EVIDENCE - Pro and Con

[Dixie E]

I keep thinking that maybe the murder occurred elsewhere, but, then I keep reading the police report.

"Those documents state that "on or about Dec. 18" in the Peachtree Boat Landing area outside Myrtle Beach, the Moorers "did unlawfully seize, confine, kidnap, abduct or carry away Heather Elvis," and "did unlawfully, without just or sufficient cause, murder Heather Elvis with malice aforethought."

 

[Motherof5]

I thought she was chaining him and taking his phone?

Exactly. This was a team effort. SM didn't have to sneak off or wait for TM to go to sleep because he helped her from start to finish.


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[Madeleine74]

I believe it was TM who engineered the killing of Heather. On his own I don't see why SM would want HE dead without provocation. TM was the one who was obsessed with HE, she was the primary person who was blowing up her phone, wanted to meet her in person and other threats. SM's motive without TM pushing this agenda? None that I can see. Heather had been moving on, leaving him alone (as far as we know right now). His past interactions with her seemed to be of the romantic variety and then TM got wind of the affair and all hell broke loose.

 

[magnolia]

How does someone use his phone if his wife has possession of it and leave the house if he's chained?

I guess one has to believe this before they can consider it. I don't happen to believe it.

 

[jillycat]

Exactly. This was a team effort. SM didn't have to sneak off or wait for TM to go to sleep because he helped her from start to finish.


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And so I don't necessarily think he pretended he did have to await her falling asleep.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Here is a post from last March that you all may want to look through again.

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Wednesday, Dec 18:

• 3:17am: Heather called SM's cell phone and spoke with someone for 4.15 minutes; Heather's and SM's phones were each at their own homes at this point

• ~3:21am: Heather drove from her apartment to Peachtree Landing

• 3:38-3:39am: Heather had arrived at Peachtree Landing and tried to call SM's cell phone four times, but there was no answer

• The Ms made a withdrawal of $5,000

Thursday, Dec 19:

• 8:39pm: The abandoned vehicle call officially became a missing persons case

• 11:10pm: TE filed a missing person report

BBM - Some inconsistencies IMO

3:17am:
-How do we know Heather called SM's cell phone at 3:17am? We don't for sure.
-How do we know SM's phone was at his home? We don't!

~3:21am:
Where is the supporting evidence that Heather drove herself to PTL?

3:38-3:39am:
Again, what evidence is there to support this?

Regarding cash withdrawal, this was admittedly a mistake from second bond hearing on 1/30/15.

He said previous claims of finding Elvis’ DNA in Sidney’s truck and a large cash withdrawal the day after her disappearance were false.


Assistant solicitor Nancy Livesay admitted that there was no evidence of the cash transaction...

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_9904df94-a8a5-11e4-96b6-f738aac44e76.html

Regarding initial discovery of Heather's car, if it immediately became a missing persons case, then why the #%&K wasn't the entire area cordoned off and treated like a crime scene? I'm sick of stating this! No excuses or 20/20 retrospect. This is LE's first and biggest mistake IMO.

I drove to PTL a week after Heather went missing and found crap scattered all over the place! The landing should have been picked through with a fine toothed comb IMO!

 

[Madeleine74]

The state has logs from the cell phone providers of tower pings (and possibly GPS locations as well), so the state has reports that tell them where a phone was (generally speaking) at a specific time. They probably got one for each of the phones (HE, TM, SM). They stated SM's phone was at the M's house at 3:17am. We don't know if SM was also at his own house with his phone.

They state HE's phone was at her apt (and they allege the phone was with her at the time). We don't know why they believe HE was at her own apt with her phone, but they've stated this is what they do believe. Perhaps they have additional information showing Heather was doing something on her own phone to corroborate this (again, we don't have any further info).

 

[Happyshoes]

Just my two cents while I'm catching up - I think Heather did drive to PTL to meet SM and talk things out (was he really going to leave TM, when, and where would he live, what should she do if TM came after her - maybe). But I think TM put SM up to saying that so Heather would come there for sure. I believe they took her at gunpoint to their house or somewhere in the woods, because TM wanted to show her superiority and yell, cuss and intimidate Heather. She brought her (or SM's) gun with her to prove a point, got carried away and shot her. TM wanted to meet Heather face to face and tell her a few things. Does this even seem feasible? When I read what LE said, I come away with HE was "abducted" from PTL. ps..be kind, I've been sick with strep throat, so painful.

 

[Madeleine74]

Regarding initial discovery of Heather's car, if it immediately became a missing persons case, then why the #%&K wasn't the entire area cordoned off and treated like a crime scene? I'm sick of stating this! No excuses or 20/20 retrospect. This is LE's first and biggest mistake IMO.

I drove to PTL a week after Heather went missing and found crap scattered all over the place! The landing should have been picked through with a fine toothed comb IMO!

Just curious if you ever asked this question of the police captain for your area? The public is allowed to ask questions, even difficult questions. I asked a few questions myself in a case I followed in my area when I had an opportunity to do so (I asked the lead detective and later the Chief of Police).

 

[Dixie E]

I totally agree with Happyshoes. It all went down at PTL. I do believe that perhaps she was shot there and they have proof of a bullet or something. TM probably went crazy and just did it.

 

[fran]

:stop:With the arguing and baiting. Remember, agree to disagree and move on.

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[Motherof5]

This is what you said above:

"Telling Heather "I'm leaving my wife" doesn't mean he was rid of Tammy at that very moment. It's obvious to me, Sidney had to wait until TM was out of the way. My guess is he was waiting until she was tucked in fast asleep. This is what makes the most sense to me."

I'm sorry, did you mean that you guess that he was waiting for her to be out of the way/asleep, or did you mean that you guess he was claiming to be waiting for her to be out of the way/asleep? When I read your post, it does not read as if you meant the latter.

That quote is not mine. It's from Magnolia.

 

[Motherof5]

BBM - Some inconsistencies IMO

3:17am:
-How do we know Heather called SM's cell phone at 3:17am? We don't for sure.
-How do we know SM's phone was at his home? We don't!

~3:21am:
Where is the supporting evidence that Heather drove herself to PTL?

3:38-3:39am:
Again, what evidence is there to support this?

Regarding cash withdrawal, this was admittedly a mistake from second bond hearing on 1/30/15.



Regarding initial discovery of Heather's car, if it immediately became a missing persons case, then why the #%&K wasn't the entire area cordoned off and treated like a crime scene? I'm sick of stating this! No excuses or 20/20 retrospect. This is LE's first and biggest mistake IMO.

I drove to PTL a week after Heather went missing and found crap scattered all over the place! The landing should have been picked through with a fine toothed comb IMO!

:yeahthat:

 

[jillycat]

I guess one has to believe this before they can consider it. I don't happen to believe it.

I guess. But I said long ago I think this is a load.

And it's made no sense to me that we have stories, as told by LE in the media, about chains and sex in cars, all according to a lying murderer. ?

So my point is, we don't know what he said that morning. We don't know what she said in response. We don't know where TM was or how many strings and levers she was pulling. And, it seems to me that it doesn't quite add up that Heather had to call a pay phone back several times that no one was going to answer, then a cell phone twice, to grasp the story she's speculated to have been fed.

 

[jillycat]

That quote is not mine. It's from Magnolia.

Yes, it is. Apologies. My question to her was addressed by you, and I didn't notice the username.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Guys, I keep hearing about the possibility that something happened to HE over at her apt, and then either she or her car or both were transported to PTL where perhaps one of the suspects met the other to give a ride to or to dispose of evidence.

Come on. Think this through. If for arguments sake, you had just hurt or killed HE at her apt. Would you then jump in her car and drive it over to PTL to abandon it? Several have surmised that TM drove the truck to pick up the body etc and so thats why there was no evidence in HE's car. Now, WHY...if you had just killed someone in their apt, and you had the black truck there to transport the body, would you then take a chance on driving a second vehicle to PTL only to park it there? That just doesn't add up.

I think because of the lack of evidence released...that we are all starting to make some far-fetched theories as to what may have happened. I'm not blaming or pointing fingers at anyone, it just seems like with nothing to talk about we imagine all sorts of scenarios that just don't make any sense.

I go back to what several have said...Occums Razor. The simplest theory is usually the correct one....

The simplest is that she decided to meet with SM at PTL because that was close to his home and he thought he could get away with it. TM discovered this, and either accompanied SM or went in his place. That would seem to be the simplest explanation, at least in my feeble mind anyway.

SM called Heather from a pay phone that was just a 6 minute drive from her apartment! Out of sheer convenience for both parties, why drive to a location 10 miles away?

It was stated by Heather's date that she was tired when he dropped her off. So, why would she head out again? And, drive 20 minutes one-way?

To me, Occums Razor starts with the "lure" phone call close to Heather's apartment. Otherwise, why not call from a pay phone near PTL? The evidence of the times of phone calls fit with the movements of the M's and HE IMO.

I do not have a solid theory yet on how Heather was killed or where her body is located exactly but, with what we know, I am more convinced that it started closer to Heather's apartment than PTL. Then (at some point), her body was dumped someplace that no one would find her. I personally am not making up any far-fetched theories. At least I don't think I am. I am actually trying to make more sense from what we do know. If they don't make sense to you then respectively, scroll on. :blah:

So, the simplest theory for me would be call > kill > dump. Not call > meet > kill > dump.

 

[Motherof5]

Yes, it is. Apologies. My question to her was addressed by you, and I didn't notice the username.

No worries and I was agreeing with you.

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

SM called Heather from a pay phone that was just a 6 minute drive from her apartment! Out of sheer convenience for both parties, why drive to a location 10 miles away?

It was stated by Heather's date that she was tired when he dropped her off. So, why would she head out again? And, drive 20 minutes one-way?

To me, Occums Razor starts with the "lure" phone call close to Heather's apartment. Otherwise, why not call from a pay phone near PTL? The evidence of the times of phone calls fit with the movements of the M's and HE IMO.

I do not have a solid theory yet on how Heather was killed or where her body is located exactly but, with what we know, I am more convinced that it started closer to Heather's apartment than PTL. Then (at some point), her body was dumped someplace that no one would find her. I personally am not making up any far-fetched theories. At least I don't think I am. I am actually trying to make more sense from what we do know. If they don't make sense to you then respectively, scroll on. :blah:

So, the simplest theory for me would be call > kill > dump. Not call > meet > kill > dump.

Peterthomasfan, I don't think anyone could ever accuse you of coming up with far fetched plans. What you say makes alot of sense to me most of the time.

Of course, I can't account for everything, but when it comes to the phone call i simply think that perhaps he was out working nearby to the 10th ave payphone, decided to call her to see if they could meet again. To follow my theory though, I think you'd have to believe it wasn't pre-meditated...at least not YET anyway. I do think at some point TM and SM planned this, but i tend to just think it was planned once TM intercepted those phone calls to SM's phone once HE couldn't reach him on the pay phone. My theory doesn't even come close to explaining why HE would call a payphone back though, so i'm lost when it comes to that part.

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

I'd be curious as to everyone's thought as to whether this was preplanned perhaps days or weeks in advance? Or if it was something that was planned that night as it or just before it unfolded? Maybe there is a Poll question for this that I don't know about?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Just curious if you ever asked this question of the police captain for your area? The public is allowed to ask questions, even difficult questions. I asked a few questions myself in a case I followed in my area when I had an opportunity to do so (I asked the lead detective and later the Chief of Police).

I actually have been in contact FWIW.