Evidence That is Incompatible With an Accident Theory

[trixi491]

Also the 1st phone call from prison..when KC groans and says what a waste it was calling when her friend starts crying about Caylee. Not to mention when she complains that all her parents care about is finding Caylee.

 

[LisaNY]

NJ Lawyer - would KC's taped interview with le be admissible as evidence? I do believe they asked her if perhaps there was an accident and KC stated she was staying with her Nanny took her story. (paraphrased) Would that be enough - KC's own words stating that there was not an accident?

 

[NJ Lawyer]

NJ Lawyer - would KC's taped interview with le be admissible as evidence? I do believe they asked her if perhaps there was an accident and KC stated she was staying with her Nanny took her story. (paraphrased) Would that be enough - KC's own words stating that there was not an accident?

I don't see why the tape wouldn't be admissible.

On another note...I'm really glad I started this thread. The replies have all contained great points and at some point (after the next document dump) I will make a list of all the evidence/actions that point against an "accident" theory (as opposed to evidence like the heart stickers and laundry bags and such that merely connect Casey to a dead Caylee). Oh and - "one_hooah_wife" - great point about the "evidence" that the defense won't in fact use an accident defense (why would they be interested in the forensics?) To be honest, I was relieved to read your reasoning in there b/c I really do not want to see an accident defense after all this (they wouldn't even admit it was Caylee's dead body in the trunk...it was another dead body!) Thanks again for everyone's input. As more doc dumps happen, let's keep adding to the list of "no accident" type evidence.

 

[panthera]

The problem I have with this theory is the duct tape was not just stuck on to the mouth ie: to prevent fluids from leaking- it was wrapped, it was stuck to the sides of her hair, the hair had to be cut away from it.

I go along with Dr. Perper's firm theory: the placement of duct tape on the child shows the child was assaulted. It shows the murder was intentional.

I totally agree with Dr. Perper also. MOO

 

[panthera]

You make some very good points!

I also cannot believe after such a horrible, tragic accident she would be able to cooly stroll through Blockbuster picking out murder flicks with her lover, then go cuddle up at his place to watch.

Probably got her groove on, too....not a care in the world as her baby lay dead in her trunk. :furious::sick: jmo

And this is probably the same day as she killed Caylee! What normal person after just killing someone accidentally would behave as if everything were just fine and in fact be partying? What normal person would get a "beautiful life" tattoo after accidentally killing their own child? What normal person would download morbid images of skulls and death to their photobucket within days of accidentally killing their own child? :furious: And the list goes on...

MOO

 

[tasylshari]

Ahem: "An unwitting overdose of sedatives."

I think that I just heard Jose say, "Doh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" all the way to Saskatchewan.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::bang::blushing::banghead::crazy::nuts::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha on the Defense Dream Team for that little ditty.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Jolynna]

Caylee's death was clearly an accident.

CMA was teaching Caylee how to mix homemade chloroform when a gust of wind accidentally tore a piece of duct tape off the roll that was sitting there and blew it over to Caylee where it accidentally wrapped itself tightly around her mouth & hair, causing her to accidentally fall into the trunk where another strong wind gust accidentally blew a heart sticker onto the duct tape directly over her mouth. Caylee wanted to finish making the chloroform so CMA put the fresh batch in the trunk with her but then Caylee accidentally crawled into not one but two black garbage bags and then a third white bag before CMA realized she couldn't get her out of the trunk with all of those bags on her. As CMA was driving to G & C's she accidentally made a wrong turn onto Suburban and then accidentally left Caylee in the woods under the thick entangled plant-life. CMA was in a hurry to go rent movies with her boyfriend so she accidentally forgot to tell anyone or call 911.

LOL at your good defense. It makes perfect sense. Especially the last line.

Seriously the video hurts Casey. She wasn't wild-eyed or breathing hard in Block-buster. She wasn't catatonic. She was smiling,chatting and arm-in-arm with Tony.

I've seen people act more shaken up by surprise company than Casey was by the death of her child.

Caylee was triple-bagged and dumped along the side of a road littered with trash and garbage. She had been gagged with duct tape.

Casey told George at 1 p.m. Caylee wouldn't be coming home.

We haven't even heard what Tony has to say about his conversations with Casey June 15-16. We haven't read Casey's and Cindy's texts back and forth either. We know those are out there.

IMO, Tony's testimony is going to do Casey in.

JMO

 

[suspicious1]

The computer searches, the chloroform found in the car, the duct tape placed across Caylee's face, and in her hair. The heart sticker. The Winnie the Pooh blanket.

The timing, Caylee didn't go missing in winter or spring, she went missing just before the rainy season.

The continual lies to Cindy about seeing Caylee "tomorrow". The lies to everyone else that Caylee was having big fun with Zani the Nanny. The lies to LE. The wild goose chases with LE.

KC's behavior in the days and weeks following Caylee's death. If KC had disappeared, just taken off and hid out some place, I might have been able to believe it was an accident and KC had gone into some kind of shock. The parties, the emails, the lies (again) all point to acknowledging something bad had happened but KC was ready to play it out as knowing nothing or knowing Caylee was missing with someone she knew.

The dumping of Caylee pictures from KC's accts.

The IM to Jesse saying I have something to tell you, sometime when I'm drunk I'll call you and tell you.

The refusal to work with LE.

KC's behavior when LP did the search at the park vs LE telling her a body was found down the street from her parents house.

The way KC reacts to any questions from her family.

Telling her parents Caylee would be home for her Birthday. Such cruelty in the things she said and the way she talks to them.

If the notebook/diary entry is from June 2008, she might as well have signed a confession.

The entries KC made to her MySpace/FaceBook accts following Caylee disappearing.

KC telling Lee she is a spiteful b*tch.

You got it!:dance:

 

[Short_Stuff]

Nothing irks me more than when people call in on the shows and say well eh I think it was an accident.
Drugging your child to party and then ooops they die is not an accident.
Everyone on the face of this earth knows you dont drug a 2 year old!
Add in the net searches and duct tape, not reporting your child missing, etc etc etc and you have even more of a NO accident.

 

[ecs5298]

Caylee's death was clearly an accident.

CMA was teaching Caylee how to mix homemade chloroform when a gust of wind accidentally tore a piece of duct tape off the roll that was sitting there and blew it over to Caylee where it accidentally wrapped itself tightly around her mouth & hair, causing her to accidentally fall into the trunk where another strong wind gust accidentally blew a heart sticker onto the duct tape directly over her mouth. Caylee wanted to finish making the chloroform so CMA put the fresh batch in the trunk with her but then Caylee accidentally crawled into not one but two black garbage bags and then a third white bag before CMA realized she couldn't get her out of the trunk with all of those bags on her. As CMA was driving to G & C's she accidentally made a wrong turn onto Suburban and then accidentally left Caylee in the woods under the thick entangled plant-life. CMA was in a hurry to go rent movies with her boyfriend so she accidentally forgot to tell anyone or call 911.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

This is a more plausible accident story than the defense could ever come up with.

 

[Jolynna]

Nothing irks me more than when people call in on the shows and say well eh I think it was an accident.
Drugging your child to party and then ooops they die is not an accident.
Everyone on the face of this earth knows you dont drug a 2 year old!
Add in the net searches and duct tape, not reporting your child missing, etc etc etc and you have even more of a NO accident.

Agreed.

Caylee conveniently died after Casey had a huge fight with her mother and told people she had to move out. The place where Casey wanted to live didn't welcome children staying overnight.

What timing.

 

[panthera]

Nothing irks me more than when people call in on the shows and say well eh I think it was an accident.
Drugging your child to party and then ooops they die is not an accident.
Everyone on the face of this earth knows you dont drug a 2 year old!
Add in the net searches and duct tape, not reporting your child missing, etc etc etc and you have even more of a NO accident.

So true, even if that was all that caused her death. I personally believe it was more of an assault, such as strangulation or suffocation. Casey didn't want the "snotty brat" hampering her lifestyle any longer, and as long as Caylee was alive, she couldn't spend the night with TL (unless CA babysat) or party with her single, childless friends. MOO

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Oh my. Answering this thread could be helping the defense. Ya know?

 

[evergreen]

this is going to be a difficult case to get M1. I have a really bad feeling about this case. Like OJ all over again....

 

[LisaNY]

Oh my. Answering this thread could be helping the defense. Ya know?

If this is helping the defense, then they have even more problems that what is apparent. I am no legal eagle, but this thread is asking what would prove that the murder of Caylee COULD NOT have been an accident. Please explain how this thread could help the defense?

 

[trixi491]

this is going to be a difficult case to get M1. I have a really bad feeling about this case. Like OJ all over again....

I just keep comparing it to Scott Peterson who as well all know was charged. Many similarities in the cases and I see it panning out the same way as well. Both showed cold blooded behavior and the jury will see that.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

If this is helping the defense, then they have even more problems that what is apparent. I am no legal eagle, but this thread is asking what would prove that the murder of Caylee COULD NOT have been an accident. Please explain how this thread could help the defense?

It's like this. There is no way that anyone can disprove that it was an accident, unless the autopsy has more info that we are not aware. Thus far what has been presented is quite honestly, circumstantial. Overwhelming and compelling as it is... and I believe it was premeditated by Casey...however, the defense (for now) is going with "she is innocent." If we were in a jury pool and there is any doubt whatsoever between an accident/coverup.....or premeditation....one is going to have to give compelling reasons for each view. Just knowing a lawyer started the thread and wants to know the general publics interest, for either side, (accident or premeditated) makes me a little nervous. The defense can view all of the answers and come up with their reasonings to prepare for their case.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

If this is helping the defense, then they have even more problems that what is apparent. I am no legal eagle, but this thread is asking what would prove that the murder of Caylee COULD NOT have been an accident. Please explain how this thread could help the defense?

Here's an example. If I were to respond to the thread and say "Looking up missing children on a computer, broken necks and chloroform shows guilt"....then the defense is going to prepare for those presentations in court. They can say "missing children" was researched due to Casey hearing about the little boy Trunkett that is missing in Florida. She was looking up "broken necks" because her own neck was sore and she wondered if she may have broken it...and she looked up chloroform because she saw it on Ricardo's myspace and wasn't familiar with what chloroform was. See what I mean? Whatever answers are given....gives the defense opportunities to prepare their case...primarily in rebuttals, of course....but also in their arguments to throw off the jury.

You know the routine "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you are about to hear how my client, Casey Anthony, searched Chloroform on her home computer, but what you are not going to hear is that Casey searched chloroform as her boyfriend had a myspace graphic that made Casey curious and a little unnerved and what you are not going to hear by the prosecution is that she wanted to learn as much as possible as she feared it was possible that he may have used chloroform on her."....blah blah blah...see what I mean?

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

For the record, I just did what I didn't want to do. Give compelling reasons to the defense.

 

[trixi491]

I might be off but didn't all of these searches occur around the same time? Doing searches for household weapons, neck breaking, missing children, and chloroform around the same day isn't really a coincidence IMO. Also, does anyone know when RM posted that chloroform picture? If it was after KC's search we can definitely rule that one possible defense explination out.