to remain intact that way, since the jaw is attached to the skull with tissue, which obviously wasn't there when they discovered her body. Also remember they had to cut hair still attached to her little head to remove it.

The fact that anyone would use duct tape on a child's face, I don't even care whether it was wrapped around her head, speaks volumes about the person that did it. I don't need a heart shaped sticker to tell me what that implies.
 
  • #523
Honestly, I believe that LE "ruined" the residue of the heart shaped sticker on purpose.

1. The SA already can have FBI testify that they saw the shape of a heart shaped sticker placed directly over the duct taped nose and mouth of a 2 yr old baby. They had to "ruin" it to attempt to recover evidence - that does NOT mean that they're stupid! They were doing their jobs, which I'm sure they do very well. I wouldn't want their job - - - just imagine what you would see/smell/think and deal with in one week!!! I wholeheartedly believe that there IS A REASON that they "consumed" this piece of evidence.

2. Perhaps it was purposely NOT photographed because they could NOT match it EXACTLY to ANY heart shaped sticker taken from the Anthony residence. The testimony from the FBI will render jury tears in and of itself, me thinks. Would YOU honestly need a picture of this? There will forever be a mental picture etched into my mind without any need or desire to actually see it (yuck). Really, I don't know if I could force myself to look at a photo of it if I was on the jury.

3. All of Caseys pics with the hearts placed on them will be sufficient. Now, was that back when she was still plain old CAnthony....or was the heart fascination thingy later on when she dreamed she was CLazzaro???? lol

4. It was important to get this MORBID information out and into the ears and hearts of the public who doubted the mountain of circumstantial evidence released so far. I for one know that I cannot get that ugly picture outta my head. And I wish I could. 'Nough said outta me. Goodnight, sweet Caylee :angel:
 
  • #524
IMO, even if no DNA is found on the tape, they will match some of the pieces together.
Duct tape is being found all over the place!
 
  • #525
I am almost positive I read in the reports that the duct tape held the mandible (lower jaw) intact to the rest of the skull - which implies it was wrapped around her head. It would be impossible for the skull to remain intact that way, since the jaw is attached to the skull with tissue, which obviously wasn't there when they discovered her body. Also remember they had to cut hair still attached to her little head to remove it.

The fact that anyone would use duct tape on a child's face, I don't even care whether it was wrapped around her head, speaks volumes about the person that did it. I don't need a heart shaped sticker to tell me what that implies.

In this set of documents the exact measurements of the duct tape were given sooo... Me and another poster measured our own face and head. The tape on Caylee may not have wrapped enough to touch in the back but damn close imo. I also measured the length of my face. The documents state 3 pieces 2" each. Six inches from my chin goes all the way up to right above my eyebrows. :sick:
 
  • #526
In this set of documents the exact measurements of the duct tape were given sooo... Me and another poster measured our own face and head. The tape on Caylee may not have wrapped enough to touch in the back but damn close imo. I also measured the length of my face. The documents state 3 pieces 2" each. Six inches from my chin goes all the way up to right above my eyebrows. :sick:

Okay, so 3 pieces 2" each...that means one in the middle (over the mouth nose) and then one on each side with some unknown overlap. Is that how you are taking it?
 
  • #527
And don't forget LE found a heart-shaped sticker at the crime scene that matches what KC had at home. So they still may be able to use this at the trial. It will just be the FBI tech stating that she saw the sticker residue. I still think the poster KC had with the bandaid and the heart in the middle is significant and it would be interesting to see when exactly she saved that on her computer.
 
  • #528
Okay, so 3 pieces 2" each...that means one in the middle (over the mouth nose) and then one on each side with some unknown overlap. Is that how you are taking it?

I assumed they meant 3 across. They said overlapped. The lengths were 9.75 forgot the other exactly, 7" and 6.75 I believe. I'm thinking her eyes were covered as well. But as you suggest one piece could have gone across and then two ran along side the head touching the piece in the middle.
 
  • #529
I assumed they meant 3 across. They said overlapped. The lengths were 9.75 forgot the other exactly, 7" and 6.75 I believe. I'm thinking her eyes were covered as well. But as you suggest one piece could have gone across and then two ran along side the head touching the piece in the middle.

Oh! Okay, thanks for clarifying. So the 2" is the width of the tape. Gotcha! Thanks very much.
 
  • #530
ZsaZsa: What was in the report?
 
  • #531
Have a look at the report on the Blink On Crime site today- it is titled Brad/Baez and Baden can't read.... and it's all about the technical details of fingerprints, in particular those found/not found on the duct tape.
 
  • #532
Have a look at the report on the Blink On Crime site today- it is titled Brad/Baez and Baden can't read.... and it's all about the technical details of fingerprints, in particular those found/not found on the duct tape.

It's quite interesting and the exact thing she is reporting was played out on W/S's over and over. I agree with her completely...these were my thoughts on the docs as I read them. I hope she is right.
 
  • #533
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/fbireport.pdf

pp. 1-2

FBI (latent prints unit) reports receiving (1) Q62-Q64, the three pieces of tape that were found on Caylee's face, and (2) "elimination fingerprints" (i.e., samples to be compared to any latent prints located) for GA, CA and LA.

The report concludes: "The requested latent print examinations were conducted, but no latent prints were detected." (BBM)

"No latent prints were detected" means none at all, as I read it. It doesn't mean "no latent prints were detected that matched any of the aforementioned elimination fingerprints."

From reading Blink's article, it seems like she's saying that the defense motion (I haven't read it) referenced no latent "lifts," which means there could have been other latent "impressions" (i.e., prints) that could be detected by other means. I really don't get this. No matter what the defense motion said, the FBI report said there were no latent "prints." That, to me, is a comprehensive "no." It said nothing about "lifts."

Blink also says that the report says GA, CA and LA were "excluded," which means their prints would have to have been compared to something (i.e., a print on the duct tape) in order to "exclude" them. But the report doesn't say this.
 
  • #534
AZ,

On page 5 of the latest doc dump fbi reports in response to requested discovery by LKB the response contains the statement "The FBI did not receive Latent Lifts in this case."

That might be where Blink is getting that statement from.
 
  • #535
AZ,

On page 5 of the latest doc dump fbi reports in response to requested discovery by LKB the response contains the statement "The FBI did not receive Latent Lifts in this case."

That might be where Blink is getting that statement from.

Can you find the link? What was the question asked by LKB? It sounds like she was asking about latent lifts "received" by the FBI--i.e., picked up by LE and sent to the FBI for comparison to something else. If so, the FBI is just saying that they were not sent any latent lifts already picked up by LE.
 
  • #536
If a link comes up with ****.com then you know it is not allowed here. so please delete if you see this happening with any link you post.
 
  • #537
I'm kinda sorry that this subject is being discussed on the thread, but because it is, I'll share my thoughts here.

I totally get the whole "latent" print language. The FBI unequivocally states that there were no latent prints found on the duct tape. I would actually be kinda surprised if there were, given the elements, time, & close proximity to decomp involved. But here's my thing. I was educated about patent prints while reading about the D Routier case. Here's a brief description from Wiki:

"Patent prints

These are friction ridge impressions of unknown origins which are obvious to the human eye and are caused by a transfer of foreign material on the finger, onto a surface. Because they are already visible they need no enhancement, and are generally photographed instead of being lifted in the same manner as latent prints.[citation needed] Finger deposits can include materials such as ink, dirt, or blood onto a surface."


IMO, it would be hard to handle duct tape without touching the sticky side. I, in fact have done my own little experiments in this regard. When I touch the sticky side, it leaves a patent print in the goo. Try it. I'm no fingerprint expert, nor am I saying how easy or difficult it would be to read this type of a print in duct tape goo, but I'd think that any prints in the goo would hold up to the elements better than any latents on the silver side.
You may well think I've lost my mind or I'm grasping at straws; and I know it's just a matter of semantics, but until and unless I see specific language from the FBI stating "no prints of any kind", I'm gonna hold out hope that they've got KC's patent prints from the sticky side! All of the language in all of the communications thus far re: fingerprints is heavily "latent" weighted. KWIM? Is it word games because the SA isn't ready to tip their hand in this regard? Because, to my eye, there is no outward evidence to justify the DP in this case, so for now anyway, this is where I'm placing all of my hopes.
 
  • #538
Can you find the link? What was the question asked by LKB? It sounds like she was asking about latent lifts "received" by the FBI--i.e., picked up by LE and sent to the FBI for comparison to something else. If so, the FBI is just saying that they were not sent any latent lifts already picked up by LE.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html
 
  • #539
I'm kinda sorry that this subject is being discussed on the thread, but because it is, I'll share my thoughts here.

I totally get the whole "latent" print language. The FBI unequivocally states that there were no latent prints found on the duct tape. I would actually be kinda surprised if there were, given the elements, time, & close proximity to decomp involved. But here's my thing. I was educated about patent prints while reading about the D Routier case. Here's a brief description from Wiki:

"Patent prints

These are friction ridge impressions of unknown origins which are obvious to the human eye and are caused by a transfer of foreign material on the finger, onto a surface. Because they are already visible they need no enhancement, and are generally photographed instead of being lifted in the same manner as latent prints.[citation needed] Finger deposits can include materials such as ink, dirt, or blood onto a surface."


IMO, it would be hard to handle duct tape without touching the sticky side. I, in fact have done my own little experiments in this regard. When I touch the sticky side, it leaves a patent print in the goo. Try it. I'm no fingerprint expert, nor am I saying how easy or difficult it would be to read this type of a print in duct tape goo, but I'd think that any prints in the goo would hold up to the elements better than any latents on the silver side.
You may well think I've lost my mind or I'm grasping at straws; and I know it's just a matter of semantics, but until and unless I see specific language from the FBI stating "no prints of any kind", I'm gonna hold out hope that they've got KC's patent prints from the sticky side! All of the language in all of the communications thus far re: fingerprints is heavily "latent" weighted. KWIM? Is it word games because the SA isn't ready to tip their hand in this regard? Because, to my eye, there is no outward evidence to justify the DP in this case, so for now anyway, this is where I'm placing all of my hopes.

That's what I was hoping, that it was being held in reserve until just the right moment, then the SA could do a smack-down in court, but legal experts here say that is not likely.... if they have that evidence they have to reveal it to the Defense in plenty of time for them to prepare/respond.
 
  • #540
I just took a look @ Blink's article. I'm a little slow on the uptake.:(

It appears that we're on the same page (my previous post - a couple up), but here again, it's a question of semantics!:woohoo:
 

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