EVIDENCE - Pro and Con

[bestill]

We don't know who was driving the truck. SM & TM could have been at the PTL with Heather and the truck driver brought them something to help get rid of her, dropped it off and then returned home quickly.

 

[rtjedarling]

I may have asked this, but do we know if SM was a heavy drinker? Just curious.
At first I thought the "prove my love" theory was way out there, I'm thinking like a rational person though. Then the more I read about the dynamics of their dysfunctional relationship anything can be true. If he would live with a woman that handcuffed him to the bed and then go back to her, after his family offered him a place to start over, that shows who he really is.


Still not sure it was planned though.

I think the theory having SM kill Heather fits in with TM's brazen way of posting on FB, like that pick of her with the gun. Now she is working to cover up their doings, stand by and take care of her man who proved how much he loves her by killing the girlfriend. She is all over herself- got her man to kill for her, got control completely over him now, rides up to pick him up from jail and jumps out and holds the door for him, got mom to make sure they post bond for him too (no way is she gonna let him go stay somewhere without her.) She thinks she is completely in the driver's seat controlling the situation and that's what someone gets when they try to mess with her and her family. I really don't think they will get off, and I would not want to be in jail with her; she will keep things stirred up, but she will be in there with personalities to match hers and worse, some who will mess with people especially when they realize that person has a problem with being in control and being messed with.

 

[TTF14]

We don't know who was driving the truck. SM & TM could have been at the PTL with Heather and the truck driver brought them something to help get rid of her, dropped it off and then returned home quickly.

Excellent point. I hadn't thought of that.

ETA: It could also explain the relatively slow speed driving TO PTL. It took about 3 minutes to go 1.5 miles between cameras. That's a long time. Maybe the driver didn't know exactly where PTL was and what they were looking for.......

 

[bestill]

I think the theory having SM kill Heather fits in with TM's brazen way of posting on FB, like that pick of her with the gun. Now she is working to cover up their doings, stand by and take care of her man who proved how much he loves her by killing the girlfriend. She is all over herself- got her man to kill for her, got control completely over him now, rides up to pick him up from jail and jumps out and holds the door for him, got mom to make sure they post bond for him too (no way is she gonna let him go stay somewhere without her.) She thinks she is completely in the driver's seat controlling the situation and that's what someone gets when they try to mess with her and her family. I really don't think they will get off, and I would not want to be in jail with her; she will keep things stirred up, but she will be in there with personalities to match hers and worse, some who will mess with people especially when they realize that person has a problem with being in control and being messed with.

Yeah, that move with her opening the door and holding it for him said a lot. That's another reason I think HE is close to them too, I don't think TM would trust SM to take care of getting rid of Heather. She had to be involved at that point, if not before.

I've seen posts on social media that Heather confided in SM a lot about her past...well I bet SM confided in Heather too. I look forward to hearing from Heather's friends, especially Bri. They know a lot and Miss TM can't control the message and I bet they are ready to spill it.

 

[Surfside]

The call to the payphone could be to make it look like she is still alive at that point, to create doubt for LE about when things were happening (timeline). I do think they did certain things that night to "create an alibi" and this could be one of them. Or perhaps TM said she'd wait at that payphone for his call, but for some reason she went home instead, and he had to call her on the cell at home.

Good points. I agree they created many a smoke screen that night.

 

[EmmaRose]

It stands to reason that Heather's car must have been captured going down Peachtree to the landing on that same residential camera that spotted the Moorer's truck. I wonder if LE could see who was driving her vehicle by the video footage.

 

[SStarr33]

I agree, Rob's theory is a really good one. And an excellent point about why would she be meeting him at PTL in the middle of the night and not just at her apartment since her roommate was out of town? I know this has been discussed before and it was theorized he wanted to be hidden, in case TM came looking for him and knew where HE lived, etc., but it just doesn't really add up.

The part about them waiting for her to get home, then calling, is a good theory.

If this was all planned out, then yes, why? I agree, Bestill, I hope we get those answers.

Heather had just lived there for a few days, right? I wonder if TM knew where she lived. Also, how would they have known she was out?

 

[SStarr33]

I think this is spot on. One of the many questions I have is why would SM out of the blue decide to kill Heather? Something had to have happened, but what could it be. I hope we get these answers during the trial.

Maybe what happened was the CA trip and it was planned at that time.

 

[EmmaRose]

Heather had just lived there for a few days, right? I wonder if TM knew where she lived. Also, how would they have known she was out?

Those are good questions and I have wondered about that too. The only explanation that I have is maybe since TM was so obsessed with Heather that she trailed her from Tilted Kilt to see where she lived. I would think she would want to know that. As for how it was known that Heather was out, since SM and HE worked in the same place, maybe other coworkers spoke about Heather having a date and it was found out that way.

 

[rob]

BBM: How do the "several" phone calls from Heather's phone to the payphone (at 2:29 am) fit into this scenario? SM called HE from the payphone at 1:35 am. So, after the nearly 5 minute conversation, the 5 minute drive to her apartment, and her being subdued, who is calling the payphone and why?

Maybe TM was supposed to go back to the payphone and wait. Maybe the plan was to have no calls to their phones.
Good catch.

 

[bestill]

Well if you're going to kill someone you really shouldn't be calling them if you have called the relationship off...that's not too smart.

 

[rob]

Well if you're going to kill someone you really shouldn't be calling them if you have called the relationship off...that's not too smart.

I guess LE got the other calls from the M's cell phone or their home phones. Wonder if the grandparents received any calls that nite?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Current timeline:

1:35AM - 1:39AM - Sidney calls Heather from pay phone (call is 4:53 minutes)

1:44AM - 1:46AM - Heather calls roommate, Brianna Warrelmann who is in Florida at the time. And says Sidney just called and is leaving Tammy. Heather appears upset because she had been trying to get her life back on track after the affair and the harassment by Tammy. Heather is still at her home when she makes this call. (call is 2:20 minutes)

1:53AM - 2:09AM - Heather posts 10 times on Tumblr.

2:29AM - Heather attempts to call the number Sidney called from (which is a pay phone) several times but, there is no answer.

3:16AM - Heather attempts to call Sidney's mobile phone with no response.

3:17AM - Heather calls Sidney's phone and has a 4:15 minutes conversation with Sidney. Heather is at her home at this point. Sidney is at his home which is approx. 3 miles from the boat landing. After this conversation, Heather gets into her car and drives directly to Peachtree Boat Landing. Sidney also denies this conversation until police confront him with Heather's phone record and then he says he did talk to her but it was just to tell her to quit calling and leave them alone.

3:36AM - A private residence video surveillance captures a vehicle coming from the direction of Sidney's headed towards the boat landing. This camera is 1.7 miles from the Moorer's residence.

3:38AM - Heather attempts to call Sidney's phone 4 times (3:39, 3:39:46 and 3:41)

3:39AM - A business video surveillance a mile from the first camera closer to the landing captures this vehicle still proceeding in the direction of the boat landing.

3:41AM - Heather's phone data ends at that point (at PTL).

VS.

1:35AM - 1:39AM - Sidney calls Heather from pay phone (call is 4:53 minutes) - SM makes plan the meet Heather at her apartment.

1:44AM - 1:46AM - Heather calls roommate, Brianna Warrelmann who is in Florida at the time. And says Sidney just called and is leaving Tammy. Heather appears upset because she had been trying to get her life back on track after the affair and the harassment by Tammy. Heather is still at her home when she makes this call. (call is 2:20 minutes) - BW tries to tell Heather not to meet SM. SM is already on his way to Heather's apartment. SM and TM are still together at this time.

1:53AM - 2:09AM - Heather posts 10 times on Tumblr. - Heather is waiting for SM to show up at her apartment.

2:29AM - Heather attempts to call the number Sidney called from (which is a pay phone) several times but, there is no answer. - Heather tries the number SM called from to see where he's at since it's taking so long. Or, has reservations about him coming.

2:29AM - ?:??AM - TM drops SM off at Heather's apartment and drives home.

?:??AM - 3:16AM - Heather is killed.

3:16AM - Heather attempts to call Sidney's mobile phone with no response. - Heather wasn't calling SM's phone. SM was calling his phone because TM had it.

3:17AM - Heather calls Sidney's phone and has a 4:15 minutes conversation with Sidney. Heather is at her home at this point. Sidney is at his home which is approx. 3 miles from the boat landing. After this conversation, Heather gets into her car and drives directly to Peachtree Boat Landing. Sidney also denies this conversation until police confront him with Heather's phone record and then he says he did talk to her but it was just to tell her to quit calling and leave them alone. - Again, SM calls TM using Heather's phone. Tells TM what happened and says he'll call her back when he gets to PTL.

3:36AM - A private residence video surveillance captures a vehicle coming from the direction of Sidney's headed towards the boat landing. This camera is 1.7 miles from the Moorer's residence.

3:38AM - Heather attempts to call Sidney's phone 4 times (3:39, 3:39:46 and 3:41) - SM arrives at PTL and calls TM to come and get him.

3:39AM - A business video surveillance a mile from the first camera closer to the landing captures this vehicle still proceeding in the direction of the boat landing.

3:41AM - Heather's phone data ends at that point (at PTL). - Battery is pulled from Heather's phone by SM.

 

[rob]

Thanks PT Fan. Which do you believe happened?

 

[NFYIAMY]

I think the theory having SM kill Heather fits in with TM's brazen way of posting on FB, like that pick of her with the gun. Now she is working to cover up their doings, stand by and take care of her man who proved how much he loves her by killing the girlfriend. She is all over herself- got her man to kill for her, got control completely over him now, rides up to pick him up from jail and jumps out and holds the door for him, got mom to make sure they post bond for him too (no way is she gonna let him go stay somewhere without her.) She thinks she is completely in the driver's seat controlling the situation and that's what someone gets when they try to mess with her and her family. I really don't think they will get off, and I would not want to be in jail with her; she will keep things stirred up, but she will be in there with personalities to match hers and worse, some who will mess with people especially when they realize that person has a problem with being in control and being messed with.

That might give some credence to her speaking up in court wanting SM to KNOW they offered that to her and she kept her mouth shut? Makes me wonder if there 'might' have been a little trouble in paradise (SM being willing to go to his parents to live and TM not liking that he would even consider that idea) - and so in court she saw an opportunity to let him know that (why she wouldn't have told him that before then would be beyond me though)? -----just another thought (can you tell that is still bugging me?! LOL)

 

[bestill]

Both possible, PTF - but I don't think TM would leave SM alone with Heather? She was too jealous.

 

[NFYIAMY]

BBM: How do the "several" phone calls from Heather's phone to the payphone (at 2:29 am) fit into this scenario? SM called HE from the payphone at 1:35 am. So, after the nearly 5 minute conversation, the 5 minute drive to her apartment, and her being subdued, who is calling the payphone and why?

With the 'new' time line scenario posted ^^up there -- the lag in him arriving at he apartment COULD have been they had a brief moment of cold feet to go through with their plan? They were arguing about it?

Also - Heather may have given SM the address during that payphone call - could be that simple as to know where she was living.

I also believe there may have been 'something else' (I think it's a very slim possibility) that could've spurred this into TM wanting Heather completely out of the picture - but that 'something else' has never been verified and not allowed to be discussed here..... so I'm not saying anything more than that!!

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Thanks PT Fan. Which do you believe happened?

The latter scenario. There has never been any real proof that Heather was always in control of her phone. Just fits better IMO in that I don't believe she was killed at PTL. That is just where her car was dumped.


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[PeterThomasFan]

Both possible, PTF - but I don't think TM would leave SM alone with Heather? She was too jealous.

It's possible too that she went into Heather's apartment or waited outside and then went to HWY 814 while SM drove her car to PTL.


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[bestill]

She may have very well had to pick up something from the home to help SM. I still wonder if Heather's not in the river, in a container that's weighted down. I guess the M's knew it was a matter of time before LE honed in on them.