EVIDENCE - Pro and Con

[Dixie E]

Here is a post from last March that you all may want to look through again.


"Another timeline update! Underlined words and phrases are links to sources:

Mar 8, 1972: TM was born

Jan 14, 1976: SM was born

Dec 1982: TM's first trip to Walt Disney World, said she had not missed a year since

1990: TM graduated from Socastee High School

Jun 29, 1993: Heather was born

1995: SM graduated from Lord Berkeley Academy in Moncks Corner, SC

1995-1998: TM waited tables at the Hard Rock Cafe in Myrtle Beach

1997: SM's first trip to Walt Disney World

Mar 7, 1998: SM and TM were married at Ocean View Baptist Church

Mar 1998: SM and TM honeymooned on a cruise and a trip to Walt Disney World

1999: TM and SM visited Walt Disney World with SM's family

Apr 20, 2008: On the Disboards, TM wrote that her parents were "very liberal" with her as a child and let her do whatever she wanted

Apr 23, 2008: TM wrote on the Disboards that she and SM owned their own companies, made a "#h%t(l@ad of money!" and lived in a huge house that she designed; she also wrote that she doesn't cook

Aug 20, 2008: On the Disboards, TM referred to herself as an "uptight paranoid private person"

Sep 12, 2009: SM was arrested for shoplifting a DVD

Sep 22, 2009: TM wrote on the Disboards that $300 was hard to come by at her house

Sep 28, 2009: SM was convicted of shoplifting and paid a $210 fine

Oct 2, 2009: TM wrote on the Disboards that she'd lost her "Disney magic" because their December WDW trip was off; someone who was supposed to buy tickets through her didn't so she didn't have money for the trip

Aug 6, 2010: TM wrote on the Disboards that she and her family went to Walt Disney World "once a year"

2011: Heather graduated from St James High School

Dec 12, 2011: SM, his father-in-law, and a neighbor were arrested after a physical altercation over a property line dispute

Oct 12, 2012: On the Disboards, TM wrote that half of her foot was missing due to a lawnmower accident when she was eight years old

Oct 21, 2012: In a post on the Disboards,TM called SM's mother "the evil queen" and mentioned using Florida resident and military discounts when booking their Disney trips

Oct 23, 2012: TM wrote on the Disboards that SM had a culinary arts degree from J&W, and that he specialized in lighting and design

Oct 23, 2012: TM wrote on the Disboards about her "rock'n'roll" past, the origin of her "photography thing," and her association with the One Tree Hill TV show

Oct 26, 2012: TM wrote on the disboards that she and SM built their own house from their own drawings

Nov 8, 2012: TM wrote on the Disboards that she and SM had cut her "monstrous in-laws" out of their lives and were having their best year since 1997

<Nov 17 2012: Heather began working at the Tilted Kilt

2013:

Feb 4: TM wrote on the Disboards that the Ms had just returned from another Disney cruise, booked at the last minute

Mar 24: Heather tweeted that she wanted to get a job as a Disney princess

Mar 25: Heather tweeted that she needed to be in Florida, couldn't stand the distance

Apr 22: Heather tweeted a picture of Mickey and Minnie rings and said she needed a man who needed them as much as she did

Apr 22: On the Disboards, TM posted a picture of Sidney holding a Mickey calendar, said he pouted when she wouldn't let him buy it

May 3: On the Disboards, TM complained about grown men in line with her during a Stars Wars weekend at Walt Disney World acting like they were "totally living out some weird fantasy"

Jun 27: Heather began working at the House of Blues

Jul 7: Heather tweeted about her attraction to "the guy who builds things at my job"

Jul 10: Heather tweeted that "Sydney will be there" so she had to make an appearance, later tweeting that she was in too deep but watch her get deeper

Jul 24: Heather tweeted "prego my eggo"; after a friend reacted to this, Heather responded, "you know I kidddddd &#9829;"

Jul 28: Heather posted that she was "In a Relationship" on her Facebook page

Aug 30-Sept 4: The M family visited Walt Disney World

Sep 3: Heather tweeted that there was nothing for her in Myrtle Beach and she needed to go somewhere new

Sep 5: Last post by TM (OneTreeHillAddict) found on the Disboards

Sep 21: Heather tweeted a quote from a book, The Daughter of Smoke and Bone: "Once upon a time, an angel and a devil fell in love. It did not end well."

Oct: The relationship between Heather and SM ended, per LE

Nov 1: TM texted threatening messages to Heather; Heather responded that she wasn't anyone TM needed to worry about anymore

Nov 5: TM texted a message to Heather that "dad" no longer owned a phone; Heather responded with only a period

Nov 5-Dec 18: Heather had no known contact with SM

Nov 5: Heather tweeted "66 days" on Twitter, and retweeted a Daniel Tosh quote about "married fellas" cheating on or murdering their wives

Nov 19: The M family left on a cross-country driving trip to Disneyland in California

Nov 29: Heather's last tweet on her public Twitter account

Dec 4/5: Heather moved into the apartment with BW

Dec 11: The M family returned home from their trip to California

Dec 13: Heather's last Facebook post

Dec 15: The last day Heather worked a shift at The Tilted Kilt

Dec 16: The last time TE saw Heather

Tuesday, Dec 17:

&#8226; Heather picked up mail from her parents' house

&#8226; 4:18pm: Heather made a purchase at the Kangaroo gas station on Mr Joe White Avenue

&#8226; 4:34pm: Heather made a purchase at McDonalds off International Drive

&#8226; 7:00pm: Date with SS, age 21, of Murrells Inlet; dinner at a Mexican restaurant, driving around looking at Christmas lights

&#8226; 10:43pm: Heather texted TE a pic of herself driving SS's truck at Inlet Square Mall

Wednesday, Dec 18:

&#8226; <1:35am: SS dropped Heather off at her apartment, said she didn't answer any calls during their date, she was in a good mood but tired, not crying or upset

&#8226; 1:35am: SM called Heather from a pay phone on 10th Avenue North; the call lasted 4.83 minutes

&#8226; 1:44am: From her apartment, Heather called her roommate BW, who was in Florida, and spoke for 2.2 minutes; was crying and upset after the call from SM because she was trying to get her life back together after her affair with him and harassment by TM

&#8226; 1:53-2:09am: Ten posts were made to Heather's Tumblr

&#8226; 2:29am: Heather tried to call SM back at the pay phone number several times, but no one answered

&#8226; 3:16am: Heather tried to call SM's cell phone, no answer

&#8226; 3:17am: Heather called SM's cell phone and spoke with someone for 4.15 minutes; Heather's and SM's phones were each at their own homes at this point

&#8226; ~3:21am: Heather drove from her apartment to Peachtree Landing

&#8226; 3:36am: A security camera at a private residence 1.7 miles from the M home recorded a distinctive late-model Ford F150 coming from that direction and heading toward Peachtree Landing

&#8226; 3:38-3:39am: Heather had arrived at Peachtree Landing and tried to call SM's cell phone four times, but there was no answer

&#8226; 3:39am: A security camera at a business 1.2 miles from Peachtree Landing recorded the Ford F150 heading toward the landing

&#8226; 3:41am: All data and GPS signals ended on Heather's phone

&#8226; 3:45am: The security camera at the same business location recorded the Ford F150 returning from the direction of Peachtree Landing

&#8226; 3:46am: The security camera at the same private residence recorded the Ford F150 returning from the direction of Peachtree Landing toward the M home

&#8226; In interviews with LE, the Ms admitted to having sexual relations in their vehicle in different areas of Myrtle Beach during the early hours of the morning Heather disappeared

&#8226; The Ms made a withdrawal of $5,000

Thursday, Dec 19:

&#8226; 5:47pm: Heather's locked car was found abandoned at Peachtree Landing; her purse and cell phone were not inside

&#8226; 7:00pm: TE repeatedly tried to call Heather, but her phone went directly to voice mail

&#8226; 8:39pm: The abandoned vehicle call officially became a missing persons case

&#8226; 11:10pm: TE filed a missing person report

&#8226; LE visited the M home and were allowed to check the house and camper, but found nothing

Friday, Dec 20:

&#8226; A search was conducted by LE on the Waccamaw River with a dive team, helicopters and boats

&#8226; 4:00pm Heather didn't show up for work at the Tilted Kilt

&#8226; SM told LE he hadn't seen Heather since October; after LE confronted him with Heather's phone record, he said he last spoke to her by phone on the 18th and told her to quit calling him

Dec 22-Jan 17: At least four harassment complaints were filed by members of the M household, TE was mentioned as a suspect in one complaint and as an "other entity" in two of the others

Dec 24: Cue Center asked boaters and fishermen to help search for Heather

Dec 29: CUE Center, helicopters, and volunteers conducted a search for Heather

Dec 31: TE posted a sorrowful message on Find Heather Elvis about Heather

2014:

Jan 3-5: Volunteers were asked to join in searches for Heather over the weekend

Jan 4: Volunteers set up a tip tent near the swing bridge on Dick Pond Road

Jan 8-12: Half Marathon Weekend at Walt Disney World

Jan 10: Volunteers set up a tip tent near Heather's apartment

Jan 11-12: Cue Center conducted a weekend search for Heather

Jan 11: SM participated in a half marathon at Walt Disney World

Jan 14: The redacted police report regarding Heather's disappearance was published by Horry County News

Jan 17: Article written by TE was published by xojane

Jan 17: TM posted on Facebook that her husband had had an affair with Heather, and complained that Heather's family members were harassing them

Jan 17: GS and two women were named in a harassment complaint filed by members of the M household due to postings on social media

Jan 19: Searchers near the Moorer home were threatened with assault and battery by members of TM's family

Jan 22: Heather's father confirmed that he had spoken with SS, the young man who took her out on a date the evening before she vanished

Jan 25: TM sent text messages saying Belize sounded good, and that she was packing her camper and running to Canada

Jan 28: SM texted his sister-in-law for advice on what to do "with her acting the way she is"; SIL responded that "she needs to get sober."

Jan 28: BB and GS were arrested and charged with obstructing justice resulting from misleading Facebook posts and searches and interviews without LE approval

Feb 2: SM texted to TM that he "made a horrible choice" in his affair with Heather, but thought he could change their future together for the better

Feb 4: TE reported to LE that two men in a black Jeep drove by his place of business and yelled at him, &#8220;Heather was first, [Heather's sister] is next&#8221;

Feb 6: The Horry County police chief said over a dozen search warrants had been executed since Dec 18, and several polygraphs had been administered

Feb 6: The M family reported to LE that someone in a light-colored truck fired two shots at their vehicle as they drove toward Georgetown on Ocean Highway

Feb 9: Heather's father participated in a BlogTalk Radio interview

Feb 11: When a WMBF reporter knocked on his door, SM refused to comment on the case

Feb 20: SM reported to LE that two men in a white truck pointed a shotgun at him in a parking lot on Kings Highway; he subsequently sought treatment at Grand Strand Hospital for undisclosed reasons

Feb 20: TM complained about harassment on her FB page, threatening to file charges "against everyone we possibly can"

Friday, Feb 21:

&#8226; 7:30am: LE executed search warrants at the Moorer home; SM and TM were arrested, each on charges of Obstruction of Justice and two counts of Indecent Exposure

&#8226; 8:50am: TM was booked into the J Reuben Long Detention Center

&#8226; 11:00am: SM was booked into the J Reuben Long Detention Center

Feb 22: Bond hearings were held and bonds were set at $20,000 each; TM posted bond but holds were placed on both pending additional charges

Feb 23: SM and TM were charged with kidnapping Heather

Feb 24: SM and TM were charged with Heather's murder

Feb 24: The Horry County police chief stated that the HCPD had been monitoring TM's and SM's social media pages and had coordinated with other LE agencies to monitor them when they traveled out of the area after Heather's disappearance

Feb 26: TM was reportedly moved to the Georgetown County Detention Center

Feb 27-28: LE staged a forensic reenactment and search at PTL and the Waccamaw River

Mar 6: The Berkeley Observer reported that, according to an unnamed source, SM had first met TM in a strip club and that his parents didn't approve of his "life style"

Mar 11: It was reported that during the Feb 21 raid on the Moorer home, LE found conditions in the house "unsanitary" and in "complete disarray nearly in an unlivable manner"

Mar 17: At a hearing, SM and TM were denied bond on kidnapping and murder charges related to Heather's disappearance"

 

[tabinmaine]

Stolen from above post....
• 11:10pm: TE filed a missing person report

• LE visited the M home and were allowed to check the house and camper, but found nothing

Ok, so the LE was at the Moorer home before the police even started searching for her ? They immediately went to the Moore home as soon as the Missing persons report was filed ? That does not seem right ?? I thought TE was not aware of HE involvement with SM . Police would not have had phone records THAT quickly, maybe in a day or so...

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

Guys, I keep hearing about the possibility that something happened to HE over at her apt, and then either she or her car or both were transported to PTL where perhaps one of the suspects met the other to give a ride to or to dispose of evidence.

Come on. Think this through. If for arguments sake, you had just hurt or killed HE at her apt. Would you then jump in her car and drive it over to PTL to abandon it? Several have surmised that TM drove the truck to pick up the body etc and so thats why there was no evidence in HE's car. Now, WHY...if you had just killed someone in their apt, and you had the black truck there to transport the body, would you then take a chance on driving a second vehicle to PTL only to park it there? That just doesn't add up.

I think because of the lack of evidence released...that we are all starting to make some far-fetched theories as to what may have happened. I'm not blaming or pointing fingers at anyone, it just seems like with nothing to talk about we imagine all sorts of scenarios that just don't make any sense.

I go back to what several have said...Occums Razor. The simplest theory is usually the correct one....

The simplest is that she decided to meet with SM at PTL because that was close to his home and he thought he could get away with it. TM discovered this, and either accompanied SM or went in his place. That would seem to be the simplest explanation, at least in my feeble mind anyway.

 

[tabinmaine]

Guys, I keep hearing about the possibility that something happened to HE over at her apt, and then either she or her car or both were transported to PTL where perhaps one of the suspects met the other to give a ride to or to dispose of evidence.

Come on. Think this through. If for arguments sake, you had just hurt or killed HE at her apt. Would you then jump in her car and drive it over to PTL to abandon it? Several have surmised that TM drove the truck to pick up the body etc and so thats why there was no evidence in HE's car. Now, WHY...if you had just killed someone in their apt, and you had the black truck there to transport the body, would you then take a chance on driving a second vehicle to PTL only to park it there? That just doesn't add up.

I think because of the lack of evidence released...that we are all starting to make some far-fetched theories as to what may have happened. I'm not blaming or pointing fingers at anyone, it just seems like with nothing to talk about we imagine all sorts of scenarios that just don't make any sense.

I go back to what several have said...Occums Razor. The simplest theory is usually the correct one....

The simplest is that she decided to meet with SM at PTL because that was close to his home and he thought he could get away with it. TM discovered this, and either accompanied SM or went in his place. That would seem to be the simplest explanation, at least in my feeble mind anyway.

But is it really the simplest of scenarios when she was alone in her apt , her room mate away and she could of had him over ? Does THAT not make more sense then going out at 3am to PTL , that's something people do to meet up and park when they have no where else to be alone... she HAD somewhere to be alone with him, a perfect place, her place.....

 

[Madeleine74]

Guys, I keep hearing about the possibility that something happened to HE over at her apt, and then either she or her car or both were transported to PTL where perhaps one of the suspects met the other to give a ride to or to dispose of evidence.

Come on. Think this through. If for arguments sake, you had just hurt or killed HE at her apt. Would you then jump in her car and drive it over to PTL to abandon it? Several have surmised that TM drove the truck to pick up the body etc and so thats why there was no evidence in HE's car. Now, WHY...if you had just killed someone in their apt, and you had the black truck there to transport the body, would you then take a chance on driving a second vehicle to PTL only to park it there? That just doesn't add up.

I think because of the lack of evidence released...that we are all starting to make some far-fetched theories as to what may have happened. I'm not blaming or pointing fingers at anyone, it just seems like with nothing to talk about we imagine all sorts of scenarios that just don't make any sense.

I go back to what several have said...Occums Razor. The simplest theory is usually the correct one....

The simplest is that she decided to meet with SM at PTL because that was close to his home and he thought he could get away with it. TM discovered this, and either accompanied SM or went in his place. That would seem to be the simplest explanation, at least in my feeble mind anyway.

Agree 100%.

 

[tabinmaine]

Unless...... he asked her to come and pick him up at PTL , that he was leaving once TM was asleep and would run/walk to that spot. That she should meet him there.

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

I'm thinking like a weasel right now. If he were trying to get out of his house...perhaps waiting for TM to fall asleep, or sneaking out while she was in the other room or whatever...then a quick, short trip to PTL to do whatever two adults might do on a dead end street at 3am, or even just a hug since it had been a long time since they'd seen each other. I don't know.

To me, that makes perfect sense and is the simplest theory. Of course, if there is no significant other to worry about, then yes...it would be stupid to meet at PTL when there is a perfectly good apt that is empty to meet at. But with a significant other at home, the drive from the Moorers over to HE apt is at least 20 minutes or so one way. Much easier to drive 3 minutes down to PTL(at least for him anyway).

Edited to keep Mother of 5 from disliking the terminology i posted...

 

[Motherof5]

This is good. Two things stand out to me, SM uses run on sentences when he texts or types and no punctuation, so state could use this to show the message styles, pretty much tells which were from TM and which were from SM. Another point, obviously TM's sister knows a lot, hope she tells the truth under oath.

I believe she does and I believe that she will lie...lie again and then lie some more. The C's,in their own sick minds,are above the law. It's not about the truth for them. It's all about protecting their own....by any means.

 

[Motherof5]

I'm thinking like a weasel right now. If he were trying to get out of his house...perhaps waiting for TM to fall asleep, or sneaking out while she was in the other room or whatever...then a quick, short trip to PTL to get his rocks off or to even just hug her or whatever....

To me, that makes perfect sense and is the simplest theory. Of course, if there is no significant other to worry about, then yes...it would be stupid to meet at PTL when there is a perfectly good apt that is empty to meet at. But with a significant other at home, the drive from the Moorers over to HE apt is at least 20 minutes or so one way. Much easier to drive 3 minutes down to PTL(at least for him anyway).

SM called Heather from the payphone. TM told LE that she was with SM all night. That isn't SM sneaking around behind TM's back to call Heather and set up a meeting. That's SM and TM sneaking around to lure Heather to her death. JMO

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

SM called Heather from the payphone. TM told LE that she was with SM all night. That isn't SM sneaking around behind TM's back to call Heather and set up a meeting. That's SM and TM sneaking around to lure Heather to her death. JMO

Yes, but you are basing that on believing TM when she told the police that she was with him all night. OF COURSE she would say that.

 

[Motherof5]

Yes, but you are basing that on believing TM when she told the police that she was with him all night. OF COURSE she would say that.

Nothing...not one thing about TM tells me that SM could sneak away from her after he was already caught cheating. This was planned.

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

Nothing...not one thing about TM tells me that SM could sneak away from her after he was already caught cheating. This was planned.

I do agree with this, with one exception. I figured he was probably out working at a restaurant that night and that's why he called her from a payphone. That was very close to Broadway at the beach where he did work at. My thoughts were that he did that hoping to see HE. Then when she called back later to perhaps tell her that she would agree to meet him..and she called his cell phone(after the pay phone didn't work to get hold of him) that THATS when TM discovered it. It could have probably been planned by then, or it could also have been that he snuck out and got caught. Not sure...just trying to keep it simple with the facts we know.

 

[jillycat]

Guys, I keep hearing about the possibility that something happened to HE over at her apt, and then either she or her car or both were transported to PTL where perhaps one of the suspects met the other to give a ride to or to dispose of evidence.

Come on. Think this through. If for arguments sake, you had just hurt or killed HE at her apt. Would you then jump in her car and drive it over to PTL to abandon it? Several have surmised that TM drove the truck to pick up the body etc and so thats why there was no evidence in HE's car. Now, WHY...if you had just killed someone in their apt, and you had the black truck there to transport the body, would you then take a chance on driving a second vehicle to PTL only to park it there? That just doesn't add up.

I think because of the lack of evidence released...that we are all starting to make some far-fetched theories as to what may have happened. I'm not blaming or pointing fingers at anyone, it just seems like with nothing to talk about we imagine all sorts of scenarios that just don't make any sense.

I go back to what several have said...Occums Razor. The simplest theory is usually the correct one....

The simplest is that she decided to meet with SM at PTL because that was close to his home and he thought he could get away with it. TM discovered this, and either accompanied SM or went in his place. That would seem to be the simplest explanation, at least in my feeble mind anyway.

I doubt that this is a case of either murdered at PTL in approximately 2 minutes after lots of calls, mostly by a frantic Heather, or, an elaborate home killing with lots of cars and driving.

Regarding the bolded text above - I definitely don't think it's reasonable that HE decided to meet with SM at PTL because it was close to his home and he thought he could get away with it (??).

Nor can I swallow that SM had a plan to kill Heather at PTL in 2 minutes, then TM either belatedly jumped aboard the murder plan, or, took his place at the last minute and pulled it off.

I think it's more of a case of they had a plan, it began with a pay phone call, a series of phone activities followed, a truck and a car went to PTL, and Heather is gone. That's essentially what we know.

The simplest theory to me is that any number of scenarios are possible beginning at around 2:29 a.m. The rest is speculative no matter who's doing the speculating. JMO

 

[Madeleine74]

We may never know exactly what happened after PTL other than one or both of the M's met up with Heather that early morning at some point around 3:30am and there is (allegedly) evidence of some kind that the state thinks will show 1. Heather was murdered and 2. The M's did it. I say this knowing it's difficult to fill in all the holes in a case, but that doesn't mean a conviction can't occur anyway.

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

Jillycat...that sounds very reasonable. I do think it's possible/likely though that HE would/could meet with SM closer to his home since she wasn't "attached" or didn't have a significant other like SM did. But who knows? Just so many unanswered questions for sure.

 

[magnolia]

I'm thinking like a weasel right now. If he were trying to get out of his house...perhaps waiting for TM to fall asleep, or sneaking out while she was in the other room or whatever...then a quick, short trip to PTL to get his rocks off or to even just hug her or whatever....

To me, that makes perfect sense and is the simplest theory. Of course, if there is no significant other to worry about, then yes...it would be stupid to meet at PTL when there is a perfectly good apt that is empty to meet at. But with a significant other at home, the drive from the Moorers over to HE apt is at least 20 minutes or so one way. Much easier to drive 3 minutes down to PTL(at least for him anyway).

Thank-you meinmyrtlebeach. That is exactly my thoughts on it. Some keep insisting Heather was alone in the apartment. Therefore, there was nothing to prevent Sidney from coming there. Telling Heather "I'm leaving my wife" doesn't mean he was rid of Tammy at that very moment. It's obvious to me, Sidney had to wait until TM was out of the way. My guess is he was waiting until she was tucked in fast asleep. This is what makes the most sense to me.

 

[jillycat]

Jillycat...that sounds very reasonable. I do think it's possible/likely though that HE would/could meet with SM closer to his home since she wasn't "attached" or didn't have a significant other like SM did. But who knows? Just so many unanswered questions for sure.

I can agree that one of the possibilities is that HE drove to PTL. But if that's true, I don't know what would have motivated her. If TM was that angry about the previous affair, I can't imagine that it would make sense to HE to call SM's phone at that hour, after he presumably had no access to it earlier, then meet him that close to his home. I personally believe there is meaningful information between 2:09 a.m. and the time when HE's phone indicated it was moving toward PTL, then arrived there. It may well have been her using the phone and driving the car. Or, it could have been another scenario. But I do believe that after 2:09, when her social media posts ended, something we can't see into began to evolve. It might simply have been her state of mind, which led to activities and decisions only HE knew about. Or it could be that physical contact with the M's or SM began at or closer to her condo. It's even possible that a third party and another vehicle could have been involved at some point.

I'm not sure we'll ever know what happened and where, or even when. And while I think LE has more information than we do, I don't think it will provide the details that tell the story of PTL, the murder, or where Heather now is. The phone log appears to be the central piece of circumstantial evidence that allowed LE to pursue the remainder of its circumstantial case. But even then, other than when SM called HE and HE called BW, all the log tells us is that phones were contacting other phones and Heather's car ended up at a boat landing.

 

[jillycat]

Thank-you meinmyrtlebeach. That is exactly my thoughts on it. Some keep insisting Heather was alone in the apartment. Therefore, there was nothing to prevent Sidney from coming there. Telling Heather "I'm leaving my wife" doesn't mean he was rid of Tammy at that very moment. It's obvious to me, Sidney had to wait until TM was out of the way. My guess is he was waiting until she was tucked in fast asleep. This is what makes the most sense to me.

I thought she was chaining him and taking his phone?

 

[magnolia]

I thought she was chaining him and taking his phone?

Sorry jillycat, I'm not following you on that. What does that have to do with my post.

 

[jillycat]

Sorry jillycat, I'm not following you on that. What does that have to do with my post.

How does someone use his phone if his wife has possession of it and leave the house if he's chained?