EVIDENCE - Pro and Con

[tabinmaine]

And just another thought....

We have all been trying to tie in HE's phone going dead with something happening to it... but honestly, she was on it all night, sending data pics to her dad earlier, having phone calls with her room mate, re posting posts on Tumbler, could it be she was frantically calling SM's phone because she knew her phone was dying and she wanted to let him know she was there waiting for him ?

I know my phone by 3am would be dead if I was using it all day... it's a couple years old and by the end of the day it needs to be recharged. If she was out all evening on her date and she would not have had a chance to put it on the charger.

It may be bad luck, murphy's law or sheer coincidence but it's a possibility...

 

[TTF14]

And just another thought....

We have all been trying to tie in HE's phone going dead with something happening to it... but honestly, she was on it all night, sending data pics to her dad earlier, having phone calls with her room mate, re posting posts on Tumbler, could it be she was frantically calling SM's phone because she knew her phone was dying and she wanted to let him know she was there waiting for him ?

I know my phone by 3am would be dead if I was using it all day... it's a couple years old and by the end of the day it needs to be recharged. If she was out all evening on her date and she would not have had a chance to put it on the charger.

It may be bad luck, murphy's law or sheer coincidence but it's a possibility...

She could have been posting on tumblr from a laptop, or even charging her phone while using it after getting home from her date.

 

[TTF14]

Pretty sure they do, the phones were at the M's home

I'm just not sure we should be so sure of this. Until the trial when clear evidence about the phone, phone pings is presented, I think a lot could have been misconstrued/misreported/misunderstood in MSM. Unless that information is absolutely verified in a police report, I think it's possible some of it could have gotten mixed up. JMO.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Now this might seem like a dumb question because I probably have myself confused (imagine that, LOL). But if I understand correctly, didn't Waccamaw (?SP) publishers or whoever they are finally obtain the search warrant affidavits or something? And if so, why is that they can't or haven't been obtained by anyone else? Such as we the public?

Waccamaw Publishers is still trying to obtain the search warrants from the search at the M's. They had to make an appeal and The Supreme Court has yet to decide whether they will hear their case or not.

To answer the second part of your question with a question...: good question!

 

[PeterThomasFan]

The person driving to PTL had never been there. They were told, "just make a left into the landing after the xyz....you can't miss it..." (or make a right, whatever). This person was driving to an unfamiliar location, in the dark, didn't want to miss the turn, was trying to find it.

Everyone is familiar with PTL. The M's live right up the road and Heather grew up on Peachtree Rd..

 

[Surfside]

Can someone refresh my failing memory about the white tank top and the mannequin? tia

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_441416a8-86ef-11e4-a903-afb6f4109dfe.html

From the 2nd paragraph: "Horry County police seized $10,600 in cash from a safe, a torso of a mannequin with white a white tank top and a Bi-Lo receipt dated Dec. 18, 2013."

Many are speculating that the white tank top may have belonged to Heather.

 

[Surfside]

Everyone is familiar with PTL. The M's live right up the road and Heather grew up on Peachtree Rd..

THIS. ^

Anyone who grew up in or near Socastee knows Peachtree Road and Peachtree Landing.

 

[TTF14]

THIS. ^

Anyone who grew up in or near Socastee knows Peachtree Road and Peachtree Landing.

Thanks for clarifying that . There goes my theory on why the truck was driving so slowly on the way there.

 

[rtjedarling]

Thanks for clarifying that . There goes my theory on why the truck was driving so slowly on the way there.

maybe making some preparations on the way.

 

[EmmaRose]

http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_4170d766-7d30-11e3-a2db-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

I thought I had remembered from early on in the investigation that Heather may have been on CCTV at a local business. I looked back and finally found it in the above link.

 

[Surfside]

http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_4170d766-7d30-11e3-a2db-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

I thought I had remembered from early on in the investigation that Heather may have been on CCTV at a local business. I looked back and finally found it in the above link.

From that link:

The report does reference a business that had video surveillance of the drive-thru window, surveillance that captures a facial picture of every driver that comes through the window.

But details about the surveillance, including the name of the business, were also blacked out from the report.

Is it safe to assume this is McDonald's, since a receipt (time stamped at 4:34 pm on 12/17) was found in her car?

Here's something I don't remember reading before:

Investigators are placing less emphasis on receipts found in Elvis’ car.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

 

[PeterThomasFan]

http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_4170d766-7d30-11e3-a2db-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

I thought I had remembered from early on in the investigation that Heather may have been on CCTV at a local business. I looked back and finally found it in the above link.

From Original Police Report:

Cpl Furr spoke to an employee at the above mentioned McDonalds [located at Towne Center Parkway/ International Drive], who stated that they do have video surveillance of the drive-thru window that captures a facial picture of every driver that comes through the window, but are unable to retrieve said video tonight. McDonald's stated that a manager will be available at 7AM, in the morning, to retrieve said video.

 

[rtjedarling]

The Christina Morris offers some interesting similarities, some of you have likely thought about. Video shows the guy arrested for her being missing (not sure what the charge is now) and her walking into parking garage where they both are parked and about three minutes later, his car leaving, can't see if she's riding in the car, but may be. They later find her DNA in some area of his trunk (not an obvious area if I recall right). But they know the fellow cleaned his car (well) prior. Don't know if she went willingly and ended up in trunk later, or was put in trunk in garage. No mention of DNA anywhere else in car, but he did clean it.

HE could have gotten into truck willingly, or been forced in, or possibly harmed and put in truck at PTL, and truck drives off in just a few minutes. So she could have been alive at PTL and taken, as was Christina Morris from the parking garage. That's why I think her being alive there is possible, but also the car may have been dumped there after she was already taken/harmed. Both possible theories. The same theories (well not the exact same) but the theories- did the girl get in vehicle willingly and then something happen or something happen and girl was thrown into vehicle, that are being looked at the Christina Morris case. In that case also, no body, and appears the guy did a good job cleaning his car, but not quite good enough.

Personally, I think someone can be abducted or killed and removed in just a few minutes and traces of what happened be missed.

And could have occurred at PTL or Heather's apartment or some other meeting place.

 

[bestill]

Maybe driving slow because you're older and can't see well at night?

 

[jillycat]

Prosecutors don't have to convince a jury that Heather was killed at PTL in order to obtain a conviction. They only need to convince a jury (beyond a reasonable doubt) that the M's killed Heather. Intentional/Premeditated for first degree murder. Where the death actually occurred and what exact time it actually occurred are not elements that are required to be met as no one but the perps can know that if there is not forensic evidence or a confession to indicate that. If the state can prove Heather with the M's at the time she disappeared, and if they can prove to the jury that she is deceased and if they can prove it's due to homicidal violence and was premeditated, then a jury should be able to conclude the state's burden was met.

For the state to be relieved of the burden of proof of where she was killed, on the premise that no one but the perps can really know where she was killed, the murder warrants probably shouldn't say she was murdered at PTL. I can just hear the defense arguing the point of "there is not forensic evidence or a confession to indicate that".

 

[EmmaRose]

For the state to be relieved of the burden of proof of where she was killed, on the premise that no one but the perps can really know where she was killed, the murder warrants probably shouldn't say she was murdered at PTL. I can just hear the defense arguing the point of "there is not forensic evidence or a confession to indicate that".

Agree. This concerns me.

 

[bringhomelostangels]

Is there a thread/post of all the known evidence for this case? Or suggestions on this case?

 

[bringhomelostangels]

Also, are there any theories on these people -SM & TM -possibly being innocent? (Really, not trying to make a stir or be attacked here) But I have some concerns with what I know so far on this case, and from what I know/have read, there is really no evidence proving she was killed by SM or TM...again, from what I know thus far/have read.

 

[Madeleine74]

For the state to be relieved of the burden of proof of where she was killed, on the premise that no one but the perps can really know where she was killed, the murder warrants probably shouldn't say she was murdered at PTL. I can just hear the defense arguing the point of "there is not forensic evidence or a confession to indicate that".

There is no burden of proof that needs to be met on this point. The state can believe she was killed at or near PTL, which is what they said at the time of the arrest warrant and they could change their mind if they have new evidence that alters that belief. A jury might conclude it didn't happen right there on the spot, but happened by the M's.

Just like WS posters believe HE was likely killed elsewhere, most still believe it was the M's who did the deed. The only problem is if a jury can't be shown evidence that they conclude links the M's to HE's disappearance and supposed death. It doesn't exonerate the M's if she was actually killed in the truck or on the side of the road or somewhere near the M's compound, as long as a jury has 'enough' evidence to make a determination the M's killed HE B.A.R.D. (which only a jury can decide if they do have enough).

 

[SStarr33]

Is there a thread/post of all the known evidence for this case? Or suggestions on this case?

This is the thread